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Who are the Illuminati?

So what is the story anyways about the Occult side of the New World Order, what do people mean by that exactly?

Well obviously people are saying that there is some group out there who are aiming for this New World Order thing, which is an attempt to form a world government. There are obviously various theories as to who this group is but generally they all boil down to what nearly all American commentators call the Illuminati. So anyway I thought I would stick my neck into the lion's jaw :) and attempt to describe what people say this group is and what they are actually up to. I wish to point out that this only an opinion, I have no proof of these statements, or anything very substantial to back up the list of names given, but I think giving one's opinion is an important function of political discourse in a democratic society and is protected, and should be protected, by the traditions and laws of the land. Anybody can just listen to the links given on the Illuminati and make up their own mind and of course it goes without saying that I do not agree with everything explained in those links.


What is the Illuminati?

So what are people referring to anyway when they talk about the Illuminati? Well this is just a general name that arrived in the late 18th century for the organisation of the various Occult groups that existed at that time. By Occult groups we simply mean those who follow a kind of anti-Christian religion e.g. Satanists and Luciferians etc. So we are talking about a large (they probably number in the millions, certainly hundreds of thousands, and are organised all across the world) disparate collection of groups who co-operate, sometimes loosely, because they are all aiming to destroy the Christian heritage of the world and to usher in a new 'paradise' on earth, where they would be dictators in what is now known as the New World Order. To understand its structure just look at the Christian religion and imagine if you had a smaller version of that then that's what the Occult world looks like. Hence, in the Christian world, you have various denominations which might have close or loose links to a centralised body, like the way that the Church of England or Orthodox Churches might sometimes recognise or cooperate with the Vatican, but they are really only united by an overall aim to further the Christian word as outlined in the gospel etc and can be identified by the use of universal Christian symbols like the cross, books like the Bible and prayers like the Our Father. That's then how you can identify Occult groups, by the same use of particular symbols and books, and the basic unity they have is simply that they are aiming for this destruction of normal civilisation and its supplanting by the NWO.

The Illuminati word arose when a person called Adam Weishupt founded a particular secret society on May the first 1776 that drew up a specific plan to destroy all nation states, all religions, all marks of normal civilisation, and all private property. You can read more about the progress of this 'conspiracy' by reading this book by a French Jesuit writing in 1798: Memoirs Illustrating the History of Jacobinism - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia . Anyway that's the basic allegation that's made in these 'conspiracy theories', that that secret society is still in existence and still working to undermine the sovereignty of all independent states, all religions and all private property. As well as Weishupt, some personalities associated with this group include Voltaire, Frederick the Great, Caliostro, Mazzini, Marx, Palmerston, Lemmi - a late 19th century Italian politician -, a mid 19th century American General called Pike, and Aleister Crowley, who was involved in the Anarchist Movement among many other things.

The overall philosophy that is said to motivate the 'Illuminati' is easy to understand, its simply the opposite of what the traditional Christian religions believe or believed in. In other words if you take the 10 commandments, or whatever, and reversed them then that's what this group believes in! And this is not an accident, these groups are very far from being atheists or non believers in the importance of the Bible etc, they are simply taking every reference from there to Lucifer and Our Lord and are making sure to further the former's aims and frustrate the latter's! This can even extend to a close reading of the Book of Revelation in order to help to create the state where their hero, the Antichrist, can come into the world.


Illuminati's Agenda for Society

The progress of this 'conspiracy', if you like, is where the Illuminati is said to exert its influence through the media and educational systems to further its aims of bringing about the NWO. The best description of this process seems to have been given by a former KGB officer called Yuri Bezmenov, because the techniques used by this 'conspiracy' seem to be very similar to old USSR techniques. What he described is that you can brainwash the general public in a country to assist or acclimatise themselves to losing their independence - remember that's the aim of the NWO, each country has to agree to surrender its sovereignty as part of bringing about a one world government - by following this three step process:
a) You enter into a long 20 year or so process of stripping out the morals in the general public - he calls that 'demoralisation' - in order to help to create a population who have a kind of blank slate that these people can then write on, so to speak. This stage takes a long time because the education system is one of the important elements of it and you have to wait for the generation that you educated to come into political power. I will describe this in more detail below.
b) Then you have 2 or 3 years of a more obviously destabilised state of society. You see its important to understand that during the above phase its easier to accomplish it if the general public are kind of asleep, entertained by sport etc and feeling that there is no great political 'conspiracy' working on their society. Then for the second phase you reverse this somewhat and you create divisions and confusion in the country. Bezmenov particularly gives the example of labour relations, during this period you create divisions between employers and employees so that it seems as if the country and society cannot hold together at all.
c) The third phase was named, with deliberate irony, by the KGB as 'normalisation'. This just means that you roll in the tanks from the foreign country to take over and now run the country with an order that seemed to be impossible when it was independent.

This long term brainwashing process, that he described as the first phase, is a bit complicated but maybe could be explained if we take a kind of hypothetical, fictional, analogy. Ok imagine the scene in Cambodia after the Khmer Rouge took over. You have nearly all the population housed in Communist re-education camps, listening to Communist propaganda broadcast over loud speakers and guards patrolling the perimeters etc. Now say you have been given an assignment by the Khmer Rouge govt. You are called in as some hotshot New York PR guru and your mission, should you choose to accept it :), is to assist the govt. in brainwashing the Cambodian public. It is explained to you that you need to use the education system in the camps, and what is broadcast over the media and those loud speakers, in order to mould the population to be more amenable to the Cambodian govt. The Khmer Rouge minister could explain it to you like this: "currently we need to have guards with machine guns placed around these camps in order to keep the people in and make them work for us etc. We want you to brainwash the people so that they will stay in their camps, go to work, and basically do what we tell them to do, without the necessity for guards etc."

