History of the Secret Intelligence Service published

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The most detailed and authoritative history of the first forty years (1909-1949) of the Secret Intelligence Service, MI6, is published today by the London publishers, Bloomsbury and in the USA by Penguin.

This unique publication, written by Professor Keith Jeffery, of Queen’s University, Belfast, is based on his unrestricted access to SIS archives of the period. The result is an 800-page story of the world’s oldest continuously operating foreign intelligence service from its birth, in 1909, to the beginning of the Cold War.
Throughout the pages of this history, the values of courage and dedication held by the men and women who served in SIS are graphically displayed. The history also underscores another constant theme, that of the Service’s accountability to government for its actions both in peace and war.
The plan to write the definitive history of SIS began five years ago when Sir John Scarlett, the then Chief of SIS, set the project in motion.
 


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The most detailed and authoritative history of the first forty years (1909-1949) of the Secret Intelligence Service, MI6, is published today by the London publishers, Bloomsbury and in the USA by Penguin.

This unique publication, written by Professor Keith Jeffery, of Queen’s University, Belfast, is based on his unrestricted access to SIS archives of the period. The result is an 800-page story of the world’s oldest continuously operating foreign intelligence service from its birth, in 1909, to the beginning of the Cold War.
Throughout the pages of this history, the values of courage and dedication held by the men and women who served in SIS are graphically displayed. The history also underscores another constant theme, that of the Service’s accountability to government for its actions both in peace and war.
The plan to write the definitive history of SIS began five years ago when Sir John Scarlett, the then Chief of SIS, set the project in motion.

Recent evidence indicates that MI6 was involved in the murder of Rasputin.

Rasputin was badly tortured before death.

It is suggested Rasputin was concerned about the huge Russian losses in WWI and wanted to withdraw soldiers from the front line. The British needed the Russians to keep on taking huge losses and engaging the Germans. Grigori Rasputin - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
 

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Just reading the authorized history of MI5, all 1000 pages of it. It makes spying seem like the most tedious of civil service jobs. Information Technology must have been a Godsend to them.
 

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Recent evidence indicates that MI6 was involved in the murder of Rasputin.

Rasputin was badly tortured before death.

It is suggested Rasputin was concerned about the huge Russian losses in WWI and wanted to withdraw soldiers from the front line. The British needed the Russians to keep on taking huge losses and engaging the Germans. Grigori Rasputin - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
Rasputin?
Russias greatest love machine?
Lover of the Russian queen?
It was a shame how he carried on.

[ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kvDMlk3kSYg]YouTube - Boney M - Rasputin[/ame]
 
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I am looking forward to reading how Professor Jeffery treats of the WWII/Emergency Years and the tensions/accommodations between HMG and the Saorstát, and the lead up to the Declaration of the Republic of Ireland. Now...you all know what tome to put in my stocking this Xmas.
 

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Let me recommend also British Intelligence and Covert Action by Jonathan Bloch and Patrick Fitzgerald. After all, having more than one perspective can never do any harm.
 

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The most detailed and authoritative history of the first forty years (1909-1949) of the Secret Intelligence Service, MI6, is published today by the London publishers, Bloomsbury and in the USA by Penguin.

This unique publication, written by Professor Keith Jeffery, of Queen’s University, Belfast, is based on his unrestricted access to SIS archives of the period. The result is an 800-page story of the world’s oldest continuously operating foreign intelligence service from its birth, in 1909, to the beginning of the Cold War.
Throughout the pages of this history, the values of courage and dedication held by the men and women who served in SIS are graphically displayed. The history also underscores another constant theme, that of the Service’s accountability to government for its actions both in peace and war.
The plan to write the definitive history of SIS began five years ago when Sir John Scarlett, the then Chief of SIS, set the project in motion.

"Throughout the pages of this history, the values of courage and dedication held by the men and women who served in SIS are graphically displayed
"...... Ah yes, an unbiased truthful account of the Brit dirty tricks dept :lol::lol::lol:

" The history also underscores another constant theme, that of the Service’s accountability to government for its actions both in peace and war. "
Of course they weren't accountable to their victims now where they :rolleyes: :mad:
 

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Why do people buy this crap ? As if 6 or 5 are going let you have access to the real serious things.
 

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Why do people buy this crap ? As if 6 or 5 are going let you have access to the real serious things.
A bit like like James Bond stories but presented as ' real life stories ' of how Britain saved the western world from the Communism :rolleyes: . Fiction so some Brits can go on thinking that their some sort of Machevilian world power or something.
 
