High taxes taking about half of wages above the average pay coupled with very high rents will make it hard to attract skilled immigrant workers

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High taxes taking about half of wages above the average pay coupled with very high rents will make it hard to attract skilled immigrant workers

Eastern European workers filled a lot of labour shortages in the Celtic Tiger construction boom when the construction work force rose to 237,000, which compares with 110,000 in 2017, figures quoted in Central Bank research. In coming years, it will be difficult to attract skilled workers from there to fulfill targets to double or treble housing construction and keep STEM industries expanding. Even Germany next door is having difficulty attracting those workers because their wages have risen sharply in the past decade and their cost of living is very low, especially for housing.

Ireland has two major economic disadvantages for skilled immigrants:the very sudden jump to about half in tax on pay above 35,000 euros;and the absurdly high cost of housing in Dublin, Cork and Galway thanks to NIMBY planning red tape.

To compensate for this punitive tax of half, gross pay would need to be increased by about 14% to attract skilled immigrants.* Given that wages are rising at about 3 to 4% a year in the economy, that is equivlent to 4 to 5 years of pay increases. Since those pay increases would have to be offered to all workers, not just immigrants, the cost competitiveness of industries dependent on skilled immigrant workers would likely suffer. Housing prices would rise substantially to cover the increased wage costs, for instance.

The government needs to consider this issue in its decision on income tax cuts in the next budget, cuts rumored to be token in media reports.

*A 60,000 pay level would experience tax of about half, 12,500 on the last 25,000. Say workers felt strongly that a reasonable tax should be a third as in a normal country instead of half, resulting in aftertax pay of 16,667. Then to compensate for the high tax, they might need a pay increase to generate the difference between 16, 667 and 12,500 equal to 4,167. The latter figure would need a gross pay of double this 4,167 equal to 8,334. The latter increase based on a gross pay of 60,000 is a 14% increase.

BTY, a plasterer told me in the 1980s when income taxes were very high that he and his fellow building workers only looked at the bottom line of pay after tax when deciding to take up offers of overtime which they often refused.
 


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Eastern European workers filled a lot of labour shortages in the Celtic Tiger construction boom when the construction work force rose to 237,000, which compares with 110,000 in 2017, figures quoted in Central Bank research. In coming years, it will be difficult to attract skilled workers from there to fulfill targets to double or treble housing construction and keep STEM industries expanding. Even Germany next door is having difficulty attracting those workers because their wages have risen sharply in the past decade and their cost of living is very low, especially for housing.

Ireland has two major economic disadvantages for skilled immigrants:the very sudden jump to about half in tax on pay above 35,000 euros;and the absurdly high cost of housing in Dublin, Cork and Galway thanks to NIMBY planning red tape.

To compensate for this punitive tax of half, gross pay would need to be increased by about 14% to attract skilled immigrants.* Given that wages are rising at about 3 to 4% a year in the economy, that is equivlent to 4 to 5 years of pay increases. Since those pay increases would have to be offered to all workers, not just immigrants, the cost competitiveness of industries dependent on skilled immigrant workers would likely suffer. Housing prices would rise substantially to cover the increased wage costs, for instance.

The government needs to consider this issue in its decision on income tax cuts in the next budget, cuts rumored to be token in media reports.

*A 60,000 pay level would experience tax of about half, 12,500 on the last 25,000. Say workers felt strongly that a reasonable tax should be a third as in a normal country instead of half, resulting in aftertax pay of 16,667. Then to compensate for the high tax, they might need a pay increase to generate the difference between 16, 667 and 12,500 equal to 4,167. The latter figure would need a gross pay of double this 4,167 equal to 8,334. The latter increase based on a gross pay of 60,000 is a 14% increase.

BTY, a plasterer told me in the 1980s when income taxes were very high that he and his fellow building workers only looked at the bottom line of pay after tax when deciding to take up offers of overtime which they often refused.
Who will pay for the Ballymun hotel fire ? who caused it and how will they cover it up ?

Who will pay for the billions spent on social housing/education/social welfare/healthcare /pensions for tens of thousands of welfare tourists?

Who will pay for 30 mill for Higgins term (fake socialist) and 5 mill for Leo's fake news spinners ?

