Homeless mother and 6 children forced to sleep in Garda station.


A Voice

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I may have used the word evasion, but the post points to legal methods of avoiding tax. Accountants, lawyers, political influence. Maybe there are rich people who just pay the tax due, without any accountants to manage the figures, but I doubt there are many.

Your concern for extremely rich people playing the system is noted.
Such methods can also be used to evade tax. If you're actually talking about avoidance and not evasion, however, then it is entirely legitimate and your description "playing the system" is characteristically unkind.

Your problem with wealthy people is noted. Of course, their wealth bankrolls welfare so the people you prefer to champion are dependant on them.
 

Lagertha

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But she's not typical and she still has problems which need help.

There are strict rules on entitlements to benefits, to access to social housing and I don't think they need to be any stricter.

In the UK they have taken a step down this path by using the Fitness to work programme, much of it outsourced to private companies. The companies get paid for every person they can get off benefits, even if they don't get them in to paid work.
People are left in penury, dependent on food banks, turfed out of their homes and left on the streets.
It might be galling to see some people playing the system and making no effort to improve their life skills, but the alternative can result in people literally starving on the streets of an extremely rich country.
Have you any idea what you're talking about, at all? Those Fitness to Work interviews are a nightmare for genuinely ill people who can't work, who are too ill or too disabled to work. There was a documentary on one of the British channels a few years ago where people who were in absolutely no condition whatsoever to work, were sent in to secretly film the medicals. There were people who had worked for these companies who were whistle blowing because they couldn't stomach what was going on. These companies get a bonus for every person they take off benefits, as well as whatever their government contract is.

The more people who lose their benefit entitlements the more money these people make. So somebody who is genuinely ill, who is living on or below the poverty line, struggling to survive is told that they aren't entitled to benefit, even though they are so ill they are unemployable. There was a case only the other day of a man who won his appeal against them 7 months after his death. They stopped GP's doing medical reports on their own patients because they wanted GP's who would discriminate against claimants.

Margaret Cash, like 99.9% of Travelers, is a parasite, she's a cradle to grave Benefits claimant. I'd lay odds that she's claiming a disability payment on the grounds of her being illiterate, I'd lay odds that she's had at least 1 of her kids labelled with ADHD in order to claim benefits for that. The cycle has to end, the best place for her kids is in care, at least then they'd have some chance in life. If you believe she's a good mother you'd need your head examined, people like her destroy their kids psychologically and emotionally.

Man finally wins ‘fitness to work’ appeal against benefits bosses – seven months after his death | Daily Mail Online

According to the Central Statistics 80% of Travelers are unemployed and 11%, 3 times the national average, are on Disability Benefits.

Press Statement Census 2016 Results Profile 8 - Irish Travellers, Ethnicity and Religion - CSO - Central Statistics Office
 

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Have you any idea what you're talking about, at all? Those Fitness to Work interviews are a nightmare for genuinely ill people who can't work, who are too ill or too disabled to work. There was a documentary on one of the British channels a few years ago where people who were in absolutely no condition whatsoever to work, were sent in to secretly film the medicals. There were people who had worked for these companies who were whistle blowing because they couldn't stomach what was going on. These companies get a bonus for every person they take off benefits, as well as whatever their government contract is.

The more people who lose their benefit entitlements the more money these people make. So somebody who is genuinely ill, who is living on or below the poverty line, struggling to survive is told that they aren't entitled to benefit, even though they are so ill they are unemployable. There was a case only the other day of a man who won his appeal against them 7 months after his death. They stopped GP's doing medical reports on their own patients because they wanted GP's who would discriminate against claimants.

Margaret Cash, like 99.9% of Travelers, is a parasite, she's a cradle to grave Benefits claimant. I'd lay odds that she's claiming a disability payment on the grounds of her being illiterate, I'd lay odds that she's had at least 1 of her kids labelled with ADHD in order to claim benefits for that. The cycle has to end, the best place for her kids is in care, at least then they'd have some chance in life. If you believe she's a good mother you'd need your head examined, people like her destroy their kids psychologically and emotionally.

Man finally wins ‘fitness to work’ appeal against benefits bosses – seven months after his death | Daily Mail Online

According to the Central Statistics 80% of Travelers are unemployed and 11%, 3 times the national average, are on Disability Benefits.

Press Statement Census 2016 Results Profile 8 - Irish Travellers, Ethnicity and Religion - CSO - Central Statistics Office
So what do you propose? A sign in the social welfare office telling Travellers to sod off.

Travellers are not sub human, or parasites, such language is the prelude to the death camps. Travellers, or gypsy communities were massacred in their hundreds of thousands, within our living memory and it is disgraceful to use such language.

If some members of the Travelling community behave in an anti-social manner, or are gaming the system to get themselves benefits to which they are not entitled then deal with that problem. The most effective way is to intervene, not by breaking up families, but by providing supports in the housing, education and healthcare services.

I live in Longford, there is a large traveler community in our county and I am well aware of the issues that concern them and their neighbours. I am also aware that some, a relatively small number, are engaged in criminality and unpleasant behaviour.