Ok fair enough, now how are you going to do that? You see if you think about it what you are trying to do is mould the sense of right and wrong of your population. Currently the people do not think that working for the Khmer Rouge and following their instructions is 'right', they have their own version of what is right and wrong and they only follow the govts instructions because they have to, because the guards with the machine guns compel them to. Your job is to find out what is it that gives them their current sense of right and wrong, get rid of it from the population, and then supplant it with a sense that following the govt's - the Khmer Rouge's - instructions to the letter is what is 'right'.

Its easy enough to figure out where they get their current sense of right and wrong, maybe from three specific sources:
a) From their religion, so this must be got rid of straight away. You need to get those media outlets to mock their religion all the time and water down or abolish religion from the educational system. Bezmenov, at the end of one of the lectures, specifically stated that religion was the great opponent of this process, its imperative to strip out that first.
b) From their families. Obviously their parents might inculcate a value system into their children, so actually you need to abolish the family structures if you can. It would be better if parents split up, or you have widespread illegitimacy, or even had children raised by the state.
c) From local community structures which might foster a given 'code' of ethics. So if you can mess that up, create new communities where strangers try to live together and 'regenerate' old communities by separating old neighbours, that might be the way to go. You can promote that on a global scale too by fostering widespread immigration and emigration.

If you can rid people of this previous sense of right and wrong then you are ready to implant a new sense of right and wrong, the one that gets people to follow the Khmer Rouge's instructions without question. So how are you going to do this, what's the plan anyway? Well how about this, how about creating a kind of 'cult of the law'. Now the law at this time in Cambodia is simply the instructions that the Khmer Rouge have drawn up to control their people. The law states that the general public must stay in those camps and work for the Khmer Rouge. Hence if people just follow the law blindly they will be following the Khmer Rouge's instructions, which is the brainwashing that the Khmer Rouge asked you to implant in people. So say you hype up the whole majesty of the law. Maybe you could broadcast soap operas where the arcane workings of the law are described in great depth, which would give the law greater prestige and status and also disguise the reality that the modern Cambodian law is just the Khmer Rouge's instructions, they abolished the old legal rights and customs and made new modern laws in all areas which just embodied their dictatorial instructions for the general public. (Btw one helpful thing about the latter process, the process of getting rid of old rights like that, is to create a kind of 'cult of change' so that the general public would automatically look on as old fashioned the old rights and clamour for a 'modern' reworking of the law.) So that's one way that you could brainwash the general public to follow blindly this corrupt government's instructions and you can now collect your check with a job well done!

That then is something like the process that is alleged to be occurring in modern society. So maybe you, O reader!, have also been brainwashed like this? You think not? Not you surely, you are above all that? lol. Maybe you are an atheist who doesn't believe in all that religious 'hocus pocus'? Did you ever stop to think that maybe you are a product of the fact that detailed comprehensive teaching of theology was stripped out of the school curriculum in Ireland in the mid70s, maybe if you knew the details that underlined the old religious principles you wouldn't be as dismissive of them? Did you ever stop to think about the portrayal of religion in the modern media? I just saw the film 'The name of the Rose' sometime ago and it is very striking how much the monks were deformed ugly looking people, as opposed to the heroes who were, bizarrely and unhistorically, standing up for laughter and learning that the church was supposed to be trying to suppress. How many portrayals like that does one see in films and does that subliminally influence people? Look at the question of supplanting the 'cult of the law': how many soap operas or TV series have been created recently which go into the details of legal proceedings and which could be subliminally implanting that as a sense of 'right and wrong' in people? I can think of 'Law and Order', 'Boston Legal', 'Judge John Deed' and actually countless others that have grown up in the last 15 years or so. Think about the OJ Simpson trial, admittedly it was a newsworthy topic but is it not remarkable that it was broadcast live for about a year on television all over the world?
Anyway that kind of process is what it is said the 'Illuminati' are promoting in modern day society.


Mind/Brain Programming

One complicated topic that is tied in with this cult is the question of the creation of multiple personalities and mind/brain programming. I am just describing this technology here because if you follow some of the Illuminati links in the bibliography you won't know what the people are talking about otherwise. This is a very complex and secret technology that it is said this cult uses on its members.

The simplest way to understand all that is to look upon the mind as working like a computer. The basic, 'low level', 'brain' that a computer has is the BIOS, which in turn controls and co-ordinates all the various parts of the computer like the hard drive, internet connection, etc. But it itself is a small 'brain' if you like, it only feeds the information in and out to the hard drive where all the big serious computer programmes are. When you talk about the great memory capacity of the computer or the big mathematical calculations or automation etc you are referring to the hard drive which is the much bigger and comprehensive part of the computer, but nonetheless is 'inferior' if you like to the BIOS. The latter is the essential 'commander' of the system as it were, and the computer can work, in a limited sense, without the hard drive but not without the BIOS. Also since the BIOS works at this low level, theoretically anyway, programmes running on the BIOS, like clock functions etc, work faster than the hard drive ones because they can run in a purer simpler state, before the overhang of running the hard drive kicks in and which delays things somewhat.