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A British book with British propaganda, read by Irish with no beliefs of their own. Jesus, it was only the flags and the emblems we changed (James Connolly), our intelligence stayed the same.

British Royalty, British heroic secret service... of how interesting.

Codswallop!
 

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A British book with British propaganda, read by Irish with no beliefs of their own. Jesus, it was only the flags and the emblems we changed (James Connolly), our intelligence stayed the same.

British Royalty, British heroic secret service... of how interesting.

Codswallop!
Well since you've clearly read this book from cover to cover (which means that you have "no beliefs" of your own?) and are apparently an expert on the British Secret Intelligence Service in the 20th Century and are therefore entitled to comment with authority on the contents, perhaps you'd do us all the great service of reviewing it in detail?

On the other hand, if you haven't read the book but are somehow under the impression that there is a vacancy for yet one more bawling, uninformed, anti-British Gobshyte on this site then I regret to inform you that at present there isn't (the site is over-subscribed in fact).
Don't despair though, I'm sure David Cochrane will make a note of your details and get in touch should such a vacancy arise. In the meantime though, do carry on being stupid at every opportunity, we wouldn't want you to lose your edge now, would we?
 

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The reading of one book obviously would never be enough to make an expert of anyone. On the contrary, considering a subject from multiple viewpoints/analyses is just an essential part of the process of objective inquiry.

There’s been a lot of praise heaped on the British intelligence service, such as is apparently based on the contents of one source. That’s why I took the time to recommend in my original post the Bloch-Fitzgerald book. Needless to say, the Bloch-Fitzgerald book presents a very scary picture of British intelligence actions abroad. However, it doesn’t present the intelligence services of the other major powers in any more of a favorable light.

It can’t reasonably be taken for granted that the perceived interests of the British state (e.g., the interests that are pursued by its intelligence services) are perfectly identical to both the interests and the perceived interests of the British people.

I take it the other poster was referring to Connolly’s prophecy of Ireland becoming a satellite state. What I question, however, is if Connolly's prophecy could’ve been avoided, given the disparities in resources that have existed between the two countries throughout modern history. Certainly British-Western military might could easily have crushed a socialist Ireland of Connolly’s model.
 
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The reading of one book obviously would never be enough to make an expert of anyone. On the contrary, considering a subject from multiple viewpoints/analyses is just an essential part of the process of objective inquiry.
Well this is pretty obvious to you and I but my point was that this guy, like so many other posters on this site, is clearly uninterested in any form of reasoned discussion or debate on the subject and has simply jumped in with some knee-jerk, thoughtless and gratuitous Brit-bashing which informs no-one (other than to the level of his stupidity and bigotry that is) and seeks to take the thread, like so many others on the site, into yet another dead-end.

There’s been a lot of praise heaped on the British intelligence service, such as is apparently based on the contents of one source. That’s why I took the time to recommend in my original post the Bloch-Fitzgerald book. Needless to say, the Bloch-Fitzgerald book presents a very scary picture of British intelligence actions abroad. However, it doesn’t present the intelligence services of the other major powers in any more of a favorable light.
It can’t reasonably be taken for granted that the perceived interests of the British state (e.g., the interests that are pursued by its intelligence services) are perfectly identical to both the interests and the perceived interests of the British people.
I haven't read either book though I'll try to do so


I take it the other poster was referring to Connolly’s prophecy of Ireland becoming a satellite state. What I question, however, is if Connolly's prophecy could’ve been avoided, given the disparities in resources that have existed between the two countries throughout modern history. Certainly British-Western military might could easily have crushed a socialist Ireland of Connolly’s model.
I can understand your confusion, clarity of thought and expression is obviously not his forté after all. Actually, I think you're being too kind to him, my impression is that he simply believes that anyone who reads anything whatsoever about the British is somehow less of an Irishman than himself. (The shame will always be with me.)
 
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American books glorifying American intelligence service are American propaganda, the same with Russian books about the KGB, and with this book about the British MI5 / MI6.

Its not objective, and tells the story from the angle that makes them look good.

Thats why its not of intrest to me.

BTW, the reason so many Brit bash, is because there is a hell of a lot to bat the Brits on. The state and imperialst element I mean, not the normal people.

We love British architechture, the English language (we just want to get our own back to pre decimation levels) and James Bond films, British comedy etc. Doesnt stop us being Irish or republican.

