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Hezzbollah try to evade Al Hariri murder blame.


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Its been years in the coming but the probe into the assasination Lebanons Rafik al Hariri is believed to be close to calling for the arrest of several Hezzbollah members for the murder.

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'UN court to implicate Hezbollah' - Middle East - Al Jazeera English

To date Hezzbollah has tried to deflect blame by claiming, before the UN panel released its findings, that rouge Hezzbollah members killed Al-Hariri. Nasrallah described them as "undisciplined members". Now Nasrallah has gone further in trying to deflect blame. Isreal (suprise suprise) is supposed to be responsible according to the Hezzbollah head:

Israel implicated over Hariri death - Middle East - Al Jazeera English

Nasrallah and Hezzbollah have botched this one. Denied all culpability in the killing of their chief Lebanese political rival, thrown their own members to the wolves, and now by extension labelled their own "undisciplined members" as Israeli spies. Nasrallah has gotten (with threats obviously) current PM Hariri to accept that if Hezzbollah members are found responsbile, then their actions are not associated to Hezzbollah(?). This because as Nasrallah put it, the investigation has "pushed Lebanon into a sensitive phase", a phase one assumes where Hezzbollah are prepared to go further with violence if held accountable for their murder of the Lebanese PM.

Nasrallah has accused Israel of trying to drive a wedge between Hezzbollah and the Beirut government. A wedge of some sort between the Lebanese government and the gun being held to their head by Hezzbollah would probably be most welcome, but there is no Israel to blame now. Not this time. Unless Nasrallah has serious proof which he claims to have, but has till now not bothered shwoing. Globally Hezzbollah with it is sponsors are to stand accused of political murder at a time when the factions in Lebanon were at peace.

The recent conferance in Lebanon saw Syria and Saudi Arabia attend. Two backers of different factions in Lebanon arrive for a conferance with the Lebanese government. Hezzbollah was not invited, neither was Iran. Syria it seems is at a crossroads and have already chosen its path. Interesting times ahead, just hope they are peaceful.
 


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I always suspected Mossad was involved in the murder of the Lebanese president, after he was murdered the Americans and the Isrealis blamed the Syrians which led to the withdrawal of the Syrian military from Lebanon. This was a key strategic objective of the Isrealis, the UN investigation blamed the Syrians too, possibly due to US pressure, but it was not in Syrias interest to murderthe president, while the Isrealis had the most to gain a disjointed bickering opposition as opposed to a united opposition in Lebannon suits them.
 

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A confident man! I'm surprised the UN tribunal hasn't been in touch with you.:rolleyes: Then again, do we need the tribunal at all, since its all so open and shut.
 

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Best Essay on the story by far is written here at SOTT.net.

Mossad Murders Former Lebanese PM in Carbon Copy of 1979 Assassination -- Signs of the Times News


Mossad killed Hariri.
"What other reason can there be for the fact that Iran and Syria were the only two countries to even hint at Israel as being behind the murder of Rafik Hariri on Valentine's day 2005?

Indeed, one of the strongest indications of an Israeli involvement in the murder of Hariri is the fact that not ONE mainstream news source is even mentioning the possibility of Israeli involvement
..."

Sweet Jesus.
 

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I always suspected Mossad was involved in the murder of the Lebanese president, after he was murdered the Americans and the Isrealis blamed the Syrians which led to the withdrawal of the Syrian military from Lebanon. This was a key strategic objective of the Isrealis, the UN investigation blamed the Syrians too, possibly due to US pressure, but it was not in Syrias interest to murderthe president, while the Isrealis had the most to gain a disjointed bickering opposition as opposed to a united opposition in Lebannon suits them.
So suspician of Syrias involvement was alone enough to get Syria to end its three decade occupation of Lebanon? Hardly credable. Given the ease with which they accepted the demand to withdraw there is a question mark over how much Syria itself knew about the killing of Rafik al Hariri. And lets be serious, if there was credable evidence that either Hezzbollah or Syria had that pointed to Isreal, they would have presented it without a seconds delay. As it is its taken 5 years for Hezzbollah to come up with some dateless ariel footage they claim was Israeli of the scene near Hariris assasination and Syria has kept its trap shut and still does.

