Healy Rae demands hospital and bypass for supporting Budget

bactrian

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According to Breaking News on IOL Jacke Healy Rae is demanding a new hospital in Kenmare and a By-Pass around Tralee as the price of his vote in support of the Government Budget.

Whatever ones view of how we got here,

It is all the fault of :-
Lehmann Brothers,

Gross and criminal incompetence of Fianna Fail,

Some other reason,


we are all agreed that this country is in very serious financial difficulties amounting to a National crisis.


There is real and valid debate as to how we can deal with this crisis. There are vehemently opposing views expressed as to the course we should follow. However all agree that a National approach must be taken.

Mr Healy-Rae is not only entitled to an opinion on the merits/demerits of the proposed Budget , as a public representative he is obliged to inform himself and to reach a conclusion.

Mr. Healy-Rae's demand is an abrogation of his duty as a TD. He is putting small-minded, parish-pump, pettifogging shortsightedness ahead of National interest. He is putting the putting the National interest up for sale.

If Mr Healy-Rae thinks the Governments proposals have merit he should vote for the Budget.

If Mr Healy-Rae thinks the Governments proposals lack merit he should vote against the Budget.

In making these demands Mr Healy-Rae demonstrates the most vile aspects of Irish Politics.
 


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So change the system. Don't blame the guy for doing more for the people of Kerry than an FG, FF, Lab TD could. He was elected to put the people of his constituency ahead of those in Dublin, Cork etc. The people who voted for him knew what he would do, they're perfectly fine with him.

He's a great example as to the findamental problems in the offices of power in Ireland. But you can't tell me that his electorate are stupid for electing a guy who's genuinely able to say to them "If you vote for me, our area can punch above it's weight and get things we otherwise wouldn't."

The alternative in Kerry South was FF's Tom Flemming. If he'd been elected would the country or Kerry South have been better off?
 

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Are these projects good for the Kerry people, or for the Healy Rae Plant Hire business?
 

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So change the system. Don't blame the guy for doing more for the people of Kerry than an FG, FF, Lab TD could. He was elected to put the people of his constituency ahead of those in Dublin, Cork etc. The people who voted for him knew what he would do, they're perfectly fine with him.

He's a great example as to the findamental problems in the offices of power in Ireland. But you can't tell me that his electorate are stupid for electing a guy who's genuinely able to say to them "If you vote for me, our area can punch above it's weight and get things we otherwise wouldn't."

The alternative in Kerry South was FF's Tom Flemming. If he'd been elected would the country or Kerry South have been better off?
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Healy-Rae should be given a medal of honour for shining an honest light on our political system.

The rest of the politicians do the exact same thing as Healy-Rae - but on the sly, and with a greater pretence that they have the national interest most at heart.

Healy Rae is bringing transparency to our political system. He is a parochial gombeen lover, fond of lining his own nest, like all the rest of them, but in his case, he is proud of it, and not afraid to let it be known by one and all.
 

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Assuming this is true and based on this clowns track record it is the sort of ransom demands he would make for his vote. This is what is all wrong about this banana republic we inhabit - gombeen, parish pump politics at its best.
 

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Our electoral system requires this, even demands this from TDs. If they want to get re-elected, they have to be seen to get stuff for their local constituency.

A Primetime special about 6 months ago showed this kind of thing to be happening all over the place, with high profile TDs areas getting much larger proportions of capital spending on sports/transport etc.

Question is : How do we break the link between getting elected and getting stuff, when the theory is that a TD's job is to legislate on a National basis ?
 

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A guarante on the Tralee by pass will be a "special !" provision in the budget.
 

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Question is : How do we break the link between getting elected and getting stuff, when the theory is that a TD's job is to legislate on a National basis ?
How? Direct Democracy thats how
 

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Fair play to Jackie, he's actually doing his job exactly correct as the current system permits. The system allows this, Healy Rae is just doing as INDEPENDENT TD is meant to.
 

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But you can't tell me that his electorate are stupid for electing a guy who's genuinely able to say to them "If you vote for me, our area can punch above it's weight and get things we otherwise wouldn't."
Not stupid. There is a serious question about their ethical compass, though. And the FF alternative to JHR was just a less effective version of the same phenomenon. Without the FF principle-free hunger for power, JHR would be impossible.

The problem, essentially, is the ethics typified by Fianna Fáil and sponsored by support for Fianna Fáil and their gene pool.

I think we are about to find out if FG and Labour can escape this amoral, clientelist and dishonest tradition.

I seriously doubt that any realistically possible change in the electoral system is either necessary of sufficient to change this system, certainly without changing it into a corporativist system that is no better from the point of view of democracy, transparency or fairness (see Spain).
 

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Our electoral system requires this, even demands this from TDs. If they want to get re-elected, they have to be seen to get stuff for their local constituency.

A Primetime special about 6 months ago showed this kind of thing to be happening all over the place, with high profile TDs areas getting much larger proportions of capital spending on sports/transport etc.

Question is : How do we break the link between getting elected and getting stuff, when the theory is that a TD's job is to legislate on a National basis ?
*Reduce TDs to 100
*Redraw constituencies across county boundaries
*Pass legislation to make it illegal for a TD to interfere in the granting of medical cards etc.
*Reform Dáil workng practices so they have to be there, in the chamber, listening to debate and examining legislation
*Increase the powers of county councils and councillors

I'm willing to stand for election on thi platform: anyone willing to help form the National Reform Party? :)
 

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Jackies vote has more weight then it ever had before, as the FF/Green traitors are finding out. He is just being rational and using that extra bargaining weight to advocate for the people who voted him in.
 

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Not stupid. There is a serious question about their ethical compass, though. And the FF alternative to JHR was just a less effective version of the same phenomenon. Without the FF principle-free hunger for power, JHR would be impossible.

The problem, essentially, is the ethics typified by Fianna Fáil and sponsored by support for Fianna Fáil and their gene pool.

I think we are about to find out if FG and Labour can escape this amoral, clientelist and dishonest tradition.

I seriously doubt that any realistically possible change in the electoral system is either necessary of sufficient to change this system, certainly without changing it into a corporativist system that is no better from the point of view of democracy, transparency or fairness (see Spain).
There are ways out there, but the mostly involve giving further power to the local councils and areas (Like in Switzerland for instance), thus reducing the amount of local influence a TD can have. We need to move away from the point where you call your TD if you want a pothole filled.

It's one of the problems I have with Kenny's idea of getting rid of the Seanad, you're just focusing more power on the Dáil, making more sense for a locality to elect an independent TD who's made it clear he's only out for his area.
 

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*Reduce TDs to 100
*Redraw constituencies across county boundaries
*Pass legislation to make it illegal for a TD to interfere in the granting of medical cards etc.
*Reform Dáil workng practices so they have to be there, in the chamber, listening to debate and examining legislation
*Increase the powers of county councils and councillors

I'm willing to stand for election on thi platform: anyone willing to help form the National Reform Party? :)
All of that can be done without any sort of constitutional change.

I wouldn't enforce presence in the chamber, but something to force TD's to fulfil their role as legislators and debaters, rather than as faux citizens' rights consultants, fixers, demagogues and party hacks.

In these angry times, it's worth remembering that carrots work quite as well as sticks.

I would be very wary of increasing the powers of county councils and councillors without having some very much stronger anti-corruption and anti-waste mechanisms in place.
 

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I'm not sure I know what you mean by direct democracy eoghan.
Think local Government.

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Switzerland's System of Direct Democracy

There has to be a debate on the future of how we rule ourselves.
 


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