High Court overturns refusal to give serial Dáil protester bail



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FT, Means testing the OAP would be a total waste of time. Many old people sign away farms and property to their children to ensure that they will qualify for the state pension. Unless you bring in legislation to prevent them doing this a means test will not work.
 

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[QUOTE=""Binman]God help Ireland if you are a "future taoiseach"! Even worse than the incumbent. :([/QUOTE]I can't be compared to that Socialist elite who landed us with €20 billion bills each for social-welfare, public-sector pay and an equivalent or higher annual increase in the national-debt since 2008, with 800 quangos costing us €13 billion! :roll:
 

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It's the height to nonsense to suggest the decisions taken yesterday are making people starve. The people of the North aren't starving on jobseeker's-allowance of approx. €80 per week. People need to adopt their financial activities and family-planning to the new economic-realities.
Says your man with a Wolfe Tone avatar without any loss of irony there.

Stop denigrating the memory of one of our great patriots by writing this jibberish. If Tone was alive today you can be sure traitors like Clowen and Lenny would be facing a firing squad.
 

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I can't be compared to that Socialist elite who landed us with €20 billion bills each for social-welfare, public-sector pay and an equivalent or higher annual increase in the national-debt since 2008, with 800 quangos costing us €13 billion! :roll:
You honestly haven't the foggiest what you are talking out. How was Bertie a socialist? How was the ramping up of the property/credit bubble to be followed by NAMA anything resembling socialism? It was crony capitalism with the light touch regulation, the hall marks of the PD neo-liberal model that has destroyed this country.

You wouldn't know socialism if it jumped up and bit you in the goolies.
 

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If it wasn't for bondholders who lent to the Irish banks, they would have collapsed a long time ago. It is because they are wisely refusing to lend to this bankrupt government that we had to go to the IMF/EU. When we finally get off the IMF's leash, we will have to return to the same bondholders you condemn to beg them to buy our debt. You are evidently a student of the "cutting off your nose despite your face" school of economics. :roll:
Oh Gawd, where do I start. Let me get this into that head of yours. We cannot pay back our debt. It is mathematically impossible. The State is insolvent. Simple solution, burn the bondholders, default and devalue with a new currency. What you are advocating is debt slavery for the next 2-3 generations. You will turn Ireland into a vassal state, a colony and you say this sporting a Wolfe Tone avatar. I honestly think that you are sandwich short of a picnic.

For the wealthy yes. Means-test it. Force the civil servants in the Depts. of Finance and Social Protection to share information so they can cancel welfare payments for those above a certain net-income. Ireland is a monument to the ruin that befalls a country that becomes enslaved to government-entitlement. It has sapped our entrepreneurial spirit and destroyed our competitiveness. The sole purpose of a welfare-state should be social-protection for those who need it - not social-engineering along Marxist lines. :roll:
How do you means test it? It will actually cost more to bring it in, collection, enforcement etc. not to mention legislation. Many of the 450,000 on the dole are there through no fault of their own and yet you want to dismantly their entitlements. As for pensioners, well buddy, they built this State so they are entitled to get something in return.
 

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Oh Gawd, where do I start. Let me get this into that head of yours. We cannot pay back our debt. It is mathematically impossible. The State is insolvent. Simple solution, burn the bondholders, default and devalue with a new currency. What you are advocating is debt slavery for the next 2-3 generations. You will turn Ireland into a vassal state, a colony and you say this sporting a Wolfe Tone avatar. I honestly think that you are sandwich short of a picnic.



How do you means test it? It will actually cost more to bring it in, collection, enforcement etc. not to mention legislation. Many of the 450,000 on the dole are there through no fault of their own and yet you want to dismantly their entitlements. As for pensioners, well buddy, they built this State so they are entitled to get something in return.
It will be massively self-financing when we are no longer having to line the bursting pockets of High Court Judges, ex Anglo-directors, Ryanair Chief Executives and Paddy Power in their old age! :roll:
 

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It's the height to nonsense to suggest the decisions taken yesterday are making people starve. The people of the North aren't starving on jobseeker's-allowance of approx. €80 per week. People need to adopt their financial activities and family-planning to the new economic-realities.
I hope the view from your " High Horse " is spectacular.
If you actually were possessed of valueable information you would realise that jobseekers allowance in NI and its equivilant in the UK amounts to so much more because they have a valid system to attatch to, ie Health, Education and Housing.
 