I agree with you, it was not in Syrias interests to see Hariri killed. But no one is blaming Syria. Their will to extracate themselves from potential implication by association probably had alot to do with the rapidity of their withdrawel from Lebanon. They did'ent even clean up the mass graves behind their security centres. Even back then it seemed clear that Syria was signalling to Hezzbollah that in this they were on their own. The assasination of Rafik Al Hariri destroyed Syrias influence in Lebanon, something it is now rebuilding without Hezzbollahs involvement.
 

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Isn't Israels involvement supposed to hinge on the presence in Lebanons telephone system of Mossad agents ? Supposedly the bomb requires some sophisticated timing.
 

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I read the news today oh boy...

I always suspected Mossad was involved in the murder of the Lebanese president, after he was murdered the Americans and the Isrealis blamed the Syrians which led to the withdrawal of the Syrian military from Lebanon. This was a key strategic objective of the Isrealis, the UN investigation blamed the Syrians too, possibly due to US pressure, but it was not in Syrias interest to murderthe president, while the Isrealis had the most to gain a disjointed bickering opposition as opposed to a united opposition in Lebannon suits them.
oh ffs. And the Jews stole my bike. And come to think of it, where did the remote go for the tv? I bet it was those pesky...
Sometimes it's not the quiet ones you have to watch. It's the guy waving around the chainsaw shouting god is great.
 

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oh ffs. And the Jews stole my bike. And come to think of it, where did the remote go for the tv? I bet it was those pesky...
Sometimes it's not the quiet ones you have to watch. It's the guy waving around the chainsaw shouting god is great.
Not saying its carved in stone or anything but for what it's worth...
Rannie Amiri: The Hariri Assassination
 

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Not saying its carved in stone or anything but for what it's worth...
Rannie Amiri: The Hariri Assassination
Much of it seems to be constructed on Nasrallahs say so and the premise that Israel must be somehow involved. On the face of it its possible to say that Hezzbollah have not gained anything from the assasination, but that does not preclude the possibility they would gain something.

With the pro-Syrian government falling after the assasination of al Hariri and Syrias withdrawel, Hezzbollah became a major political power base in Lebanon surplanting Syria. So nothing gained? Quite alot gained in fact and no Syria having a final say any more.

Its also easy to point out that Hezzbollah had nothing to gain from igniting a war with Israel in 2005; yet they did just that and as an extension of them becoming a major political one they also become one answerable to no one; evidenced by the fact they are still an armed group despite the fact Lebanon has a standing army and Hezzbollah agreed to disarm. Hezzbollah, not Syria, is a major pole in Lebanons multi-party state, weilding power out of all proportion to its electoral support. So much so that Nassrallah can get the current PM to agree that Hezzbollah will not be held accountable for the murder of Rafik Al Hariri even if its fighters are responsible for such a well planned and concealed act of assasination.

We should not also forget that this investigation started in Syria and is expected to end with the indictment of Hezzbollah members. In all that is about to unfold Syrian intelligence could be the main evidence against Hezzbollah, hence the recent bridge building excercise between Hariri and Syrias' Assad recently.
 

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Nasrallah is hiding underground like the maggot he is and he has to keep changing bunkers in an effort to stop the Israelis getting him. He's a dead man squirming underground now and he should realise that hiding in bunkers in Lebanon is not going to save him, especially if a UN tribunal is expected to indict some Hezbollah members of having killed the current Lebanese PM's father. He can make all the wild accusations he likes, but his days are numbered......and it won't be the Israelis that get him
 

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Nasrallah is hiding underground like the maggot he is and he has to keep changing bunkers in an effort to stop the Israelis getting him. He's a dead man squirming underground now and he should realise that hiding in bunkers in Lebanon is not going to save him, especially if a UN tribunal is expected to indict some Hezbollah members of having killed the current Lebanese PM's father. He can make all the wild accusations he likes, but his days are numbered......and it won't be the Israelis that get him
The Hezbos are ruining Lebanon and they are being backed to the hilt by Iran and Syria. I note the crack pots on saying Mossad killed Hariri. It is amzing how people ignore the obvious. The Lebanese need to root our Hezbollah but they will need help to do it. A quiet word in Christian ears from the IDF with backing from Uncle Sam and a short (but bloody) campaign should do the trick.
 

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The Hezbos are ruining Lebanon and they are being backed to the hilt by Iran and Syria. I note the crack pots on saying Mossad killed Hariri. It is amzing how people ignore the obvious. The Lebanese need to root our Hezbollah but they will need help to do it. A quiet word in Christian ears from the IDF with backing from Uncle Sam and a short (but bloody) campaign should do the trick.
A post which shows a stunning ignorance of Lebanese realities and a lust for Muslim blood.