Who will pay for constant fake news RTE far left loonies ? Brendan O Connor tonight was priceless D4 ultra liberal crap yet again ?

Who will pay for the thousands of muslims flown in via Zappones direct two fingers up to the voters in 2003 ?

Who will pay for the corruption and ZERO lack of leadership regarding housing ?

Yep, the clowns that believe politicians are responsible and intelligent decision makers and not a bunch of opportunist spinners ?

get real, Amadan proved his hypocrisy to the hilt objecting to housing in Raheny,, just objecting may have gotten a few votes off the middle class he slags off while looking for votes off the working class slagging off the middle class?

we have the worst politicians and media in the whole of Europe,, why can't people see that ?
 

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Ireland is earmarked to be the unskilled immigrant and refugee slumbank of Europe.

Sweden will seem like utopia compared to Ireland in 20 years.
 

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Ireland has two major economic disadvantages for skilled immigrants:the very sudden jump to about half in tax on pay above 35,000 euros;and the absurdly high cost of housing in Dublin, Cork and Galway thanks to NIMBY planning red tape.
That's a symptom of a deeper problem which is this: There are too many people in Ireland who instead of working, rely on state handouts. It really is as simple as that. And that's not just a grumble about social welfare, we have too many households (double the EU average) with no one working at all.

 

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Once the residency permits of all the unemployed non-EU immigrants runs out, don't renew them. That would free up a few thousand houses right off, and save us a few million at the least.

Deport all the non-Irish inmates to their home countries to serve out their sentences. That will save us about 77k per inmate.
 

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NIMBY planning red tape has caused the housing price increases? That's an extremely ignorant perspective.
 

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I'm sure the business sector will be grand Pat, you cultural Marxist you.
 

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Has he ever had a show with more than one male guest?
Indeed, when one looks at the media in a general sense it's the lack of a male presence that is most striking....:roll:
 

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Once the residency permits of all the unemployed non-EU immigrants runs out, don't renew them. That would free up a few thousand houses right off, and save us a few million at the least.

Deport all the non-Irish inmates to their home countries to serve out their sentences. That will save us about 77k per inmate.
They refuse to leave. We have been trying to get them out of The Netherlands but, unless the country of origin agrees to take them back, you are stuck with them. Even if you put them on a plane, the country of origin will not let them off the plane.

There are currently squatters in Amsterdam who have been refused asylum (bear in mind the Dutch are VERY generous with granting asylum and it is only total bullsh1tters who are refused). They took over an entire area of social housing whilst the council were having the properties redecorated. The workers arrived one morning to be told where to go by a hundred or so of these freeloaders. Tax paying and hardworking people in this working class area are now being terrorised. What do the local Green Left government do? Nothing. They suggest people just put up with it for another few months until they arrange some other free accommodation for these chancers.

Simon Coveneny wants to increase the Irish poplulation with immigration from West Africa. I don't think he wants any of them as neighbours though. He'll put them next to working class Irish and in small villages.

Look at what the Swedish "socialist" government have done, look at Swedish schools - and then look at a photograph of the 'elite' schools. It's Animal Farm all over again.
 

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Once the residency permits of all the unemployed non-EU immigrants runs out, don't renew them. That would free up a few thousand houses right off, and save us a few million at the least.

Deport all the non-Irish inmates to their home countries to serve out their sentences. That will save us about 77k per inmate.
That's quite a reductive approach.
 

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They refuse to leave. We have been trying to get them out of The Netherlands but, unless the country of origin agrees to take them back, you are stuck with them. Even if you put them on a plane, the country of origin will not let them off the plane.

There are currently squatters in Amsterdam who have been refused asylum (bear in mind the Dutch are VERY generous with granting asylum and it is only total bullsh1tters who are refused). They took over an entire area of social housing whilst the council were having the properties redecorated. The workers arrived one morning to be told where to go by a hundred or so of these freeloaders. Tax paying and hardworking people in this working class area are now being terrorised. What do the local Green Left government do? Nothing. They suggest people just put up with it for another few months until they arrange some other free accommodation for these chancers.

Simon Coveneny wants to increase the Irish poplulation with immigration from West Africa. I don't think he wants any of them as neighbours though. He'll put them next to working class Irish and in small villages.

