Hawe family deaths inquest.


Orbit v2

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They really oughtn't to have said anything. And there is no way they can be certain he didn’t access porn at school.
That's true. It was a very naive claim.

I'd say it is very unlikely he would have contacted the INTO or anyone for that matter. He didn't sound like the kind of person who went looking for advice or help from others.
 

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The Coll family said he contacted the INTO and the INTO havent denied he did. The INTO released a statement saying all contact with them is confidential.
Hopefully if an inquiry is established the Coll will know for sure if Hawe contacted his union.
 

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Obviously there are many unanswered questions in this case, but I'm surprised that nobody is mentioning the side effects of anti-depressants. Alan Hawe was apparently being treated for a "long-standing depressive illness". It seems very likely that he was prescribed SSRI drugs, as is typical in such cases in Ireland. Aggression and suicide have often been reported as side effects. Murder-suicide seems to be associated with those anti-depressants.
 

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Was he being treated for depression.

I thought the Colls said he had had the same GP for five years and she wasnt treating him for depression.

Mrs Coll said her daughter Clodagh shared everything with her and she wasnt told Hawe had depression. Clodagh told her mother Hawe was accessing porn so she presumably would have told her if Hawe was depressed.

Is murdering your tiny 5 ft wife with a hatchet associated with anti depressants, thats news to me.
 

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Was he being treated for depression.

I thought the Colls said he had had the same GP for five years and she wasnt treating him for depression.

Mrs Coll said her daughter Clodagh shared everything with her and she wasnt told Hawe had depression. Clodagh told her mother Hawe was accessing porn so she presumably would have told her if Hawe was depressed.

Is murdering your tiny 5 ft wife with a hatchet associated with anti depressants, thats news to me.
It's not, anyone using the depression line has never seen a loved one suffer from depression.
 

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If he was on anti depressants wouldnt this have been mentioned at the inquest and some follow up done on whatever medication he was taking. The last people person to see him alive, Clodaghs mother didnt notice anything different about him. He sat there drinking tea in her house and probably knew even then she would never see her daughter or grandchildren again.

No one in the middle of a phychotic breakdown would sit down and calmly transfer money from one bank account to the other, why on earth would you do something like this just before you hung yourself unless you wanted to control family finances until the very end.
 

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If he was on anti depressants wouldnt this have been mentioned at the inquest and some follow up done on whatever medication he was taking. The last people person to see him alive, Clodaghs mother didnt notice anything different about him. He sat there drinking tea in her house and probably knew even then she would never see her daughter or grandchildren again.

No one in the middle of a phychotic breakdown would sit down and calmly transfer money from one bank account to the other, why on earth would you do something like this just before you hung yourself unless you wanted to control family finances until the very end.
You and Rommel seem to be very sure about these things. I admit I'm not.

I just attach some weight to the report about the inquest:

"The inquest into the deaths of a family in Co Cavan has heard that Alan Hawe, who murdered his wife and three sons before taking his own life, had been suffering from a severe mental illness.
"Professor Harry Kennedy, who carried out a report for the coroner based on Mr Hawes' medical records and suicide note, said he had progressed from a long standing depressive illness to a severe depressive episode with psychotic symptoms."

Presumably the medical records give some details about this long-standing depressive illness, and also about some treatment for that illness. I'm curious about that, and suspect that he had been prescribed SSRIs. Is no one else curious about that?
 

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You and Rommel seem to be very sure about these things. I admit I'm not.

I just attach some weight to the report about the inquest:

"The inquest into the deaths of a family in Co Cavan has heard that Alan Hawe, who murdered his wife and three sons before taking his own life, had been suffering from a severe mental illness.
"Professor Harry Kennedy, who carried out a report for the coroner based on Mr Hawes' medical records and suicide note, said he had progressed from a long standing depressive illness to a severe depressive episode with psychotic symptoms."

Presumably the medical records give some details about this long-standing depressive illness, and also about some treatment for that illness. I'm curious about that, and suspect that he had been prescribed SSRIs. Is no one else curious about that?
My father in law is crippled with depression and a personal close friend of myself and the missus has been dealing with the black dog of depression for years.
 

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He was an abnormal monster.

No matter how dark your thoughts taking out your wife and children is beyond evil.

I see what you are trying to do as well buddy and I'm not falling for your trolling.
Fair enough.

I admit I have moved on to the Madeleine McCann case now because discussion of the Hawe case got a bit boring.

The videos online are incredibly interesting.

I am struck by the abolutely invariable insistence of all commentators, upon mention of either of the siblings, of pointing out that either or both were twins.

It’s extremely weird.

There is a picture of Madeleine, her sister Amelie and her father at the pool. For no apparent reason the commentator feels it necessary to point out that Amelie is a twin.

Why?

The clear subtext is that, together, the twins may have killed Madeleine.

Is this an unfair characterization of twins caused by the Krays?

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Jaysus, inquests in Ireland really go into the gory details. Do we need to know all this? I’d rather find out more about the living than the dead.
 
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Obviously there are many unanswered questions in this case, but I'm surprised that nobody is mentioning the side effects of anti-depressants. Alan Hawe was apparently being treated for a "long-standing depressive illness". It seems very likely that he was prescribed SSRI drugs, as is typical in such cases in Ireland. Aggression and suicide have often been reported as side effects. Murder-suicide seems to be associated with those anti-depressants.
Good old Soubresauts introduce the big Pharma angle. With links too. No doubt to crazy sources of like minded anti vacciners like you.
 

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He wasn't being treated for depressive illness either. So, there's no way he could have been taking the drugs mentioned. The psychiatrist who said that he had a "long-standing depressive illness" came to that conclusion without ever seeing him.
 

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He wasn't being treated for depressive illness either. So, there's no way he could have been taking the drugs mentioned...
How do you know?

The psychiatrist who said that he had a "long-standing depressive illness" came to that conclusion without ever seeing him.
Did he not say that based on seeing Alan Hawe's medical records?
 

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How do you know?

Did he not say that based on seeing Alan Hawe's medical records?
The man brutally murdered Clodagh and the three boys. Stop trying to use your bias against medication and vaccines as an excuse to justify his actions. It's despicable of you and your agenda.
 

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It was reported his GP definitely wasn't treating him for it, or aware of it.

Some records, yes, but can you really reach a diagnosis without taking to or seeing the patient?
Dr. Soubresauts not only has diagnosed him but knows which medication he took and has medically concluded it's what caused him to murder Clodagh and the boys.
 

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The man brutally murdered Clodagh and the three boys. Stop trying to use your bias against medication and vaccines as an excuse to justify his actions. It's despicable of you and your agenda.
Anti vaccination idiots are the reason we have measles mumps rubella and TB back on thr rise.
 

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How do you know?
Did he not say that based on seeing Alan Hawe's medical records?
Diagnosing an illness from someone's medical records when the doctors who wrote those records didn't diagnose any such illnesses themselves sounds very much like rewriting history in light of the murders, but if that post mortem diagnosis is right, then it shows that undiagnosed and/or untreated or insufficiently treated mental illness may end up pushing sufferers over the edge, rather than the treatments.

Maybe if he'd been diagnosed and treated before his death, then perhaps he wouldn't have killed them.
 
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