Hawe family deaths inquest.


TakeitAll

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Ok, what makes you suspect that?



When did he transfer the money, was it before or after he killed his wife and sat down to write a five page letter? Was it before or after he finished the letter and decided to kill the boys?

Whatever happened that night, I don’t think he had planned to kill the boys.

I’m not convinced he planned to kill, or did kill, anyone.
Are you for real? What that fruitcake done to his wife and kids is beyond evil, horrific. Pity the f&cker managed to kill himself as he deserved to be skinned alive, burnt alive, hung drawn and quartered. To think that nut job was responsible for teaching a class of kids is mind boggling.
 

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Are you for real? What that fruitcake done to his wife and kids is beyond evil, horrific. Pity the f&cker managed to kill himself as he deserved to be skinned alive, burnt alive, hung drawn and quartered. To think that nut job was responsible for teaching a class of kids is mind boggling.
As far as I know there were no complaints at all about his performance at work.
 

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This case should be brought to trial and all evidence presented and challenged in the usual manner.

Four, possibly five people were murdered, this warrants a thorough and public investigation, in the public interest.

Televisation would be educational.
 

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As far as I know there were no complaints at all about his performance at work.
)n the Clare Byrne show lst Mon., they said that their was a complaint made to the INTO by a fellow worker, allegaations that he was caught watch porn. at work and pleasuring himself, the murser and his suicide happened the day before they went back to school.
 

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Ok, what makes you suspect that?



When did he transfer the money, was it before or after he killed his wife and sat down to write a five page letter? Was it before or after he finished the letter and decided to kill the boys?

Whatever happened that night, I don’t think he had planned to kill the boys.

I’m not convinced he planned to kill, or did kill, anyone.




Who do u think killed the wife and 2 kids, aliens
 

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'People have a right to know' about murder suicides, says bereaved wife and mother

Speaking at a symposium on media coverage of mental health stories, organised by the Journalism Department at the University of Limerick, Una Butler called for accurate and sensitive reporting of murder suicide cases.

“I can understand that people just cannot comprehend or don’t want to read about it and that is why it is so important that when murder suicide cases are being reported on that it should be reported accurately and in a sensitive manner – no sensationalising, no glamourising of the events,” she explained.

“The media have been and are in a powerful position on how they report anything in general, but in particular with murder suicide accurate reporting is essential. People and society have a right to know how often these cases are happening,” she added.

She said she “turned to the media” in seeking a detailed investigation into that treatment.

“I engaged with the media following the murder suicide of my husband John and daughters, Ella and Zoe in 2010. After their deaths I received a two-page report from the HSE which was inadequate and an insult,” she said.

“I called for a detailed investigation into his treatment from the HSE and also wanted the Mental Health Act 2001 to be amended to include spouses or partners in the treatment of the family member suffering with their mental health to help prevent further cases from happening and also especially for the welfare of children.

“Ultimately, I went public and used the media because I thought and still believe that my family tragedy could have been prevented, had I been involved in my husband’s treatment, my children should be alive. That is the bottom line. - https://www.thejournal.ie/una-butler-media-murder-suicide-3349618-Apr2017/



I'm not sure if the above is the same case, but Una Butler has called for the inclusion of family members in the treatment of people suffering from depression. I'm not sure where Hawe's situation fits in there, as I don't think he was suffering with a mental illness, and I don't think there was a history of domestic abuse per se. If they were sexually incompatible, which appears to be the case, in theory, counselling could have led them to a place where they could have resolved their differences amicably, and then went their separate ways, so in that respect there is a lot of merit in Butlers idea. The figures are self-evident and speak for themselves, and men are 1,000 times more likely to implode and commit suicide than explode and commit murder-suicide. I'm not trying to minimize what happened, but ultimately, throwing money at Womens Aid won't prevent something similar from happening again. By sheer definition it can't, because it fundamentally boils down to men lacking the skills to deal with emotions like rejection and jealousy, albeit in this case, in a marriage that should probably never have taken place.
What is no domestic abuse per se?
 

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Who do u think killed the wife and 2 kids, aliens
GM is a sick troll has been trolling this site for years and is especially prone to trolling subjects such as this or anything that has people killed tragically, your best bet is to ignore don't encourage it .
 

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Are you capable of engaging with the substance of any of my posts without projecting me as a Woman Hater?
It would be nigh on possible to engage with you other than as a woman hater.
 

Antóin Mac Comháin

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Of course you missed entirely that Hawe was actually getting help. As was the man in Cork who killed his two children in the car. His wife has campaigned for spouses/family to be made aware of suicidal ideation etc.
What is no domestic abuse per se?
What did I mean when I said "I don't think he was suffering with a mental illness, and I don't think there was a history of domestic abuse per se?"

