Have the Referendum Commission compromised it's integrity and impartial position?

ger12

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Is there evidence that RefCom has acted in an untoward, imbalanced, partial and prejudicial manner by so doing ger12? If so, as ted08 posted - present that evidence.
Yes there is by them taking over this account for the week of the Referendum.
 


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They should not in anyway have their name beside any YES or NO messages, the fact that their name is beside a YES message shows a lack of impartiality, even if they didn't originally retweet it, their name is showing that they have retweeted it.
Haha! Someone let the cat out of the bag? A Freudian slip? It does look bad, but it's probably down to a cretinous Mandarin not giving due consideration to how it might be perceived, rather than an innate bias.

At least it's keeping in character with the government's sale pitch!
 

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It's one thing retweeting their tweets, it's another thing entirely to take over as curator of this account. An account that has spent the last week campaigning.

It is biased and does not lend to impartiality.
The 'account' doesn't campaign. The account is used by users for a week at a time who post their own views.

For the past week it has been someone pro-choice. It has previously been someone pro-life.

That is the nature of the @ireland twitter handle. The Referendum Commission have no responsibility for last week's tweets or last months tweets or last year's tweets. They have made this absolutely clear.
 

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The account has had pro-life and pro-choice users.
It has mostly facilitated one side of the debate.

Now when you go into this Twitter account you see all.of last week's campainger for repeal tweets with the ref com logo.

The Referendum Commission has it's own unbiased Twitter handle, literature, website.

It has moved outside of this impartiality.
 

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The 'account' doesn't campaign. The account is used by users for a week at a time who post their own views.

For the past week it has been someone pro-choice. It has previously been someone pro-life.

That is the nature of the @ireland twitter handle. The Referendum Commission have no responsibility for last week's tweets or last months tweets or last year's tweets. They have made this absolutely clear.
They're breaching their statutory obligation to provide clear unbiased information by taking over this account.
 

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They're breaching their statutory obligation to provide clear unbiased information by taking over this account.
No they're not.

The information they provide over the next week on the twitter handle will determine if that is the case or not. They are no more responsible for the past content of the twitter handle than they would be for the past content of a newspaper they wrote an impartial article for.
 

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It has mostly facilitated one side of the debate.

Now when you go into this Twitter account you see all.of last week's campainger for repeal tweets with the ref com logo.

The Referendum Commission has it's own unbiased Twitter handle, literature, website.

It has moved outside of this impartiality.
Evidence that it has 'mostly' facilitated one side of the debate?
 

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from 7 am today, they're the curator, they make they explicitly clear that other curator's and their views before that. 18 hours ago per that tweet is not the referendum commission. As I said, if they're on a no handle giving out information, that's fine also.
 

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Ireland / REFCOM‏Verified account @ireland 1h1 hour ago

Ireland / REFCOM Retweeted Ireland / REFCOM

Thanks for all the responses and good wishes. We have been curating the @ireland account only since 7 am today, Monday 21st May. All earlier tweets belong to the countless past curators. Below is the tweet which marked the cut-off point on the feed

Those tweets you posted were made BEFORE RefCom started curating that account ger12 - 18 hours ago according to the posts you cite.

I ask again for your evidence please that a statutory body lead by a High Court judge has acted improperly.
 

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No case of real bias but it is pretty ridiculous from the point of view of perceived bias that it is possible to view an advert for one side published under an icon from the Comission. It would probably have been wiser for the Commission just to use its own account if it is not practically possible to delete the history of the @ireland account.

I am not a twitter user but if it’s possible through a google search to stumble across an older post from @Ireland which now looks like its from the Comission without simultaneously seeing the disclaimer mentioned above then there is an issue.
 
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Ireland / REFCOM‏Verified account @ireland 1h1 hour ago

Ireland / REFCOM Retweeted Ireland / REFCOM

Thanks for all the responses and good wishes. We have been curating the @ireland account only since 7 am today, Monday 21st May. All earlier tweets belong to the countless past curators. Below is the tweet which marked the cut-off point on the feed

Those tweets you posted were made BEFORE RefCom started curating that account ger12 - 18 hours ago according to the posts you cite.

I ask again for your evidence please that a statutory body lead by a High Court judge has acted improperly.