It seems to have evaded your attention that your Israeli friends (backed by "Uncle Sam") tried a not very short but VERY bloody campaign against Hizballah four years ago and failed miserably. Besides, many of the Christians you seem to assume are natural allies of "Uncle Sam' have cooperated with Hizballah. Also, while it's a standard propaganda line to portray any organisation which doesn't toe the Israele/US line is simply a puppet of Iran or Syria, the fact is that Hizballah have enormous support among the Shias (the largest sect in Lebanon) and considerable support amongst other Sects too.

Sadly it seems that fantasies about the Middle East did not exit along with Bush and Blair.
 

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It seems to have evaded your attention that your Israeli friends (backed by "Uncle Sam") tried a not very short but VERY bloody campaign against Hizballah four years ago and failed miserably.
Yes. They tried an air war with ground offensive. A half hearted attempt that was bound to fail.

Besides, many of the Christians you seem to assume are natural allies of "Uncle Sam' have cooperated with Hizballah.
True because they are left with little choice. If they were to be given the chance to eradicate Hizbollah many would take it.

Also, while it's a standard propaganda line to portray any organisation which doesn't toe the Israele/US line is simply a puppet of Iran or Syria, the fact is that Hizballah have enormous support among the Shias (the largest sect in Lebanon) and considerable support amongst other Sects too.
No doubting their support and no one would have a problem with them if they were a legitimate political p[arty. They have an armed wing that is backed by Syria and Iran which is entirely unnecessary and is there to advance Iran's Shia revolution.

Sadly it seems that fantasies about the Middle East did not exit along with Bush and Blair.
Bush and Blair have left. Get over it. The fact that the same trouble makers are making trouble and the same hate mongers are still peddling the hate demonstrated to me that contrary to left wing pc cuckoo-land world views the anti-Western Islamic supremacist ideology was before they came on the scene and is still there after they have left.
 

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What a load of absolute nonsense

1) What possible motive would Hezbollah have to kill Harari?

(In answer to the points raised by a previous poster: the pro-Syrian government in power at the time were big allies of Hezbollah, their overthrow wouldnt have been an aim of the organisation and Hezbollah's purpose in attacking Israel in 06 was to free prisoners - something they achieved)

2) What similar operations had they run before (ie targetting domestic lebanese figures)

3) How come earlier drafts of the enquiry blamed Syria?

Israel was the main beneficiary of the Harari assassination, however that is not to say they were behind it. I think even Israel would have had problems organising the logistics of this without being discovered.

Syria, on the other hand, was in a much better position.

Those genuinely interested should read "The Killing of Mr Lebanon" by Nicholas Blanford.

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Sorry you are wrong on a number of fronts.
One of Hezbollahs biggest allies is the largest Christian party - that of General Michael Aoun.
They arent forced to be Hezbollah's allies - they could have chosen to oppose them, as other Christians did.

Hezbollah are certainly backed by Syria and Iran, but I fail to see evidence they want to turn Lebanon into a branch of Iran. I would be interested in seeing some if you have it, but the way they make allegiances across sectarian divides tend to undermine that idea.
 

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L'Chaim:
"Nasrallah is hiding underground like the maggot he is and he has to keep changing bunkers in an effort to stop the Israelis getting him. He's a dead man squirming underground now "

No offence- but I'm not sure what your point is here. He is a wanted figure to a regime with probably the best assassination capability on the planet, as well as complete air superiority. Criticising him for hiding in a bunker is a bit like criticising a Northern Irish politician for checking under his car....

Sorry for the large number of posts btw
 

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Yes. They tried an air war with ground offensive. A half hearted attempt that was bound to fail.
"Half hearted"? So 1000 Lebanese dead and, according to the moron Olmert 'half of Lebanon destroyed' is not enough for you? And the ground offensive only existed because the usual Israeli tactic of indiscriminate bombing didn't work and the pampered teenagers of the Israeli 'army' actually had to put boots on the ground. And you talk of a 'short but bloody war' doing the trick? LOL!

True because they are left with little choice. If they were to be given the chance to eradicate Hizbollah many would take it
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Here you go again with your fantasies of 'eradicating' a very popular party. Lebanon is a country with sectarianism written into its constition, but Hizballah are, if anything, the least sectarian party in the land. No doubt many in Lebanon would love to 'eradicate' their rivals but things don't work like that. Your 'quiet word in Christian ears' followed by a nice bloody campaign (your words) shows, as I say, a view of the Middle East based on bloody fantasy, not reality.