Anyway apparently the Occult world discovered that the human brain works a little like that. What they aimed to do was to access the low level brain functions, the BIOS equivalent of the brain, and in using that they could develop 'purer' faster brain functions like great strength and a photographic memory etc. Also if you could access the mind at this 'core' level you could even install the brain's equivalent of a new hard drive, a new personality, creating people with multiple personalities and which helps greatly in preserving the cult's secrets. The question is how do you access the 'BIOS' of the mind while the normal mind is still functioning? There are various ways:
a) Hypnosis. That's what the hypnotist is doing, as you can see in TV shows etc, the hypnotist dulls the main brain into a kind of sleep state and instead speaks directly to the 'BIOS' of the brain and gives it simple instructions. So hence the person can be instructed to act like a monkey etc, and this primitive brain state will know enough to be able to act out this monkey state but not know enough to realise that this is a foolish thing to do on a stage.
b) Trauma. You know the phrase 'scared out of you wits'? Well that seems to be a recognition of a kind of state where, if you don't die or faint, you sort of 'lose your mind' when you are very scared or in great pain. In that state you can talk to and give messages to the primitive brain just like under hypnosis.
c) There are various other tricks and drugs etc that can be used. For example if you are in a state where your senses are not being used then you might enter into this semi-hypnotic state e.g. if you were placed floating in a water tank, where you have a feeling of weightlessness, where it was permanently dark and silent so you couldn't use your hearing or sight senses, and where you have some kind of all round rubber body suit so that you couldn't use your sense of touch. Also another trick could be if you permanently hold a person's eyes open and flash across the eye very quickly some kind of information, it might be absorbed by the primitive brain and bypass the main brain. This is because the BIOS of the brain, as it were, can read faster than the main brain. The same could be tried by speeding up the playing of recorded sounds of voices speaking to the victim, because again the 'primitive brain' can pick up and hear things which are said too fast to be absorbed by the main brain.

In any case that's the general outlines of this enormously complicated subject which you can read a bit more of here if you like: http://www.politics.ie/current-affa...ed-mpd-agents-used-intelligence-agencies.html .


Race

This is an important subject tied up with the 'conspirators' agenda. I think that an over emphasis on the horrors of WWII should not be allowed to disguise the fact that race is a very important component of society. The structure and cohesion of any country rests to a very large extent on the racial characteristics of the people in that country. Look at it this way, if you planted a thousand people of old English stock on some deserted island somewhere you would notice that the island would begin to resemble England after a few years even if the inhabitants had never actually lived in England! You can see examples of that kind of thing happening all over the world in the outposts of the old Empire, you see in practice a lot of what makes a society tick is in the genes of the people. These genetic characteristics are in turn important to the conspirators as they judge how societies will react to the creation of a NWO.

The point is that some races have a kind of 'superiority complex' and some have the opposite, obviously an 'inferiority complex'. So what happens is that races with the former are more likely to be determined opponents of the NWO, because in their sense of 'superiority' they feel that they know best how to run a country and don't want to be told how to do things by a world government, whereas the other type are more likely to accept the wisdom that would be handed down to them by this international institution and world media, they would not feel confident enough to go against a kind of world consensus in favour of the NWO. Its obvious that this 'superiority complex' tends to be held by the white races of North Western Europe, say the White Anglo Saxon Protestant, French, Dutch and Swiss peoples, and an 'inferiority complex' of some type is usually felt by nearly all other races, especially the non white ones. Before I am accused of being 'racist' I should point out that I am Irish and I think a lot of this 'inferiority complex' is quite characteristic of Irish people, as it is among many of the Latin races that the Irish resemble, and even a little bit among the Eastern European races e.g. if you follow Russian history you can see how much the Russians tended to look up to the French in the 19th century and to the US, bizarrely I know, in the 20th century, so showing this inferiority complex. The English, on the other hand, never seemed to feel any place is as good as England, or any language as good as English, and the WASP type Americans feel much the same way!

Of course this is a general attitude, its not a reflection of people's intelligence or a reflection of the truth of a country's superiority, during some eras and in some matters England is not a superior country but try telling them that (especially if you could speak to them in the 19th century say)! Whereas in Ireland 'an Irish solution to an Irish problem' is a political insult, its a way of laughing at a given policy. If you approach some government TD or Minister, especially a Fianna Fáil one who supposedly represent a kind of 'purer' Irish nationalism, with a proposed policy in a given area they will ask where this policy has been done before. In other words unless it has been done before in the UK or the US or wherever then they don't want to know, there is no way they would implement a policy before those countries. Its remarkable too how many Irish literary or art figures got recognition of their genius in places like the UK and the US, in many cases Irish people wouldn't acknowledge their merit at all until they were applauded abroad.

This then has political significance. Take the recent Lisbon II referendum for example. In practice when you are trying to persuade a person to oppose the EU you have a big problem because at the end of the day Irish people look up to these foreign institutions. They imagine that the clever well organised countries of Europe couldn't be cooking up something that could be that terrible, it must be better than the banjaxed country Irish people have messed up here etc. The inferiority complex helps to sell the supra-national institution to the country, and this is the model that the 'conspirators' see as being used to create their NWO. The French and the Dutch on the other hand (as would the English if they were ever asked) solidly turned down the new EU constitution, they had the confidence to see the thing on its merits, they weren't swayed by the inferiority complex.

You see if we ever have a proposal to create a new world government I think it would look like the creation of the League of Nations, or the United Nations, or the convening of Vatican II. In all these cases you had a huge outpouring of joy expressed in the international media, and among international statesmen, about how this was a great step to further international peace and co-operation among peoples - and religions in the case of the oecumenical thrust of Vatican II - etc. That is what the creation of the NWO will look like and you have to ask how will the different races and countries react to that. When the League of Nations was created as far as I know no country really objected to it except the US which shocked everybody by throwing out the proposal in the US Senate. The only country to doggedly oppose joining the UN for decades, as opposed to those countries who were forbidden from joining, was Switzerland. As regards Vatican II the first country to show a lack of enthusiasm for the media generated hype was England, where the English Catholics immediately negotiated a special opt out from the new liturgy. Then afterwards opposition to Vatican II started up and blossomed in France, and French speaking Switzerland, and the US. In all these cases you will find that the governments representing the non WASP or North Western European races clamoured to get involved with what the international media said was great. They just went with the flow, and this 'inferiority complex' is a large part of the reason for that.

