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mr_anderson

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Could you elaborate
Sure.

''Last year, I decided to ask the Department of Social Protection what percentage of rent supplement was paid out to non-Irish EU nationals, and non-EU nationals.

As at February of last year, the figure was 35pc. This is a remarkable total. Remember, 17pc of the population is "foreign-born", so immigrants are over-represented in the figures by two to one.

More recently, I asked Fingal County Council what percentage of its social housing stock is occupied by non-Irish EU nationals and by non-EU nationals. The total comes to 15pc, but the great majority (86pc) of the 15pc come from outside the EU.

I also asked what percentage of those waiting for social housing fell into these same categories. Some 61pc are Irish citizens (some might be naturalised immigrants), and the rest (39pc) are citizens of other countries, with 16pc from outside the EU.

The ERSI report shows that 70pc of non-Irish are in the private rental sector, as distinct from being homeowners etc. That's a lot of people. So, what effect is that having on the cost of rent and the availability of rental property?

Between 2012 and 2014, according to the same report, "the proportion of residents born in other EU member states decreased by one percentage point from 11pc to 10pc".

But over the same period the proportion of residents from non-EU member states rose from 4pc of the population to 7pc. That is, it almost doubled in just two years.''

Huge scale of immigration is making our housing crisis worse - Independent.ie
 

cobhguy

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Sure.

''Last year, I decided to ask the Department of Social Protection what percentage of rent supplement was paid out to non-Irish EU nationals, and non-EU nationals.

As at February of last year, the figure was 35pc. This is a remarkable total. Remember, 17pc of the population is "foreign-born", so immigrants are over-represented in the figures by two to one.

More recently, I asked Fingal County Council what percentage of its social housing stock is occupied by non-Irish EU nationals and by non-EU nationals. The total comes to 15pc, but the great majority (86pc) of the 15pc come from outside the EU.

I also asked what percentage of those waiting for social housing fell into these same categories. Some 61pc are Irish citizens (some might be naturalised immigrants), and the rest (39pc) are citizens of other countries, with 16pc from outside the EU.

The ERSI report shows that 70pc of non-Irish are in the private rental sector, as distinct from being homeowners etc. That's a lot of people. So, what effect is that having on the cost of rent and the availability of rental property?

Between 2012 and 2014, according to the same report, "the proportion of residents born in other EU member states decreased by one percentage point from 11pc to 10pc".

But over the same period the proportion of residents from non-EU member states rose from 4pc of the population to 7pc. That is, it almost doubled in just two years.''

Huge scale of immigration is making our housing crisis worse - Independent.ie
So you just copied that from the article. The article is just one persons opinion and it does not really elaborate much.
But we can have a look at it.
35pc rent supplement foreign born, He does not elaborate, This could be because foreigners prefer not to buy or are less likely to have a social house in the rest of the country or simply earn less money so are entitled to rent allowance or just more likely to apply for rent allowance.


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But over the same period the proportion of residents from non-EU member states rose from 4pc of the population to 7pc. That is, it almost doubled in just two years.'' "

Non EU nationals can only come here under working visa's and study visa's excluding refugees. So they would all be working and adding to the economy.

"I also asked what percentage of those waiting for social housing fell into these same categories. Some 61pc are Irish citizens (some might be naturalised immigrants), and the rest (39pc) are citizens of other countries, with 16pc from outside the EU."

As this is only from fingal Council area and not the whole country this number is useless unless we have a recent population breakdown of fingal to compare it to.

"70pc of non-Irish are in the private rental sector" Again they are adding to the economy, working. The article does not show anywhere any link that these people are disproportionately affecting house or rental prices.

The article seems to try and say that more foreigners means less houses from Irish.

A simple analogy could show 10 Irish and 3 non Irish competing in a market of ten properties. So 13 people for ten properties. Then you say, because of supply and demand this makes prices higher and less likely an Irish person will get one. Sounds simple but makes one big presumption.

It presumes that if there where no non-irish that those ten houses would of been built. That is a mistake and the is no proof of it. Maybe only 7 houses would of been built. So unless you can show this, you can not say that there are less houses for Irish.
 

cobhguy

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It's not opinion.
It was the stats provided by the councils !
No the article is his option about house and rental prices based on stats that have nothing to do with prices but with population and occupancy. So it's all option.
 

mr_anderson

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No the article is his option about house and rental prices based on stats that have nothing to do with prices but with population and occupancy. So it's all option.
Are you saying you can't see the (very basic) connection between house & rental prices and the increase in a population ?
 

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The Director of the Dublin Housing executive spoke about housing and immigration yesterday.

She said family reunification means the council goes from housing one adult male in a bedsit to housing nine and more of his family once his application for reunification is accepted. If we build five six and seven bedroomed council houses we will fill them immediately with North Africans. This is not what the Irish taxpayer wants and its ridiculous to think any country, even wealthy large country like Germany could absorb endless migration from North Africa never mind a tiny country the size of Ireland with a big housing problem
 

Herr Rommel

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The Director of the Dublin Housing executive spoke about housing and immigration yesterday.

She said family reunification means the council goes from housing one adult male in a bedsit to housing nine and more of his family once his application for reunification is accepted. If we build five six and seven bedroomed council houses we will fill them immediately with North Africans. This is not what the Irish taxpayer wants and its ridiculous to think any country, even wealthy large country like Germany could absorb endless migration from North Africa never mind a tiny country the size of Ireland with a big housing problem
Two years ago there were posters on here who laughed when I said this was going to happen.
 

buttercookie

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And bad and all as the travellers are at least they have lived on this Island for decades. I definitely think a traveller living in a caravan in poor conditions should be housed before economic migrants from Africa.
This family reunification thing is a joke, if an asylum seeker who arrives here on a plane wants to live with his family then we will buy him a one way ticket back on condition he never comes to Ireland again.
 

cobhguy

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Are you saying you can't see the (very basic) connection between house & rental prices and the increase in a population ?
Very very minimal connection in limited circumstances. Its mainly down to supply and demand plus availability of credit.
 
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