They should not have their name beside any messages be it pro life or pro choice, it doesn't matter when they took over the account, their name is still sat beside messages that are all in recent weeks pro-choice.

@Ireland is also a private twitter account owned by Irish Central, The Referendum commision have no business posting on a private twitter account that aims to make a profit for the owner of the twitter account and website.
 

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The Referendum Commission has taken over as curator of the @ireland account for the week, an account that for the last week has been curated by repeal and leans heavily to to this side of the debate.

It has just finished a week of being curated by a repeal campainger.

Imo this is a very serious comprise of it's impartial position by alligning itself to a Twitter account that has been defacto campaigning for repeal.

Your thoughts?
Jesus, ger, you have by this stage started so many threads and made so many posts accusing so many people and institutions of bias, underhandedness and general skulduggery in connection with this referendum, and on so very little evidence, that you're beginning to sound as though little short of a walkover will satisfy you!

I shudder to think what monstrous allegations you'll be making if you actually lose!
 

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They should not have their name beside any messages be it pro life or pro choice, it doesn't matter when they took over the account, their name is still sat beside messages that are all in recent weeks pro-choice.

@Ireland is also a private twitter account owned by Irish Central, The Referendum commision have no business posting on a private twitter account that aims to make a profit for the owner of the twitter account and website.
The Referendum Commission Of Ireland

The Referendum Commission is an independent body that explains the subject matter of referendum proposals, promotes public awareness of a referendum, and encourages the electorate to vote. It is open to the Minister for Housing, Planning and Local Government to appoint a Commission any time a referendum is to be held.
So part of RefComs raison d'etre is to promote awareness and it did so through Twitter.

RefCom also takes out adverts in the [Redacted]-owned press, which are privately owned news corp. Is that by the same token also an issue?
 

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Their name is being posted alongside pro-abortion messages, as below




They should not in anyway have their name beside any YES or NO messages, the fact that their name is beside a YES message shows a lack of impartiality, even if they didn't originally retweet it, their name is showing that they have retweeted it.
Ireland / REFCOM‏Verified account @ireland 1h1 hour ago

Ireland / REFCOM Retweeted Ireland / REFCOM

Thanks for all the responses and good wishes. We have been curating the @ireland account only since 7 am today, Monday 21st May. All earlier tweets belong to the countless past curators. Below is the tweet which marked the cut-off point on the feed

Those tweets you posted were made BEFORE RefCom started curating that account ger12 - 18 hours ago according to the posts you cite.

I ask again for your evidence please that a statutory body lead by a High Court judge has acted improperly.
They acted improperly by curatoring the account.

By doing so they have failed to remain impartial and unbiased.

I take the role of all Referenda Commissions very seriously. This office should be protected from in any way straying into any action that may impinge on it's impartiality.

By simply taking over a private Twitter account that has been largly campaigning for one side it breached imo it's statutory obligation and lost the trust it has been viewed with up to this stage.
 

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Directly above the post you made, I showed an image on a Pro-Abortion post that was retweeted by Ireland/Refcom. The fact that Recom has their name beside this is impartial.
When tax-payer funded public representatives like Harris and Varadkar hit the bricks and the airwaves threatening to prosecute anyone who takes abortion pills if there's a no vote and telling us it's just a matter of time before someone bleeds to death you can assume the establishment's objectivity and integrity was long since gone.

I've never understood how it is that an party is allowed to campaign publicly ahead of referenda.
 

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They acted improperly by curatoring the account.

By doing so they have failed to remain impartial and unbiased.

I take the role of all Referenda Commissions very seriously. This office should be protected from in any way straying into any action that may impinge on it's impartiality.

By simply taking over a private Twitter account that has been largly campaigning for one side it breached imo it's statutory obligation and lost the trust it has been viewed with up to this stage.
Is the same true of RefCom adverts placed in the O'Brien owned national press? Local press? On TV3? On local radio?
 

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There's an appearance of impropriety if a) You follow the twitter account but b) Don't know it has a weekly changing curator and that this curator is not responsible for or endorsing of previous tweets.

One would imagine the number of people that appearance of impropriety is relevant to is pretty small.
 

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I didn't say they tweeted a yes or no argument.

What they have done is taken over an account on Twitter that has largely been campaigning for one side.

And by doing so they have compromised the impartiality and spirit of the Referendum Commission.
This seems very wrong.
 


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