Which brings us to the 'conspirators' agenda with respect to race. For them its simple, for the above mentioned reason, they want to crush those white races that have this 'superiority complex'. Actually they want to breed them out of existence. So we do have a racial war if you like and its simply a war against white people, but particularly the English, American, French, and North West European races in general. You can see it in the elevation of the African American race in the US, the huge immigration of other races into all the main white countries, and the fall of the white regimes in Africa and India etc.

Again I think that people should look at this rationally and see the agenda without being swayed by media name calling etc. The thing is too that these 'conspirators' themselves are genuinely racist in that they look upon their group as a kind of master race and only allow arranged marriages among their 'elite' families. Maybe this is why they take such an interest in the world races and are so keen to alter their makeup.
 
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Who are 'they' exactly?

It is obviously very difficult to figure out who 'they' are in the case of Irish public figures but it may be possible to identify some of them if you judge people by the following criteria:
1) See if a particular person or group follows the agenda of the 'conspirators'. I would suggest there are maybe four basic threads to the agenda of this group, which were described earlier:
a) They want to break down community structures by e.g. hyping up 'stranger danger' among young people and danger on the roads - the main figure here being Gay Byrne, who also of course had earlier a very powerful role in the Irish media - and passive smoking so that nobody can frequent pubs and get to know their neighbours; help to destroy local rural communities by abolishing hunts; and the necessity to destroy old urban communities via 'urban regeneration'.
b) Destroy families, so you get much vague talk about being tolerant towards 'new' and varied family structures, same sex marriages, and also social welfare geared to encourage family breakdown - houses allocated first to unmarried mothers etc -, the new referendum to increase state power to break up families via vague rights given to children etc etc.
c) Destroy faith in the nation state, so at all times knock Irish people's capacity to manage anything, go on about Irish corruption (and don't talk about the much more serious levels of EU corruption, or the corruption endemic in the states where most immigrants to Ireland come from, like Eastern Europe, Nigeria and Brazil etc). Also sponsor the immigration flow to destroy the Irish sense of identity, and take a whack at the Irish language and maybe even the GAA - which is now plagued by strikes seemingly sponsored by this new players group.
d) Obviously a process of 'demoralisation' means more than anything else the stripping out of religious faith in people, and the media campaign on that front is in full swing.
e) Discredit private enterprise in order to persuade people to embrace a Communist style system, which would basically be slavery where everything would be controlled by a corrupt state and nobody would be able to own anything or do anything without it's permission etc.
(Btw this process of 'demoralisation' is further described at: In Defence of Conspiracy Theories - Indymedia Ireland . )

Then clearly what you do is see if this agenda is being suspiciously fostered by given people or groups. Btw at times you have to forget what people 'say' but rather what they actually 'do', as Ministers etc, in order to see if they follow this agenda. Unfortunately they can easily say one thing and do the opposite. No question this is not an exact science, but still you can sometimes see where some people are pushing a given agenda, or being only half hearted in opposing one.

2) Watch out for vagueness in statements etc. Believe it or not I think this is the best way to identify the real crooks. Look at Bertie Ahern for example, a very intelligent person he was nonetheless famous for his waffling, not accidentally I would suggest. Another figure famous for his waffling, and a 'media darling', was Brian Lenihan senior who had a suspicious longevity at the very high ranks of Fianna Fáil. (I think his son and namesake is quite deliberately bankrupting Ireland as part of this 'conspiracy'.) You see what is happening here is that the powers that be want to move you in a given direction, but gently because they know that if you could see the full picture you would reject it. Take for example this statement by Peter Sutherland:
"We have to learn that our identity has to be adapted to recognize that we are becoming,
and will be, a society with others in it. It is a big challenge...We have a challenge to change
people's mentality. And it's a European challenge."
Of course what he wants is for Irish people to abandon their sense of Irish identity in response to the immigration inflow, but he cannot say that explicitly because most people would reject that. So instead its mood music that sounds like vague mush but nonetheless sets the subliminal tone going in the direction he wants. That's the kind of vague unspecific talk that is the real sign of these conspirators.

In fact sometimes whole institutions or causes can get caught up in a kind of spiral of unspecific language and vague generalities, sometimes appealing to mushy human emotions like 'world peace' or 'love', e.g. Communists, especially in the former USSR, Freemasons, the Catholic Church post Vatican II, and now the EU eurobabbling! You can see the same kind of vague language used by all these groups and that is always a sign of a group in the throes of these conspirators.

3) Publicity. This is the next big way to identify these gangsters. As a general rule, they only allow the oxygen of publicity to descend on their own group. Therefore when there are any public discussions or debates its important that both parties to the debate are part of this group, because otherwise a non conspirator could get some publicity. Hence you can be sure that Declan Ganley etc are members of this clique. In fact this group wouldn't take any political step without making sure that they have a tame opposition drawn up to soak up the publicity for opposing their policies. As examples of controlled opposition I would include David McWilliams, as a white knight who saw the problem with staying in the euro, Kevin Myers, as an opponent of the immigration inflow, John Waters, in highlighting the nightmare that goes on in the family courts, David Quinn, defending the Catholic position, even imho Jim Corr as the standard bearer for 'conspiracy theorists'.
So if you are trying to figure out if so and so a person is legit, basically if they have an ongoing column in a major newspaper, or are on TV a lot, 9 times out of 10 you can be sure they are not legit. Its not 10 out of 10, its not a perfect way of identifying people, but its pretty good!
Btw they know that people are becoming more suspicious of 'media darlings' so sometimes they vary it. They can engineer some heavy duty sneering or slander in the mass media against one of their own people, to give the person credibility among groups who are suspicious of the media. A classic example I think is Declan Ganley.