Your horror at the fitness to work programme is justified, but it is the end product of the type of vilification in which you engage. Eventually, all recipients of social welfare can be classified as slackers, or loafers, lazy parasites. It is this categorization which leads to unjust solutions which punish people for being poor, or physically sick, disabled or mentally ill.
 

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Yep. If there was no social welfare, you end up with massive violent crime problems.

And Traveller Policy reinforces and enables a sense that societal norms just don't apply to their more dysfunctional members.
We have massive violent crime problems and the more dysfunctional members are the vast bulk, it seems to be their culture.
 

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So what do you propose? A sign in the social welfare office telling Travellers to sod off.

Travellers are not sub human, or parasites, such language is the prelude to the death camps. Travellers, or gypsy communities were massacred in their hundreds of thousands, within our living memory and it is disgraceful to use such language.

If some members of the Travelling community behave in an anti-social manner, or are gaming the system to get themselves benefits to which they are not entitled then deal with that problem. The most effective way is to intervene, not by breaking up families, but by providing supports in the housing, education and healthcare services.

I live in Longford, there is a large traveler community in our county and I am well aware of the issues that concern them and their neighbours. I am also aware that some, a relatively small number, are engaged in criminality and unpleasant behaviour.

Your horror at the fitness to work programme is justified, but it is the end product of the type of vilification in which you engage. Eventually, all recipients of social welfare can be classified as slackers, or loafers, lazy parasites. It is this categorization which leads to unjust solutions which punish people for being poor, or physically sick, disabled or mentally ill.
You are so deluded you actually need help. Seriously, you're absolutely deluded nonsense is what will ensure the continuation of a cycle of young girls being married off to abusive violent men who spend much of their lives in prison, who get them pregnant time after time after time. Young kids will never have any chance to better themselves because adult Travelers are against education, they treat women like second class citizens and are extremely homophobic. Many young Traveler men commit suicide because the ''culture'' is so wonderful and worth protecting. Most Travelers don't live in caravans or on halting sites, they don't travel and they don't abide by the laws of the land. They are not an ethnic minority, they are lawless white Irish layabouts who should be treated as such and not pandered to.
 

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We have massive violent crime problems and the more dysfunctional members are the vast bulk, it seems to be their culture.
We do not have 'massive violent crime problems' in this country.
We have some problems ok, but compared to other countries Ireland is a very safe country to live in.
 

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Not to worry.
Under this FG government there will eventually be a hard plastic chair for all the children of the nation.

Leo must be so proud.

It's great that he's getting the recognition he deserves. having been recently nominated for

The No-Balls Peace Prize!!
 

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While your mother of 6 is forced to sleep in a Garda station, immigrant families are being doled out 4 bed houses by the FFG cartel.

No waiting lists for people who don't even live here but nothing for locals who've been on waiting lists for 9 years :(
 

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While your mother of 6 is forced to sleep in a Garda station, immigrant families are being doled out 4 bed houses by the FFG cartel.

No waiting lists for people who don't even live here but nothing for locals who've been on waiting lists for 9 years :(
Well no, immigrant families go on the same housing list as everyone else, if they meet the same criteria. Unless you mean the refugees who are coming here under the EU resettlement program but that is paid for by the EU so it has no effect on the housing lists.
 

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Well no, immigrant families go on the same housing list as everyone else, if they meet the same criteria. Unless you mean the refugees who are coming here under the EU resettlement program but that is paid for by the EU so it has no effect on the housing lists.
Except they get a house that could go to someone more deserving, like a local who's been on the list for 11 years.

And the EU only pay 75%, the council pay the other 25%, so locals lose out there as well.
 

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Except they get a house that could go to someone more deserving, like a local who's been on the list for 11 years.

And the EU only pay 75%, the council pay the other 25%, so locals lose out there as well.
How do locals lose out?
 

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They lose a home which could go to an Irish family.
They would only lose a home if these homes were specificity bought as social homes for Irish people and then redistribute to refugees instead. But that is not the case. The Councils are only the local partners sourcing the Refugees short term accommodation for 18 months. The refugees are not getting Council houses. So no Irish person is losing out.
 

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They would only lose a home if these homes were specificity bought as social homes for Irish people and then redistribute to refugees instead. But that is not the case. The Councils are only the local partners sourcing the Refugees short term accommodation for 18 months. The refugees are not getting Council houses. So no Irish person is losing out.
You can twist this any way you like, but if an Irish person has been on the list for years, and an immigrant family (who may not even be here) are given a house and the Irish person is still on the list and you can't see how the Irish family is losing out?

You can shut your eyes to this sort of injustice but most people will see it for what it is.
 

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They would only lose a home if these homes were specificity bought as social homes for Irish people and then redistribute to refugees instead. But that is not the case. The Councils are only the local partners sourcing the Refugees short term accommodation for 18 months. The refugees are not getting Council houses. So no Irish person is losing out.
You must know this is false, the 'refugees' will be going nowhere in 18 months, they are being given houses and taxpayers money, they will stay right where they are and keep on taking what is being given.

So you tell me, where will they go after 18 months?
 

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You must know this is false, the 'refugees' will be going nowhere in 18 months, they are being given houses and taxpayers money, they will stay right where they are and keep on taking what is being given.

So you tell me, where will they go after 18 months?
How do you know they will not get jobs and businesses and work for a living?
 
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