No doubting their support and no one would have a problem with them if they were a legitimate political p[arty. They have an armed wing that is backed by Syria and Iran which is entirely unnecessary and is there to advance Iran's Shia revolution.
"Unneccessary" according to who? The Lebanese army is a joke - they made tea for the Israeli invaders in 2006. Many in Lebanon would argue that the only thing preventing complete domination by Israel is Hizballah. Remember it was Hizballah that ended Israel's illegal 20 year occupation of South Lebanon. If Lebanon had a competent army prepared to use force against any and all invaders you could argue that the armed wing of Hizballah (and many Lebanese parties have had armed wings, albeit not as competent as Hizballah's) were unnneccessary. But that is not the case.

And of course Hizballah have foreign backers - ALL Lebanese parties do. Hariri is a Saudi citizen who grew up there and had to be coached in the Lebanese dialect. His party, along with its armed thugs, receives generous support from KSA, among others. However, wishing away Hizballah as a mere 'puppet' shows a stubborn unwillingness to acknowledge that popular, democrtically expressed opinion in the Middle East doesn't play along with Western/Zionist interersts in the region.

Bush and Blair have left.
Yes, but it seems their manifestly failed policy of 'remaking' the Middle East to US/Israeli interests - using the type of short but bloody (to Arabs, that is, not to the US or Israeli soldiers in their expensive military hardware) - still lingers on in the minds of many.

The fact that the same trouble makers are making trouble and the same hate mongers are still peddling the hate demonstrated to me that contrary to left wing pc cuckoo-land world views the anti-Western Islamic supremacist ideology was before they came on the scene and is still there after they have left.
Pure gold. Aside from the fact that the syntax and thought processes are obscure in the extreme.
 

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What a load of absolute nonsense

1) What possible motive would Hezbollah have to kill Harari?

(In answer to the points raised by a previous poster: the pro-Syrian government in power at the time were big allies of Hezbollah, their overthrow wouldnt have been an aim of the organisation and Hezbollah's purpose in attacking Israel in 06 was to free prisoners - something they achieved)

2) What similar operations had they run before (ie targetting domestic lebanese figures)

3) How come earlier drafts of the enquiry blamed Syria?

Israel was the main beneficiary of the Harari assassination, however that is not to say they were behind it. I think even Israel would have had problems organising the logistics of this without being discovered.

Syria, on the other hand, was in a much better position.

Those genuinely interested should read "The Killing of Mr Lebanon" by Nicholas Blanford.

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Good post. The fact is that nobody knows who killed Hariri, and we may never do so. The UN sponsored enquiry wasn't so much designed to find the culprit as to implicate Syria, but despite this aim, and all their resources, they have been unable to do so.

Which is not to say Syria (or a rogue element in the regime) was not guilty of the crime. They may have been, even though it's hard to see what they stood to gain from it. But Israel may also have been guilty. Or Hizballah. Or any number of other players both in and outside Lebanon. In the abcence of evidence one way or the other, those who claim they know for sure who was guility are simply choosing a culprit to suit their own viewpoint.

He is a wanted figure to a regime with probably the best assassination capability on the planet
Yup - such a great capability that they've succeeded in assasinating Nasrallah, Mishael (remember that poison farce in Amman?) and Haniyah. Oh wait.....

Seriously, let's not be a part of the Mossad's only genuinely world class devision - its PR dept.
 

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Hi Interista
Thanks. I liked your post too :)

You are probably right on the tribunal. I happen to think that Syria was the most likely culprit. Certainly if Hezb had performed it, the Syrians would know, and consequently there is no way they would have taken the rap for it and withdrawn their troops in 05.

Re: the assassinations and Mossad
While you are right that Mossad has had its share of defeats, been infiltrated and had its plots discovered etc, I would still argue that it has a strong assassination department.

OK it hasnt killed Narulla and failed to kill Mishal, but its killed countless enemies in hostile territory. The assassination of Mughniyeh took some doing as did that of Salameh to think historically. Its also killed quite a few other Hezbollah members in Lebanon over time.

By the way, if you are interested in this stuff I would recommend "The Secret War on Iran" by Ronen Bergman. It has an Israeli bias but is extremely well researched/informed.
 

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