I feel dirty speculating about the case, but what I meant is that I don't think he had a history of physically abusing his wife, or that she felt under threat from him. What was he getting help for, if it wasn't for that? He was caught in a compromising sexual situation that was inappropriate because of where it occurred, but there doesn't appear to have been anything illegal about the type of porn he was consuming. What it boils down to, imo, is that he was most likely bisexual or enjoyed dressing up in women's clothes and his wife appears to have been oblivious to that. As I've said, I feel dirty speculating about the case, and it's anyone's guess whether he was aware of his own sexual orientation, when he first fell in love with his wife and got married. If he was, and she wasn't, that is some level of deception, and certainly more than enough for her to end the marriage. Facing the prospect of being humiliated and shamed for being caught in a compromising sexual situation, without the emotional support of the person he would rely on in any other crisis, and also facing the prospect of losing the woman he was in love with, it seems that jealousy, envy and shame consumed him. As we know from the bible and ancient stories like Tóraíocht Diarmuid & Gráinne, jealousy can be a qúnt, especially when you're not married to one..
 

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What disturbs me about this, [MENTION=50866]Antóin Mac Comháin[/MENTION], is that you seem to think that murder followed by suicide is merely another form of suicide. I don't agree.

Do you also consider suicide bombers to be first and foremost suicide victims? Alan Hawe murdered his wife and children absolutely brutally, but gave himself a much less painful death. That, plus the signs that he had planned the attack in advance, and indeed his apparently controlled actions after the murders lead me to think that this was not really "about" his suicide so much as about ensuring that his "possessions" did not get to have a life independent from him.

It could even be that when he was seen in a car in the morning, after he had killed them, he was thinking of trying to escape the consequences of his actions, like Xavier Dupont De Ligonnes here in France.
 

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s family left €50k in debt after Hawe murder-suicide - Independent.ie

Interesting that it would be up to his family if hiss body be exumed and buried in a different grave, woud think it was a tough decision on his family to agree to the request.
As for his family being sole benafacter, rightly or wrongly he transsfered the money into his account and he must have a will made leaving all to his family. Unless it can be proved that his family or solicter knew what he had planed, the Hawe family could contesst the will.
 

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It would be nigh on possible to engage with you other than as a woman hater.
LOLZ.. the term is “nigh on impossible” but then little details such as the difference between possible and impossible are not really important to you in your careless rush to deliver abuse.

Even more amusing is that I am on the side of this debate where I consider Hawe to have been an evil controlling man who completely dominated his poor wife and children and seemed to have considered them his possessions. I see absolutely nothing to excuse any part of his heinous crime. That you translate that into me being a woman hater says more about you than it does about me.
 

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What disturbs me about this, [MENTION=50866]Antóin Mac Comháin[/MENTION], is that you seem to think that murder followed by suicide is merely another form of suicide. I don't agree.
I don't agree either.

Do you also consider suicide bombers to be first and foremost suicide victims?
You have ascribed views to me above which aren't mine, so I can't really answer that question, reasonably, other than to say I'm not a Marxist-Leninist, and thus, by sheer definition, I don't suffer from an abstract form of Irish Stolkholm Syndrome. I suffer with a different type of affliction: I'm ruled by my heart, and I have a habit of falling in love with the wrong women, such is the way of the world, but none of the crazies have driven me to murder..

Alan Hawe murdered his wife and children absolutely brutally, but gave himself a much less painful death. That, plus the signs that he had planned the attack in advance, and indeed his apparently controlled actions after the murders lead me to think that this was not really "about" his suicide so much as about ensuring that his "possessions" did not get to have a life independent from him.

It could even be that when he was seen in a car in the morning, after he had killed them, he was thinking of trying to escape the consequences of his actions, like Xavier Dupont De Ligonnes here in France.
'Planned Attacks' and 'Escapes' is the type of terminology one would expect to find in a Sven Hassel novel. The emboldened part is what makes Hawe an animal, in all of the worst senses of the word, and separates him from other men who can't cope with the same emotions which arise from similar situations. I can't see how else or where I've made a comparison between him and any of the men I know who committed suicide, and if I'm not sure I see all of them as victims, I most certainly don't see Hawe as one, in the same way I see his wife and children as such. I didn't coin the phrase, 'Murder-Suicide', and you're preaching to the converted insofar as the differentiation between Hawe and the 16-20K driven over the edge by the Jackboot of Militant Feminists are concerned..
 

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His lover was jealous that he was still wearing the wife’s knickers and not his so he broke in, killed her and made him transfer all the money or he’d kill the kids too. Then he changed his mind, killed the kids, and made the dad’s death look like a suicide.

Alternatively, he killed the wife and stole the car in a fit of jealousy. Meanwhile, the husband lost his mind with grief and terror of the lovers return and took his kids and himself to a happier place to be together with his wife / their mother.
I've read some sick sh1tę in my day but this will never be topped.

You are either a malicious troll or suffering mental retardation.
 

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His lover was jealous that he was still wearing the wife’s knickers and not his so he broke in, killed her and made him transfer all the money or he’d kill the kids too. Then he changed his mind, killed the kids, and made the dad’s death look like a suicide.
Alternatively, he killed the wife and stole the car in a fit of jealousy. Meanwhile, the husband lost his mind with grief and terror of the lovers return and took his kids and himself to a happier place to be together with his wife / their mother.
It absolutely sickens me to read your post. Your trivialising of the terrifying and cruel death those innocent little children suffered is beyond the bounds of human decency. I hope you're not in a position to influence others with your sick twisted opinions.
 
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