In fact youll find republicans are often more inclusive than Free Staters, during lulls in heightened tensions weve always reached out to the Scots community in the north, and have always paid tribute to the Protestant Anglo and Scots who faught for Ireland or gave us a fair hearing.

So the British man being so pluralist finds himself a tad like Dafydd... the only gay in the village. "Im the only Brit here... why do all the Tadgs hate me for being British, hate all my British culture... ooh get away... your a fenian... no you dont like british comedy... Im british ... only I like things British..."
 

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American books glorifying American intelligence service are American propaganda, the same with Russian books about the KGB, and with this book about the British MI5 / MI6.

Its not objective, and tells the story from the angle that makes them look good.

Thats why its not of intrest to me.
I'm confused here, if it's of no interest to you then why have you read it? I mean, you must have read it because you've just dismissed it as"propaganda"? Surely you wouldn't simply dismiss a book like this, a serious, scholarly work of historical importance and well reviewed in the UK press, in such terms?

BTW, the reason so many Brit bash, is because there is a hell of a lot to bat the Brits on. The state and imperialst element I mean, not the normal people.
No, the "Brit-bashing" is little more than unthinking, ignorant, biased, near-racism. There may well be much to criticise the British for but we rarely hear any informed, reasoned criticism, instead we have morons like Slab Murphy, Seven-stars and a herd of others, regularly weighing in with the most appalling, moronic drivel one could ever wish to hear.

We love British architechture, the English language (we just want to get our own back to pre decimation levels) and James Bond films, British comedy etc. Doesnt stop us being Irish or republican.

In fact youll find republicans are often more inclusive than Free Staters, during lulls in heightened tensions weve always reached out to the Scots community in the north, and have always paid tribute to the Protestant Anglo and Scots who faught for Ireland or gave us a fair hearing.
Pardon me while I stifle a laugh.

So the British man being so pluralist finds himself a tad like Dafydd... the only gay in the village. "Im the only Brit here... why do all the Tadgs hate me for being British, hate all my British culture... ooh get away... your a fenian... no you dont like british comedy... Im british ... only I like things British..."
At best I would describe this last paragraph as a "straw-man" argument, no-one has said or suggested any such thing and this is merely a weak attempt to de-rail the argument. My problem with you and your ilk is that you continually degrade intelligent, reasoned comment and opinion with the type of sneering,nonsensical bilge as is contained in your first post. Tell me, what contribution do you actually think you are making when you post stuff like that?
 

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It sounds like an interesting book and I think I'll get it.

Even if it is biased, it can still have value. I thought Christopher Andrew's book was biased in favour of MI5 but was still an interesting read.

(dudes interested in the middle east may want to get "The Secret War with Iran" by Andrew's pupil Ronen Bergman. Its pro-Israeli biased but still good).

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With respect, it would be legitimate for a poster here to think the book may have elements of propaganda given the introduction by Moggy McG where he refers to the "heroism" of the British Secret Service. Certainly I would, to choose a random example, be pretty suspect about a book about the CIA/Mossas/PLO that was described to me as showing the "heroism" of the organisation.
Just a thought.
 

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The most detailed and authoritative history of the first forty years (1909-1949) of the Secret Intelligence Service, MI6, is published today by the London publishers, Bloomsbury and in the USA by Penguin.

This unique publication, written by Professor Keith Jeffery, of Queens University, Belfast, is based on his unrestricted access to SIS archives of the period. The result is an 800-page story of the worlds oldest continuously operating foreign intelligence service from its birth, in 1909, to the beginning of the Cold War.
Throughout the pages of this history, the values of courage and dedication held by the men and women who served in SIS are graphically displayed. The history also underscores another constant theme, that of the Services accountability to government for its actions both in peace and war.
The plan to write the definitive history of SIS began five years ago when Sir John Scarlett, the then Chief of SIS, set the project in motion.
They haven't gone away you know.

 

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They haven't gone away you know.

No, they just re-brand every now and then. There was a fair old clear out after the fall of the Berlin Wall, which just saw loads of new 'Risk Management' companies being set up in the private sector.

This allowed 'plausible deniability' at government level and allowed for the hiring of private contractors by corporations (Blackwater and the like) along with the usual parasitism off the defence industry which makes Halliburton shareholders wealthy.

I believe the MI5, 6 designations have now been shelved in preference to the 'SIS' abbreviation
 


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