4) Sometimes people involved in the Occult can actually use symbols or phrases that can identify them as such .e.g. there is the well known horned hand signal, also the Churchillian V shape; the black and red colour combination; symbols like triangles, eye shapes, pyramids and stars, both upright and inverted; and phrases and concepts like revolution, or reincarnation, and words that relate to that like butterflies - because they are transformed from caterpillars - and phoenixes.
I know a lot of people will not believe that this is any use in identifying corrupt people or groups but consider for example the current symbols used by Irish political parties and see how they have evolved over the last few years. Fine Gael's has now become a pure star, Fianna Fail's is like an inverted triangle and the Labour party emblems are big into this black and red thing. Look at the various media organs: Foxnews, CNN, Time Magazine, BBC 24 News Channel, and the Vincent Browne show all seem to use black and red now, a coincidence?

Anyway to abide by my own rules in steering away from vagueness and generality!, I think it would be better to list here my thoughts anyway on what people in Irish public life are consciously co-operating in this 'conspiracy':

Politicians
The Andrews, Mulcahy, Childers, Bruton and especially the Lenihan families. Also the Leslie family of Glaslough.

Bertie Ahern, certainly our most corrupt Taoiseach, Dermot Ahern, Noel Dempsey - second only to the Lenihan clan in his importance and malign influence -, Mary Hanafin, Micheál Martin, Dr James McDaid, Dr Rory O'Hanlon, Dick Roche, Dr Martin Mansergh, Albert Reynolds, Seán Ardagh.
Eoghan Harris (obviously a very powerful person, he, and his wife Anne, have had great influence over the big organs of the Irish media from the 70s on, particularly RTE and then the Sunday Independent, Irelands largest selling newspaper. He entered on the scene with John Bruton before he became Taoiseach, with Mary Robinson, before she became President, and now Bertie Ahern), Labhrás Ó Murchú, Paschal Mooney.
Eoin Ryan, Mary McAleese, Dr Patrick Hillery, Charlie McCreevy.

Finian McGrath, Feargal Quinn, Shane Ross, Declan Ganley, Joe Higgins, Richard Boyd Barrett, Dr Kieran Allen.

Mary Harney, Desmond O'Malley, Pat Cox, Michael McDowell.

Eamonn Gilmore, Liz McManus, Pat Rabitte, Proinsias de Rossa, Michael D Higgins, Ruari Quinn, Joe Costello, Ivana Bacik, Alex White, Mary Robinson, Fergus Finlay, Dick Spring, Dermot Lacey.

George Lee, Olivia Mitchell, Michael Noonan, Dr James Reilly, Alan Shatter, Dr Garret Fitzgerald, Alan Dukes, Peter Sutherland - arguably the most powerful of them all -, Paschal Donohoe, Dr Liam Twomey, Jim Higgins, Ivan Yates, Mary Banotti, Nora Owen.

John Gormley, Eamonn Ryan, Trevor Sargent, Deirdre de Burca.

Ian Paisley, Gerry Adams, Martin McGuinness, Mary Lou McDonald, Eamonn McCann.

Journalists
Vincent Browne
Charlie Bird
David McWilliams
George Hook
Kevin Myers
Matt Cooper
Frank Dunlop
Geraldine Kennedy
Emily O'Reilly
Fintan O'Toole
David Quinn
Brendan O'Connor
Gay Byrne
Pat Kenny
Gerry Ryan
Sean O'Rourke
Sam Smyth
Emer O'Kelly
Paul Williams
John Waters
Ray d'Arcy
Shane Dunphy
Eamon Delaney
Michael Clifford

Clerics
Fr Brian d'Arcy C.P.
Archbishop Diarmuid Martin

Businessmen
Ben Dunne

So hence an awful lot of what is going on is just a puppet show played out in the mass media between these secretly co-operating figures. For example this whole mallarkey about Deirdre de Burca and Trevor Sargent is simply an attempt - by all groups - to put credibility back into the Green party, by showing them as containing at least some upright honest people (which is why Village magazine is calling it a Greenwash, meaning a whitewash of the Green party). This is because some aspects of the Green agenda are valuable to the powers that be and they cannot have the whole concept discredited by the disillusionment felt by nearly all Irish people towards the Green party.

As regards historical figures I would certainly exclude Griffith and include Collins, de Valera and Lemass as consciously co-operating with this 'conspiracy'. Btw just to clarify again what I mean by co-operating: I think, and remember this is only my opinion, that all the above listed figures are either consciously co-operating with an Occult agenda, and knowing that it is an Occult movement, or are pawns to the 'conspiracy' in the sense of being on retainers from US, UK or EU intelligence, or are co-operating in a mistaken view that they are furthering some other 'good' cause like a secret Communist clique, or Fianna Fáil people acting like a kind of secret society. Its always possible that some groups, like old Workers Party members, continued to pursue a Communist agenda after the Cold War thinking it was in the best interests of Ireland. In fact this kind of Communist subversion is very similar to Occult thinking, as you can see in the lectures of Yuri Bezmenov for example, but some people might not realise that. I am not saying that the above people are unwitting dupes - except in the sense of the Communist and Fianna Fáil groups maybe -, I am saying they are wittingly corrupt, the unwitting dupes in politics and the media are all the rest of them!lol

Also internationally its usually felt that Woodrow Wilson was the first 20th century US President that was in 'their' pocket, and all the rest of them since him. Similarly its often felt that all 20th century UK Prime Ministers were also like this with the possible exception of Austen Chamberlain, and, very likely, Harold Wilson. As regards the Papacy most people who have studied this would include all the Popes in that category since Pope John XXIII, who convened Vatican II, with the exception of Pope John Paul I.