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In fairness, Article 40 of the Constitution does require equality before the law, and any leniency shown here would also have to be shown to similar protests against future governments irrespective of their role or otherwise in causing/resolving the economic-crisis. The institutions of the State - flawed as they undoubtedly are - are the last line against anarchy and anarchy is the great enemy of sovereignty, which is why anarchitss traditionally oppose the concept of the State. And without sovereignty there is no democracy. In protecting this Oireachtas the courts are also protecting those of the future. The Opposition is also being protected. Part of living in a democracy is that we resolve our problems peacefully, and there is no room for anarchy and attacks on property. Driving diggers to Leinster House in this context is not compatible with the necessary security of the institutions of the State. It is not the Tuileries Palace in 1792 and we haven't erected a guillotine in Merrion Square. If you want to go French then you know where the airport is. :roll:

A rant about anarchy? What are you on about, you clearly don't have the first clue what anarchy is. Democracy has been proven to work even more effectively under anarchy.

As for your beloved sovereignty, it is all but gone at this point and the only way to reclaim it is to fight and that means default. Burning the bondholders, hitting the reset button and starting over. If we defaulted tomorrow, investors from across the world would be lining up to invest in this country within 6 months provided we had a competent government.
 

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Partizan said:
Says your man with a Wolfe Tone avatar without any loss of irony there.

Stop denigrating the memory of one of our great patriots by writing this jibberish.
Stop colonising the memory of one of our great patriots by writing this Socialist elitism.
 

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In fairness, Article 40 of the Constitution does require equality before the law, and any leniency shown here would also have to be shown to similar protests against future governments irrespective of their role or otherwise in causing/resolving the economic-crisis. The institutions of the State - flawed as they undoubtedly are - are the last line against anarchy and anarchy is the great enemy of sovereignty, which is why anarchitss traditionally oppose the concept of the State. And without sovereignty there is no democracy. In protecting this Oireachtas the courts are also protecting those of the future. The Opposition is also being protected. Part of living in a democracy is that we resolve our problems peacefully, and there is no room for anarchy and attacks on property. Driving diggers to Leinster House in this context is not compatible with the necessary security of the institutions of the State. It is not the Tuileries Palace in 1792 and we haven't erected a guillotine in Merrion Square. If you want to go French then you know where the airport is. :roll:



You miss the point utterly. Anarchy is not the issue. The issue is tyranny.

When a government is afraid of its people = freedom.

When a people are afraid of their government = tyranny.
 

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You miss the point utterly. Anarchy is not the issue. The issue is tyranny.

When a government is afraid of its people = freedom.

When a people are afraid of their government = tyranny.
Yes but in a democracy the fear in question should be not be of violence. Resistance in a democracy should take strictly legal forms.
 

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Yes but in a democracy the fear in question should be not be of violence. Resistance in a democracy should take strictly legal forms.
What do you get a week in benefits? Are you claiming disability allowance (thats not a smart question Im interested , you mentioned you had Aspergers)...? Are you a carer? Lets put all this in context FT so we can see where you are coming from
 

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What do you get a week in benefits? Are you claiming disability allowance (thats not a smart question Im interested , you mentioned you had Aspergers)...? Are you a carer? Lets put all this in context FT so we can see where you are coming from
I am a part-time webdesigner. The rules of disability allowance are that I can earn a certain limited amount (approximately €200 per week - and I havent in a long time) without losing it. Including household benefits I get €197 per week except in Autumn-Spring where it rises to €227. As a result of the budget I will get approximately €187 and €200. I can cope with these cuts. I don't have a mortgage or children. But I say this: that people deciding to have children should take economic-factors into account when making that decision. To those who say it wasn't planned, I recommend researching the word "contraception" in the nearest thesaurus to hand. :roll:
 

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I am a part-time webdesigner. The rules of disability allowance are that I can earn a certain limited amount (approximately €200 per week - and I havent in a long time) without losing it. Including household benefits I get €197 per week except in Autumn-Spring where it rises to €227. As a result of the budget I will get approximately €187 and €200. I can cope with these cuts. I don't have a mortgage or children. But I say this: that people deciding to have children should take economic-factors into account when making that decision. To those who say it wasn't planned, I recommend researching the word "contraception" in the nearest thesaurus to hand. :roll:
Can you live on what you earn do you think?
 

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Can you live on what you earn do you think?
I havent had work for a couple of weeks so not at the moment. If I was getting it every week I think I could. One reason is that I am careful to save and to constantly check my bank account online and keep card-receipts so I can track my outgoings. I recommend others do the same, rather than drinking their money away as many do.
 


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