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How can Parish Pump politics be ended?


Congalltee

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The short answer is whenever the parishes so decide.

But matters which would help:
- larger constituencies with fewer TDs
- the addition of a list system, elected from the unsuccessful candidates in proportion.
- a ban on politicians (like the DPP and Nama non-interference clauses) in planning, social welfare appeals, medical card applications, passports.
- priests to embarrass any politician attending a funeral of someone he/she does not know.
- Dail to sit 4 day week.
- requirement that any person elected a TD must have their job available to them, if they lose their seat (like teachers)

Anything else?
 
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MrFunkyBoogaloo

The short answer is whenever the parishes so decide.

But matters which would help:
- larger constituencies with fewer TDs
- the addition of a list system, elected from the unsuccessful candidates in proportion.
- a ban on politicians (like the DPP and Nama non-interference clauses) in planning, social welfare appeals, medical card applications, passports.
- priests to embarrass any politician attending a funeral of someone he/she does not know.
- Dail to sit 4 day week.
- requirement that any person elected a TD must have their job available to them, if they lose their seat (like teachers)

Anything else?
give more power to local government in the hope that national politicians work for the national interest ... ?
 

GDPR

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I see no harm at all in national politicians being close to local issues. It seems to me that it's one of the best aspects of our current system.
 
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MrFunkyBoogaloo

I see no harm at all in national politicians being close to local issues. It seems to me that it's one of the best aspects of our current system.
Therein lies the paradox though. Can you have a national politician working closely with local issues?

Afterall we do elect local government too.
 

Foghorn

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I see no harm at all in national politicians being close to local issues. It seems to me that it's one of the best aspects of our current system.
I'm inclined to agree. Isn't it said that "all politics are local".

Doesn't the Gentleman from Texas represent the people of Texas when he speaks in Washington?
 
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RepublicanSocialist1798

Simple solution: stregthen the powers of local councils and either allow them to collect rates or pass a law stating a certain percentage of taxes collected in the county must be given to the county council.
 

GDPR

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Therein lies the paradox though. Can you have a national politician working closely with local issues?

Afterall we do elect local government too.
Not only do I believe you can, but I believe it would be much the worse for us if the politicians who voted on a national level did not have a complete understanding of the issues on the ground and they will only get that from constant contact with their voters.
 

Raketemensch

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give more power to local government in the hope that national politicians work for the national interest ... ?
I don't understand why TDs are involved in local issues at all. What is the purpose of having local politicians at all?

I also don't understand how or why TDs get people medical cards. Surely if someone is elligible for a medical card they will get it. Can a politician get a medical card for someone who is not elligible?

I do not understand why people want politicians who are not family friends at their loved ones' funerals. Why is the appearance of a person on an obvious PR job a comfort to the bereaved?
 

Casualbets

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Not only do I believe you can, but I believe it would be much the worse for us if the politicians who voted on a national level did not have a complete understanding of the issues on the ground and they will only get that from constant contact with their voters.
Casualbets unanimously supports Tonic's comments. He couldn't better put it himselves.
 

wicklowperson

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The famous Tip O'Neill Senator for New York (with a staff of over 50) always said
"All politics are local"
and he is so right, the Irish people want to be able to talk, meet, and greet their TD's/ Councillors
 

j2mey

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I do not understand why people want politicians who are not family friends at their loved ones' funerals. Why is the appearance of a person on an obvious PR job a comfort to the bereaved?
One of these days we'll see some upright person putting "No priests or politicians" at the end of the funeral notice of their loved one, in the paper.
What would the politicians do then?
They'd probably still go to the funeral the idiots!
They'd think it didn't mean them or else they'd be afraid that the rest would show up and steal a march on them.
 

Casualbets

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I don't understand why TDs are involved in local issues at all. What is the purpose of having local politicians at all?
Because this is after all the areas these people represent. There is nothing absolutely wrong with TDs engaging in local issues - it broadens their knowledge and skillbase. Whats wrong is politicians simply acting as messengerboys.

I also don't understand how or why TDs get people medical cards. Surely if someone is elligible for a medical card they will get it. Can a politician get a medical card for someone who is not elligible?
Maybe in the old days, but not so much these days I reckon.

I do not understand why people want politicians who are not family friends at their loved ones' funerals. Why is the appearance of a person on an obvious PR job a comfort to the bereaved?
Bury The Dead or The Living will bury you. The presence of a TD or a Councillor - as the area's representative - silently infers that the departed was a person of note in the locality. A Councillor/TD who neglects to attend funerals where he/she would be expected would be likely to pay the consequences of his/her perceived disrespect at the next election.
 

uriah

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No TD attended my parents' funerals.

If it is such a common practice, should I feel offended?
 

Casualbets

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It's up to yourself I suppose. I suppose a representative's absence would be more keenly felt in rural areas than in urban areas.
 

uriah

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It's up to yourself I suppose. I suppose a representative's absence would be more keenly felt in rural areas than in urban areas.
Couldn't have been more rural (Kerry South). We wouldn't have expected them to attend as any of the family wouldn't have known the TDs so we didn't notice their absence.

Is the practice of TDs attending funerals as common as posters here would have us believe?
 

uriah

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Do TDs receive any induction or meaningful training when they are elected?
In most jobs, some period of training is given to new employees.

Surely newly elected TDs would benefit from training in parliamentary procedure, the constitutional responsibilities of a TD, etc., etc.?

Newly elected TDs /Senators would surely have time to attend such a course which could be designed and delivered by one of our third-level constitutions in Dublin.
 

j2mey

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Is the practice of TDs attending funerals as common as posters here would have us believe?
YES they are unbelievable - I think, they think, this is their main job.
They spend half the day looking up death notices and the other half going to funerals. If they miss a funeral (horror, horror) they'll send a mass card.

It is a stupid practise and I will come back and haunt any politician who comes near my dead body - they do me enough damage during live.
 

j2mey

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Do TDs receive any induction or meaningful training when they are elected?Newly elected TDs /Senators would surely have time to attend such a course which could be designed and delivered by one of our third-level constitutions in Dublin.
They are too busy attending funerals!
 
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