Well that's it, such anyway are my thoughts on what people are getting at when they refer to the 'conspiracy' working in modern Ireland.


Bibliography
If you want to find out more about this powerful cult you might like to listen to some of these links, which are mainly video or audio recordings. Btw if you are looking for some easy to follow videos I recommend you start with Norman Dodd, Aaron Russo and then maybe Stanley Monteith. After you get some knowledge of all this then you are ready for the rest of them! Its just that you might find some of this stuff difficult to follow otherwise...

Researchers into the Illuminati Cult
William Guy Carr, of the Canadian Navy and Intelligence, gave this lecture to an audience in Chicago in 1957: Internet Archive: Free Download: pawns in the game lecture .
Myron Fagan, a playwright in New York and Hollywood, recorded this as a vinyl record in 1967/8: Internet Archive: Free Download: Myron Fagan - The Illuminati and the Council on Foreign Relations .
G. Edward Griffin, started as a child actor, in insurance, and later a radio announcer in Detroit before he embarked on a political and film producing career. He was also a writer for Wallace's vice presidential candidate during the 1968 election. Pretty incredibly he has been researching this issue since 1959 and is still giving interviews on the subject in 2009! In 1972 he brought out this video called "The Capitalist Conspiracy" which raises the prospect that US politics, at least, is dominated by the cult known as the Illuminati: [ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z7BwxSVsJMo"]YouTube- The Capitalist Conspiracy Part 1 by G. Edward Griffin[/ame] .
Norman Dodd, previously a New York banker during the Depression - an era he describes - was the chief investigator for a 1950s Congressional Inquiry into the endowment foundations in the US i.e. Carnegie, Ford, Guggenheim etc. As such this account doesn't include references to the Occult but if you are looking for 'proofs of a conspiracy', as it were, this 1982 interview is an amazing insight into the way that these foundations seized control over US education, and used it to pursue Communist aims: Illuminati: The Hidden Agenda for World Government .
Yuri Bezmenov, defected from the KGB in India in the 70s and while his talk, recorded in LA in 1985, isn't on the Occult as such it does describe the Communist subversion of society, which works like the Occult and he says is currently practised on the US: Internet Archive: Free Download: KGB Psycological Warfare Subversion & Control of Western Society .
Dr John Coleman, who was working for MI6 in Angola when he tripped across this cult and later did decades of research on it in the British Library, gave this lecture on the subject: Wake up America! - Dr. John Coleman (Illuminati, Committee of 300) .
Fr Andrew O'Brien, originally from Cork then of the Philippines and later resided at the HQ of the Columban fathers at Dalgan Park Co. Meath, recorded 8 cassette tapes on this subject in 1992/3 called "Build Youself an Ark": Internet Archive: Free Download: Deep understanding of the New World Order conspiracy . He died in 2008 as you can read here: http://www.columban.com/obit_andy_obrien.html .
Fritz Springmeier, probably the most famous researcher on this subject, authored a number of important books on this topic and also gave some details on it in a 1997 lecture at the Global Science Conference at Tampa Florida: Fritz Springmeier - Undetectable Mind Control and also see him being interviewed on the TV show There4Iam in Austin Texas by Jeff Contrares: Fritz Springmeier on T4Iam .
Dr Stanley Monteith, a Californian medical doctor who became interested in this subject when he read a book called 'The Invisible Government', written by an ex FBI agent in the early 60s, and gave this lecture in the 90s: Secrets of the Illuminati Revealed - Stanley Monteith - conspiracy new world order excellent .

Whistle blowers who accidentally tripped across the Illuminati
George Washington Hunt, a businessman, and ex Naval officer, who accidentally attended the World Wilderness Conference in Colorado in 1987: Internet Archive: Free Download: George Hunt - The New World Bank, Religion, and Rulers of the World .
Aaron Russo, a film producer who did films like 'Trading Places', and who was befriended by Nick Rockefeller: Historic Interview with Aaron Russo, Fighting Cancer and the New World Order . He also ran for Governor of Nevada and got 30% of the vote.
Paul A Drockton, tripped across the Illuminati while working for an insurance company in Utah, as he describes here: Dead Man Musings: Illuminati Enemies: Part 1 . He has a radio show here: pdrockton.ma on Blog Talk Radio - Page: 5 .
Anthony Santamaria, from Melbourne, interviewed at about 14 minutes in on the Paul Drockton Radio Show 17/03/2010: The Paul Drockton Radio Show 3/17/2010 - Dead Man Musings on Blog Talk Radio . He tripped across this kind of organisation when his son was abused by Satanists.


