HIA report on abuse in NI released

Cruimh

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As previously mentioned, Report due this month has now been released :


https://www.hiainquiry.org/historical-institutional-abuse-inquiry-report-chapters


Shocking historical child abuse in NI outlined in report | UTV - ITV News


Shocking instances of historical child abuse in institutions in Northern Ireland have been outlined in the findings of the region's four-year inquiry into mistreatment of residents.
Probe chairman Sir Anthony Hart announced the conclusions of the wide-ranging report in Belfast - a statement that was due to last in excess of two hours.
The retired judge is dealing with the 22 church, state and charity-run homes in sequence.


At the start of his statement, he said 189 former residents came forward from four homes run by nuns in the Sisters of Nazareth Order to make allegations of maltreatment.
He said some nuns engaged in "physical and emotional abuse" of children, with the "denigration and humiliation" of residents widespread.


Turning to a home run by the Catholic De La Salle order, Sir Anthony said children were subject to "excessive physical punishment" and fell victim to "physical assaults".
He said "systemic" physical, emotional and sexual abuse took place at the De La Salle run St Patrick's Training School in Belfast.
He said children were often humiliated, such as being stripped of their clothes and forced to stand naked.


Sir Anthony said there was evidence of "corporal punishment" and staff sexually abusing girls at the Rathgael Training School in Bangor.


In regard to the Good Shepherd Sisters facilities in Belfast, Londonderry and Newry, the retired judge said there had been "unacceptable practices" of young girls being forced to do industrial work in the laundries.


In Lissue House, Lisburn, he said there was an unacceptable use of physical restraints, use of injections to sedate children, some children sexually abused and emotional abuse by "unfeeling" staff.


The inquiry also found failings by the Diocese of Down and Connor, the County Welfare Authorities/Health and Social Services Board, the Ministry of Home Affairs/ Department of Health and Social Services and local and statutory authorities.


The inquiry also investigated the events at the notorious boys' home at Kincora in East Belfast.


It investigated persistent claims that intelligence agencies covered up the crimes committed by a paedophile ring in the home in the 1970s in order to blackmail some alleged high-profile abusers from within the British Establishment.


Sir Anthony said there is "no credible evidence" to support allegations that a such a paedophile ring existed.
Ahead of outlining his conclusions on the home, Sir Anthony said the Government's assurance that all files and evidence would be given to the inquiry had been "honoured".


Sir Anthony said police investigations into Kincora in the mid-1970s were "inept, inadequate and far from thorough".
He said authorities and police in Belfast were guilty of a "catalogue of failures" and said if a proper investigation had been undertaken many victims might have been spared.
The release of the report got lost in the excitement of events in the USA and around Martin McGuinness.
 


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Not in the Northern Ireland Forum Cruimh? And you so particular in this respect ... it certainly was reported down here widely.
 

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That took way too long to uncover and report.
 

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Not in the Northern Ireland Forum Cruimh? And you so particular in this respect ...
The strange thing is that even though I'm not concerned particularly if the border stays or goes I'm a "Two Nationist" while Cruimh isn't at all. He is also a lot less attached to and interested in Britain than I am. His idea of Britishness is Anti-Catholicism.

During Jacobite riots in 18 th century England which happened on pretty large scales one of the first thing that the lads would do was round on Quakers and give them a good battering, while I disapprove of that I cant help but find it perfectly understandable.
 

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Those nordies are not the saints they think they are, noy.
 

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The apologies are ... interesting:


Archbishop Martin said: apologised for the "sins and crimes of the past"

Sisters of Nazareth order said: "The standard of care fell below what was expected - our deepest regret ... "

De La Salle Order "[We] ... previously acknowledged that some of its members and lay staff abused innocent victims"

Norbertine Order acknowledged the "tragic harm and hurt caused to innocent children by Brendan Smyth, a deceased member of our community"

Sisters of St. Louis are [apparently] "saddened that any child suffered while under our care"

The Diocese of Down and Connor said: "The Diocese of Down and Connor apologises wholeheartedly, unconditionally and unreservedly to all those who have suffered abuse as a result of any failing on the part of a representative of this diocese."

The Congregation of Our Lady of Charity of the Good Shepherd said: "We apologise unreservedly to those former residents whose care fell short of what they needed and deserved."