Look at what the Swedish "socialist" government have done, look at Swedish schools - and then look at a photograph of the 'elite' schools. It's Animal Farm all over again.
None of which is an argument against migration of course, it's a critique of an ill thought out approach and bad planning.
 

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have you been to Sweden recently?
I have been to Malmo a few months ago, it deteriorates every time I am there and I have absolutely no desire to return ever again. I used to love going to Sweden. See my other post on how the 'socialist' government have one rule for their standards of living and another for ordinary Swedes.
 

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"In Ireland 77pc of working households are funding the other 23pc - that's twice the average of other EU countries"

https://www.independent.ie/opinion/comment/we-need-to-dismantle-our-culture-of-dependency-34963409.html
whats our civil servants bill compared to the rest of europe and how much is our politicians getting paid compared to the rest of europe compared to head of population and who pays them.how many of the 77% of working households are being paid by the state can you give me the figures on that one please .
 

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Eastern European workers filled a lot of labour shortages in the Celtic Tiger construction boom when the construction work force rose to 237,000, which compares with 110,000 in 2017, figures quoted in Central Bank research. In coming years, it will be difficult to attract skilled workers from there to fulfill targets to double or treble housing construction and keep STEM industries expanding. Even Germany next door is having difficulty attracting those workers because their wages have risen sharply in the past decade and their cost of living is very low, especially for housing.

Ireland has two major economic disadvantages for skilled immigrants:the very sudden jump to about half in tax on pay above 35,000 euros;and the absurdly high cost of housing in Dublin, Cork and Galway thanks to NIMBY planning red tape.

To compensate for this punitive tax of half, gross pay would need to be increased by about 14% to attract skilled immigrants.* Given that wages are rising at about 3 to 4% a year in the economy, that is equivlent to 4 to 5 years of pay increases. Since those pay increases would have to be offered to all workers, not just immigrants, the cost competitiveness of industries dependent on skilled immigrant workers would likely suffer. Housing prices would rise substantially to cover the increased wage costs, for instance.

The government needs to consider this issue in its decision on income tax cuts in the next budget, cuts rumored to be token in media reports.

*A 60,000 pay level would experience tax of about half, 12,500 on the last 25,000. Say workers felt strongly that a reasonable tax should be a third as in a normal country instead of half, resulting in aftertax pay of 16,667. Then to compensate for the high tax, they might need a pay increase to generate the difference between 16, 667 and 12,500 equal to 4,167. The latter figure would need a gross pay of double this 4,167 equal to 8,334. The latter increase based on a gross pay of 60,000 is a 14% increase.

BTY, a plasterer told me in the 1980s when income taxes were very high that he and his fellow building workers only looked at the bottom line of pay after tax when deciding to take up offers of overtime which they often refused.
That statistic is thrown about all the time. It should be taxable income of €35K. Everyone has allowances which gives them up to about €16K tax free, so, it is on income above €51K, for a couple that goes to €68K give or take, I'm not looking at the actual tables.

On the other hand, we attract unskilled/low skilled people in far greater proportion. They pool work in such a way that the one with the greatest allowances does the most work and often one will do the actual work and put down another's name for it who has allowances and no job. This is why USC should never be removed. It is the only way of getting something out of these people, who very quickly themselves learn how to milk our system.
 

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whats our civil servants bill compared to the rest of europe and how much is our politicians getting paid compared to the rest of europe compared to head of population and who pays them.how many of the 77% of working households are being paid by the state can you give me the figures on that one please .
We all know we have one of the highest paid least productive public services/civil servants in the world , its a shame , We also have one of the most generous welfare systems in the world feeding , clothing , housing and educating multi generational scroungers .That is a crying shame and needs to come to an end and quickly .
 

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whats our civil servants bill compared to the rest of europe and how much is our politicians getting paid compared to the rest of europe compared to head of population and who pays them.how many of the 77% of working households are being paid by the state can you give me the figures on that one please .
Huge, is the closest answer to that question I can give you. Not alone are they the highest paid in our society, but their jobs come with a gold plated unfunded pension, built in. In other words, the lower paid private sector, is funding through taxes, the salaries and pensions of our betters in the public service while having no pension itself, unless among the very highest earners.
 


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