Illuminati whistle blowers
'Svali', who started leaving this cult in San Diego in 1992, was interviewed by Dr Greg Syzmanski on the Investigative Journal: Interview with Svali--Illuminati Defector--part 1 of 2 . Her online book is here: Ritual Abuse Articles .
John Todd, who broke off from a senior position in the Occult in the 70s, which is when he recorded this lecture: Internet Archive: Free Download: John Todd Former Illuminati Occult Member Gives Testimony Of Involvement In Witchcraft .
Bill Schnoebelen, who left this cult in 1984, as he describes in this lecture: Exposing the Illuminati from Within. Part 1 - Bill Schnoebelen . This speech reflects the American style of up front religious expressions, which I know might not be to everybody's tastes, but if you persist in listening to this it does explain, clearly and in some detail, the usual thinking of Occultists. Another interview with him is available here: Bill Schnoebelen - Interview with an ExVampire: A True Story - Part 1 .
Cisco Wheeler, in a 1998 interview by Wayne Morris on the 11th Jan 1998: Radio Interview with Cisco Wheeler, Former Illuminati Mind Control Programmer . Wayne Morris also interviewed Fritz Springmeier, who helped Cisco Wheeler leave the occult, as can be read here: Fritz Springmeier Interview pt.1 .
Doc Marquis, who left in 1979 and later gave a lecture recorded at: [ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gTGADyAUhEM"]YouTube- Doc Marquis---Arrival of the Antichrist part 1[/ame] .
Carolyn Hamlett (her blog is at beyondthephysicalrealm.com ), interviewed by Josh Reeves c.28 minutes in at: Internet Archive: Free Download: Best of the Global Reality - 10-17-8 - Illuminati Defector, Solar Brotherhood, Joan Veon, Operation Mockingbird . She is also interviewed on blogtalkradio at hamlett talk radio podcast . She worked on the 'spiritual' side of this cult, channeling demons and plotting against Christianity etc but not too much involved in political scheming.
'Mary Anne', interviewed by Dr Henry Makow: http://www.henrymakow.com/broadcasts/Makow_1_092108maryanne.mp3 .
Duncan O'Finioan, who is not saying he was in the Occult but he was given that brain/mind programming that is described above. He was given the same kind of treatment that this Occult group practice but in his case by the US military and CIA, interviewed at: [ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6pU2cvFpJ5k"]YouTube- Super Soldado Duncan O'Finioan ( 1 de 8 )[/ame] .
 
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Right so what do you suggest we do?
 

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Eoghanact: Right so what do you suggest we do?

Well I suppose I should make the boring obvious point :) that knowledge is power anyway and the more people that can see through whats going on the less effective these artificial political theatrical games become.

For example the latest media storm blown up to humiliate religious people centres on the concept that Church figures should have informed state agencies about the allegations at an earlier stage. In otherwords they want Church figures to be state informers (completely contrary to all traditions of Canon Law as one courageous professor pointed out) which is actually designed also to help in the breakup of community structures, another of their aims. A 1956 description by Major William E. Mayer of Communist tactics used to break up the sense of community among US prisoners of war in North Korea: [ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tlAN9Myb-Rk"]YouTube- Brainwashing The Ultimate Weapon, Major William E. Mayer, October 4, 1956 (part 1)[/ame] , describes how the use of informers destroys communities. Notice too how constant 'apologies' and public confessions given to a group were also used to break up the community structure and compare that to the litany of apologetic language we are treated to by the Church at this time.

The Pope's letter is really an example of the kind of unspecific mush language that I was talking about but it does include very repetitive references to: 'self-examination', 'renewal', 'purified', 'new beginning', 'rebirth', 'new springtime', the kind of talk that is central to Occult terminology. Basically the idea is to humiliate those that are proud of the traditional church by subliminally getting them to think they need a kind of 'new' church and faith. You wouldn't need a new one unless there was something wrong with the old one. And what right does he have to talk about Ireland's great struggle from the 16th century onwards when you consider that that was against Protestants and yet he is constantly moving the church in modern times to resemble Protestantism, which makes a mockery of the sacrifices Irish people made in those centuries.

Anyway thats just another example of the kind of puppet show that goes on, the facts of the case are not important, because they just lie about those things anyway, what is important is the mood music and where it leads the people.

Other than becoming educated about these things I think it would be great if even a small group could form to oppose what is going on now in Ireland. I was thinking that the best model would be to try and unite all, or nearly all, the ex Lisbon II No campaigners because I think that issue tended to attract all the really sincere Irish political activitists. Even if it was only a small group, say 10 people meeting every so often in Dublin, it could still achieve a lot I think.

Fógra (as Con Houlihan would say!): I just wanted to point out that I can read but cannot reply to PMs, because I have less than 100 posts, but I would just like to thank sincerely those that wrote anyways. Btw anybody is welcome to copy all the above text and post it wherever they like, I don't mind at all.
 

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Who are 'they' exactly?
You missed Bono in your list, if he isn't involved in the New World Order movement then this country has nobody involved in it, sharing a Time Person of the Year with Gates is about as NWO as it gets.

As for the illuminati historically, it should be apparent even to sceptics that the appearance of all that occult symbolism on the back of the US dollar needs some explaining.

You enter into a long 20 year or so process of stripping out the morals in the general public - he calls that 'demoralisation' - in order to help to create a population who have a kind of blank slate that these people can then write on, so to speak. This stage takes a long time because the education system is one of the important elements of it and you have to wait for the generation that you educated to come into political power. I will describe this in more detail below.
Obviously the attack on religion is somewhat forced and contrived, the RCC has survived for millenia through enormous turbulence so eroding it would have to require a more proactive approach (the child abuse scandals are serious of course but it seems more than likely that how this important issue is being communicated has been hijacked by these forces of aggressive anticatholicism), multiculturalism/immigration they are happy to leave as quietly as possible so long as it is continuing (though in some countries the message on that issue is also aggressively promoting of multiculturalism and race-replacement ideology) with other changes they are happy enough to just set out their stall and know that people will choose their wares (eg abortion, divorce, the vapidity of celeb worship).

There are good reasons for global cooperation too and maybe even for the concept of global security, for example stopping another Rwanda....

Human population growth rates are unsustainable.
Increasing industrial-economic activity and effects on environment need action (effects including loss of species, deforestation, desertification).
Dangers of evolving technology (it has been suggested that with the progress taking place in biotechnology one day it may become disturbingly easy to develop a genetically engineered pathogen).

