High Court overturns refusal to give serial Dáil protester bail

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Yes but in a democracy the fear in question should be not be of violence. Resistance in a democracy should take strictly legal forms.

"Democracy" is a meaningless word. Even North Korea calls itself a democracy.

The issue is whether a government respects the personal freedom and civil liberties of its citizens and respects the rule of law. If a government does not respect the rule of law, then the people will not do so either.

For the Irish government to suppress freedom of speech in these troubled times was not a good idea.
 


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I havent had work for a couple of weeks so not at the moment. If I was getting it every week I think I could. One reason is that I am careful to save and to constantly check my bank account online and keep card-receipts so I can track my outgoings. I recommend others do the same, rather than drinking their money away as many do.

So if you cant live on your earnings and you are working part time, lets not froget you said you had no kids and are living at home then how is a cut in social welfare to those who have families going to help? I am keeping my head above water. People are entitled to socialise and enjoy themselves once in a while , lets be frank we would all go stir crazy if we didnt! Do you have friends with whom you go to the cinema with etc? Do you drink yourself?
 

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So if you cant live on your earnings and you are working part time, lets not froget you said you had no kids and are living at home then how is a cut in social welfare to those who have families going to help?
I don't "live at home" in the sense of living with my parents. I live alone.
I am keeping my head above water. People are entitled to socialise and enjoy themselves once in a while , lets be frank we would all go stir crazy if we didnt! Do you have friends with whom you go to the cinema with etc? Do you drink yourself?
I can't stand the taste of alcohol - part of my myriad of food-intolerances which include fish, onions, tomatoes, salad etc. I'm glad I'm not on what the elites are on.... :) I don't go to cinema with friends. If we watch a film we watch a DVD or Television. Cinemas are just temptation with their junkfood and icecreams which render me helpless to resist the urge to consume their obesity-inducing calories.
 

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Crashing into a gate is not freedom of speech it is vandalism. It is ironic seeing the Left siding with a former property-developer. :)
You would swear this guy is some lilly white innocent victim of the crash. He used sub for Sisks, from memory, then went on his own. He had a business that was based on brick laying. He borrowed heavily from the banks, to the tune of 3.5 million, to go into developing and got burned. Nobodies fault but his own.
 

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I don't "live at home" in the sense of living with my parents. I live alone.I can't stand the taste of alcohol - part of my myriad of food-intolerances which include fish, onions, tomatoes, salad etc. I'm glad I'm not on what the elites are on.... :) I don't go to cinema with friends. If we watch a film we watch a DVD or Television. Cinemas are just temptation with their junkfood and icecreams which render me helpless to resist the urge to consume their obesity-inducing calories.
I think you are an educated lad with a lot of potential FT, we have disagreed on a lot of points but I think its about time you started getting out a bit more and seeing the world, meeting other men (even I'll drag you out on the bloody scene!) and start living your life. Not everything is temptation, in fact there is a lot to be said for strength of charcter if you can resist these things mate!
 

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You would swear this guy is some lilly white innocent victim of the crash. He used sub for Sisks, from memory, then went on his own. He had a business that was based on brick laying. He borrowed heavily from the banks, to the tune of 3.5 million, to go into developing and got burned. Nobodies fault but his own.
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In fairness, Article 40 of the Constitution does require equality before the law, and any leniency shown here would also have to be shown to similar protests against future governments irrespective of their role or otherwise in causing/resolving the economic-crisis.
If a junkie robs a sweater out of Dunnes he goes to Mountjoy . If the politicl and financial elite rob this country blind to the point of ...way worse than bankruptcy then nothing happens to them .
Witholding information from the filth is a criminal offence , yet Anglo are refusing to hand over passwords . I could go on but its unnecessary . Needless to say your constitutional requirement for equality before the law has never existed in practice in this deeply corrupt country.
The institutions of the State - flawed as they undoubtedly are - are the last line against anarchy and anarchy is the great enemy of sovereignty, which is why anarchitss traditionally oppose the concept of the State.
This state was founded by British gunboat diplomacy for the express purpose of making sure Irish sovereignty could never come about , sovereignty has never been the issue why that state was founded . Its institutions are an affront to Irish sovereignty .
The corrupt cliques that have run project free state since its inception are in fact the enemies of Irish sovereignty and have been only too happy to sell it down the river time and time again . Whether the aspect of sovereignty encompassed our national territory - the most basic prerequsiste -, our neutrality that was vaporised at Shannon by Donald Rumsfeld personally sending his troops into Iraq from Irish shores , our national resources given away for free, British intelligence put in charge of security co-ordination at Baldonnel in 74 , our cultural heritage cemented over at Tara, oaths to monarchs at the point of a free state gun and now national destitution for gnerations and the IMF dictating policy. Thats the track record of your states institutions , thats the sum of their worth . Defence of national sovereignty has never been their purpose , defence of the status quo in Ireland has only ever been their purpose .
And without sovereignty there is no democracy.
National sovereignty has been violated since the states inceptioon and national democracy gerrymandered and co-erced to ensue things stayed like that . Project free state has failed , get used to it . The sooner these institutions are dismantled by whatever means the better for democracy and sovereigty in this country.
In protecting this Oireachtas the courts are also protecting those of the future.
I agree , hence the necessity for their dismantling
The Opposition is also being protected. Part of living in a democracy is that we resolve our problems peacefully, and there is no room for anarchy and attacks on property. Driving diggers to Leinster House in this context is not compatible with the necessary security of the institutions of the State.
you live in a state were the gardai have done more to protect the state from a hacked off builder with no history of violence than thheir entire response to the Dublin Monaghan massacre . Thats the actual reality of your much vaunted democratic institutions . They are simply not fit for purpose and neither is the state itself
It is not the Tuileries Palace in 1792 and we haven't erected a guillotine in Merrion Square. If you want to go French then you know where the airport is. :roll:
well it should be , these aspects of republicanism should be fully embraced especially by a people whose national tricolour was a gift from French republican radicals.

