High Court ruling on Citizenship

toughbutfair

Well-known member
Joined
May 28, 2009
Messages
9,861
What I don't understand is how it has come to be perfectly normal for there to be so many Egyptian Taxi drivers, Belorussian bouncers and the like in Ireland. I thought you had to have skills to migrate to Ireland from outside the EU?
Different f-Ing thread.
 


toughbutfair

Well-known member
Joined
May 28, 2009
Messages
9,861
Let’s stick to the issue.

What does continuous residence mean? That’s the only issue in this thread. I think it incorrect to say if someone spends 1 day outside of the ROI that they are not resident. Tax law has clear rules on residence and in the absence of further rules would seem to be the most appropriate.
 

toughbutfair

Well-known member
Joined
May 28, 2009
Messages
9,861
It’s an easy fix for the Dáil. One line of legislation to define “continuous residence “ , issue closed.
 

Kevin Parlon

Well-known member
Joined
Dec 4, 2008
Messages
11,290
Twitter
Deiscirt
That’s a completely different issue, why are you purposely mixing the two?
If you are having difficulty understanding how they're part of the same issue I can walk you through it.
 

middleground

Well-known member
Joined
Nov 30, 2014
Messages
907
Do you have any figures on number granted, how long it took after they became eligible, etc. i.e. any facts at all. 'Quote'

I have worked in most countries of the world as an Engineer. China, Russia. Singapore, Germany etc The process of finding work sometimes required scouring the many special websites for my line of work, or networking and recommendations from colleagues. Sometimes a phone interview ,sometimes an onsite interview, but my CV and recommendations were usually sufficient to find work.
The employer then issues a Letter of Intent (LOI), Medical Cert usually required,check for fitness and diseases, Vaccination shots etc. Visit to nearest Embassy or Consulate and generally pick up visa on same day.
Visa renewed as required by length of project. End of project , leave before visa expires or have problems with Border controls. No welfare available, all health ,housing at employers cost.
Germany had a serious manpower shortages after WW2, they imported many guest workers ,Turks,,Slavs Uk etc. Only the Turks had an integration problem ,being generally Muslims.
Singapore has a low birthrate ,they import from Malaysia, Bangladesh, China and specialists from Western countries. They issue work permits of varying lengths and a visitors visa on arrival. Short term visas can be renewed by a daytrip across the Causeway to Johor Bahru and a stamp from Border control on re-entering. No welfare allowed, health and housing at employers cost.
Singapore has over a million Guest workers, the Singaporeans generally do not like to do manual work. most all are Computer tappers.
As before ,end of project ,end of visa. Extension stays are available, but staying around Singapore ,without work soon makes a big hole in your wallet.
I have never met anyone who applied for Citizenship in any of these countries.
Citizenship is attractive to a person from a 3rd world country coming to the West, because it gives access to a generous welfare system of Health, Housing ,education and unearned cash.
Open borders and a Welfare system are not compatible and lead to society breakdown by its attraction of unskilled ,uneducated welfare tourists.
Very interesting, how did all that compare with when you applied for a work visa in Ireland?
 

Kevin Parlon

Well-known member
Joined
Dec 4, 2008
Messages
11,290
Twitter
Deiscirt
The judges decision is about the interpretation of “continuous residence “ , nothing to do with your Egyptian taxi driver or sham marriages.
They have something to do with each other in that they both relate to citizenship. One, directly and the other is a prerequisite for some.
 

toughbutfair

Well-known member
Joined
May 28, 2009
Messages
9,861
They have something to do with each other in that they both relate to citizenship. One, directly and the other is a prerequisite for some.
The story is that a judges interpretation of “continuous residence “ has implications. A general discussion on citizenship /immigration has been done many times.

I disagree with the judges legal opinion , I don’t think many people would say that a person who spent one day outside of ROI in the last year was not continuously resident here. Therefore , in lack of a further definition, I believe the judge to be wrong in his interpretation of the law as a premise of the law is that if something isn’t defined and is open to interpretation, the average persons understanding of the word/phrase applies. However, the judge has ruled based on the dictionary definition of “continuous “
 

bells of shando

Active member
Joined
May 1, 2019
Messages
263
Very interesting, how did all that compare with when you applied for a work visa in Ireland? 'quote'
I am Irish, with ancestors going back into the mists of time. I have only worked in Ireland for only short times, my line of expertise does not remunerate very well in this country.
 

Kevin Parlon

Well-known member
Joined
Dec 4, 2008
Messages
11,290
Twitter
Deiscirt
The story is that a judges interpretation of “continuous residence “ has implications. A general discussion on citizenship /immigration has been done many times.

I disagree with the judges legal opinion , I don’t think many people would say that a person who spent one day outside of ROI in the last year was not continuously resident here. Therefore , in lack of a further definition, I believe the judge to be wrong in his interpretation of the law as a premise of the law is that if something isn’t defined and is open to interpretation, the average persons understanding of the word/phrase applies. However, the judge has ruled based on the dictionary definition of “continuous “
My mentioning this is a follow up to my initial comment which is that Ireland isn't a serious country.
 

toughbutfair

Well-known member
Joined
May 28, 2009
Messages
9,861
So if we stick to the topic, what do people think about a judge deciding that if you had lunch in Belfast that you weren't continuously resident in ROI. Seems ridiculous and I believe it will be overturned one way or another.
 

MsDaisyC

Well-known member
Joined
Jul 3, 2017
Messages
3,866
This person spent almost a third of the year on holiday and only 3 days were work related. Were these trips "home" to Australia? If he's spending so much time on holidays abroad, why bother with Irish citizenship in the first place?
 

bells of shando

Active member
Joined
May 1, 2019
Messages
263
Its the Benefits baby, available to a Citizens.
Housing Health, Education, welfare cash, visa free European travel.
 


New Threads

Popular Threads

Most Replies

Top