Not all global cooperatism and internationalism and is sinister... however without a doubt people like Kissinger, Rockefeller and George Soros set alarm bells ringing and for good reason (especially the first of them, an absolutely cretinous specimen of humanity).

A New World Order could evolve a racist future in which capitalism has become extreme again with mulatto slave plantations drawn from our descendants scattered across the world with total control over them wielded by elites (who would be different from them in some fundamental way - likely to be racial, possibly genetic)... or it could lead to a vision of a better planet like in Star Trek with technology providing liberation, social problems a thing of the past, elimination of war and full cultural immersion etc. There are arguments for suggesting why either of them is more likely to come about (one of the optimistic arguments is that things were generally much less egalitarian and more brutal in the past so the direction has been towards more justice, human rights etc, well for most of us anyway (not for the people of say Somalia or Congo), Stephen Pinker is an exponent of this argument, to counter that though the fact that things have gotten better for most people doesn't preclude the possibility that the curve will radically change shape again and go the opposite way).
 

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If your post got as many pm messages as it deserved then your mailbox was full.

It is excellent.

Destiny Soldier is another outstanding poster on these topics. I for one will be using your material as well.

Thanks a million.
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Well, Henry sure got that prediction wrong, didn't he?

Maybe his new world order was for more ham 'n eggs? Two pints of Heineiken, a diet Coke and a packet of crisps?
 

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nuckin futs
 

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The first page of this thread is excellent.

Some of the videos are pretty interesting. People should also watch the Trial of Henry Kissinger, made by BBC I think, based on Hitchens book (which should made the Dawkins fan boys here happy).

I could not resist adding this one (sends a shiver up my spine every time):

[ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7a9Syi12RJo"]YouTube- New World Order[/ame]
 

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scolairebocht-very good thread, but I have a few questions. You've practically named everybody of note in Irish society; is there anybody outside this nexus, any good guys left? For instance, you mention Ganley as being in on it, but he opposed Lisbon II. Even Jim Corr, I thought he was against NWO. How about contries-are there any countries not in on the scam, China, Japan, Iran,and the Muslim world in general? And finally, how closely are internet communications monitored by agents of NWO? Go raibh maith agat, a chara.
 
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scolairebocht-very good thread, but I have a few questions. You've practically named everybody of note in Irish society; is there anybody outside this nexus, any good guys left? For instance, you mention Ganley as being in on it, but he opposed Lisbon II. Even Jim Corr, I thought he was against NWO. How about contries-are there any countries not in on the scam, China, Japan, Iran,and the Muslim world in general? And finally, how closely are internet communications monitored by agents of NWO? Go raibh maith agat, a chara.
This is my opinion. Russia was until recently believed by the Western power brokers to be under their thumb. They fed them and financed them and cuuld have cut off supplies at any time.

However the Russians have tricked them and milked them well. Puter told Kissinger, Rubin, Nunn and the others in that group to screw in the summer of 2008 when they came to tell him how to act when they attacked Iran. The carriers were all in position

Now Putin is strong.

China as well will go it alone.

So we have 3 power blocks and the West is the weakest of the 3.


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sociopaths

Once you realise that the elite shaping world events are top heavy with psychopaths/sociopaths the insanity in the world starts to make sense. Approx. 1% of the population (conservatively) are sociopathic. These people are morally insane but are able to disguise it and rise to the top through their ruthlessness making them very dangerous.

If you look past the trademark hyperbole of Alex Jones this is a good recent interview talking about the subject.

[ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P1zLsXOmnoE"]YouTube- Alan Watt Talks About Fabian Technocracy and America's Endgame on The Alex Jones Show 7/8[/ame]

[ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nzbYbKGT4rk"]YouTube- Alan Watt Talks About Fabian Technocracy and America's Endgame on The Alex Jones Show 8/8[/ame]

Have any of you guys watched the movie "They Live"? - I believe John Carpenter was trying to warn us about the psychopathic elite and the NWO by using the metaphor of aliens.

[nomedia="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BA8drfZwnXQ&feature="]YouTube- They Live - The moment of revelation[/nomedia]

[ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5TWQgGSdB4U"]YouTube- Psychopaths in Marketing pt 1[/ame]

[ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zA9-RB3runE"]YouTube- Psychopath - Psychopaths - Documentary - [part 1][/ame]


http://www.politics.ie/economy/98184-some-ceos-sociopaths.html

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Excellent post scolairebocht - substantial, well reasoned and even with footnotes. I wasn't going to write on this board any more but when a decent piece of writing appears which is of far greater quality than the chat-room juvenilia most often encountered here it should be congratulated.

Agreed and since this post is dated February 2009 I can't say I blame you either.
 

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YouTube- Doc Marquis---Arrival of the Antichrist part 12
if you listen to part twelve he describes exactly what is happening in ireland at this moment in relation to getting control of property..
 

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YouTube- Doc Marquis---Arrival of the Antichrist part 12
if you listen to part twelve he describes exactly what is happening in ireland at this moment in relation to getting control of property..
One can get a bit suspicious of truth tellers who talk as if the NWO is a fait accompli . They may be in the ‘endgame’ but it doesn't mean they have all in the bag either. Technology has helped to break some of their almost total control on information dissemination and that can't be good for them. There are more and more becoming aware ever day around the world.
 

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It is far from in the bag. I opined in the other long running thread that the tide has turned. I hear plenty of people calling in to mainstream radio shows and they can hold their own on the air. Some hosts like guest host Senator(state) Robert Hedlund are quite receptive. He is on WRKO sometimes which is one of the biggest stations in New England.

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The election of Obama was a godsend
Yes, but only for the NWO! Anybody who buys the controlled right-left staged puppet show still doesn't get it.
 


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