Although its no surprise to see a FFer advising the Irish people to head for the airport and begone . Sadly a great many will be doing so - yet again- thanks to project free state yet again utterly failing them. Which is what a state which was founded on the maintenance of foreign interests as opposed to Irish interests and Irish sovereignty is destined to do time and time again until its finally consigned to historys dustbin
 

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I am a part-time webdesigner. The rules of disability allowance are that I can earn a certain limited amount (approximately €200 per week - and I havent in a long time) without losing it. Including household benefits I get €197 per week except in Autumn-Spring where it rises to €227. As a result of the budget I will get approximately €187 and €200. I can cope with these cuts. I don't have a mortgage or children. But I say this: that people deciding to have children should take economic-factors into account when making that decision. To those who say it wasn't planned, I recommend researching the word "contraception" in the nearest thesaurus to hand. :roll:
And what do you say to someone like myself and my partner who used contraception (the pill) but she still became pregnant? Is that our fault? Should she have gotten an abortion?
 

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And what do you say to someone like myself and my partner who used contraception (the pill) but she still became pregnant? Is that our fault? Should she have gotten an abortion?
If that is true then of course not. But in 98% of cases the pill works, meaning that you are the exception that proves the rule. Did you see her take the pill?
 

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It isn't often that I agree with Merle, but I certainly am in agreement with his last post.
 

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If that is true then of course not. But in 98% of cases the pill works, meaning that you are the exception that proves the rule. Did you see her take the pill?
Believe me neither of us wanted another child. One was enough was our attitude. so yes she definitely took the pill.

You have to accept that some children are not planned. Yes its irresponsible not to use contraception but unfortunately for some it doesnt always work as it should. Also children should never suffer financially because of the mistakes of their parents.
 

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Believe me neither of us wanted another child. One was enough was our attitude. so yes she definitely took the pill.

You have to accept that some children are not planned. Yes its irresponsible not to use contraception but unfortunately for some it doesnt always work as it should. Also children should never suffer financially because of the mistakes of their parents.
Yes but I think a large minority of selfish parents who spend all their money on drink instead of providing for their children are too quick to use these cuts as an excuse to continue neglecting their responsibilities as parents. In large part that explains anti-social behaviour in this country. When I was being attacked by Traveller youths at ridiculous hours in the morning I would often wonder "where are the parents"? Probably off somewhere getting drunk. Needed to be said.
 

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Yes but I think a large minority of selfish parents who spend all their money on drink instead of providing for their children are too quick to use these cuts as an excuse to continue neglecting their responsibilities as parents. In large part that explains anti-social behaviour in this country. When I was being attacked by Traveller youths at ridiculous hours in the morning I would often wonder "where are the parents"? Probably off somewhere getting drunk. Needed to be said.
Spot the oxymoron :rolleyes:

As you have never been a parent you really do not know what you are talking about.
 

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what was he doing traipsing about at ridiculous hours of the morning ? or are we better off not asking
The attacks were on my property when I was inside my house, which is why I had to get break-proof glass installed. It was Little Limerick down here in Wexford.
 

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Yes but in a democracy the fear in question should be not be of violence. Resistance in a democracy should take strictly legal forms.
I hate to be the one to point out that absolute obedience to the law favours the elites.

I would agree with you if he blew up the Dail or something, but this was clearly intended to be a peaceful protest.
 

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Crashing into a gate is not freedom of speech it is vandalism. It is ironic seeing the Left siding with a former property-developer. :)

Your making yourself sound like a ************************ing idiot. Even more than you usually do. He did not carsh into the gates, he drove right up to them. Reckless driving my hole. Your earlier assertion that this guy is an anarchist is laughable. Oh and for anarchism being the enemy of sovereignty well you may have a point but it's an irrelevant one in the present circumstances seens as it was not anarchistic lorry drivers :rolleyes: but ff's form of crony capitalism - which is what has motivated these protests and all others - that has decimated our country's sovereignty.
 


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