The Church is [probably] taking the advice of Bishop Kevin Doran, who said last year that the abuse apologies by the Church went too far and implies that the Church itself is now a victim. "" .. we have tended to apologise too much for that and we’ve gone the other way. "" Source
 

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The apologies are ... interesting:


Archbishop Martin said: apologised for the "sins and crimes of the past"

Sisters of Nazareth order said: "The standard of care fell below what was expected - our deepest regret ... "

De La Salle Order "[We] ... previously acknowledged that some of its members and lay staff abused innocent victims"

Norbertine Order acknowledged the "tragic harm and hurt caused to innocent children by Brendan Smyth, a deceased member of our community"

Sisters of St. Louis are [apparently] "saddened that any child suffered while under our care"

The Diocese of Down and Connor said: "The Diocese of Down and Connor apologises wholeheartedly, unconditionally and unreservedly to all those who have suffered abuse as a result of any failing on the part of a representative of this diocese."

The Congregation of Our Lady of Charity of the Good Shepherd said: "We apologise unreservedly to those former residents whose care fell short of what they needed and deserved."

The Church is [probably] taking the advice of Bishop Kevin Doran, who said last year that the abuse apologies by the Church went too far and implies that the Church itself is now a victim. "" .. we have tended to apologise too much for that and we’ve gone the other way. "" Source
They should be disbanded the shower of kants.
 

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They should be disbanded the shower of kants.
It's quite amazing that their assets haven't been seized and the Orders run off the island! Considering the excoriation Fr. Flanagan (Boystown) received when he visited this island and complained bitterly about the state of vulnerable children in State care ....
 

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The apologies are ... interesting:


Archbishop Martin said: apologised for the "sins and crimes of the past"...


Funny how our church who taught us how to behave can't see that apologise = wrongdoing = redress = compensation from its deep pockets.


But not from Rome, because there's a brilliant cop out from the guys who make the rules. This HIA is nordy stuff, and not "at the level of the holy see".

https://www.bostonglobe.com/opinion/columns/2014/02/10/united-nations-vatican-city-what-now-pope-francis/iwcJ7PnJqwwWsEjZhTd4wO/story.html


Washing the Vatican’s hands of broader responsibility for the staggering transnational accumulation of rapes by priests, and systematic enabling of those rapes by bishops, a Vatican spokesman said, “When individual institutions of national churches are implicated, that does not regard the competence of the Holy See . . . The competence of the Holy See is at the level of the Holy See.”


 

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Funny how our church who taught us how to behave can't see that apologise = wrongdoing = redress = compensation from its deep pockets.


But not from Rome, because there's a brilliant cop out from the guys who make the rules. This HIA is nordy stuff, and not "at the level of the holy see".

https://www.bostonglobe.com/opinion/columns/2014/02/10/united-nations-vatican-city-what-now-pope-francis/iwcJ7PnJqwwWsEjZhTd4wO/story.html


Washing the Vatican’s hands of broader responsibility for the staggering transnational accumulation of rapes by priests, and systematic enabling of those rapes by bishops, a Vatican spokesman said, “When individual institutions of national churches are implicated, that does not regard the competence of the Holy See . . . The competence of the Holy See is at the level of the Holy See.”


And bishops ... appointed by Rome, monitored & disciplined by Rome are not employees of Rome. I wonder could the UN or ECHR bring them to heel.
 

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It's quite amazing that their assets haven't been seized and the Orders run off the island! Considering the excoriation Fr. Flanagan (Boystown) received when he visited this island and complained bitterly about the state of vulnerable children in State care ....
Excellent point. Seems like many people still like to be told what's immoral - which, to cross thread a bit, doesn't say much for the depth of the teaching of morality that Irish schools seem to have been engaged in for generations.
 

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I would be in favour of disbarring these organisations and running them off the island both north and south.

Their assets should be seized and the orders involved proscribed by law.

The 'holy see' could have nothing to say about for as they say themselves their competency does not extend to national organisations but rests only at the level of the 'holy see'.

Which would end their opinion on such matters.
 

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I would be in favour of disbarring these organisations and running them off the island both north and south.

Their assets should be seized and the orders involved proscribed by law.

The 'holy see' could have nothing to say about for as they say themselves their competency does not extend to national organisations but rests only at the level of the 'holy see'.

Which would end their opinion on such matters.
Go ahead lad....That has been tried by better men than you and they failed miserably for all their genocidal slaughter. If you think the descendents of the Martyrs and Confessors of the Irish Holocaust wont face the likes of you and Andrew49 down if it comes to that you are in lala land.
 

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Go ahead lad....That has been tried by better men than you and they failed miserably for all their genocidal slaughter. If you think the descendents of the Martyrs and Confessors of the Irish Holocaust wont face the likes of you and Andrew49 down if it comes to that you are in lala land.
They are finished. No new people signing up for religious orders.
 

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Quite ironic for an organisation that claims suicide is sinful- and then spends a large part of the last thirty years trying to machinegun its own feet off.

If they were run off the island they'd only set themselves up as some sort of exiled and put upon martyrs.

I've been enjoying the long slow death of these refugees from time and tide and I'll continue to enjoy it.

As I hope their many victims will.
 


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