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How do we know the Catholic Church isnt abusing in lesser developed countries?

st333ve

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No matter how accountable this 'Church' becomes in Ireland, in other places across the world this corrupt cult is probably getting away with the same sick things it was doing here for years.

Assurances that things have changed here should not suffice, why should me or anyone else believe that this organisation has changed when the only thing that exposed it was decades of campaigning and the modernisation of the country?

In my opinion the only thing that changed was the economic status or Ireland, the Church is still the same and the same sort of characters are most likely getting away with the same things in lesser developed countries where churches can control children's welfare without accountability or the funding to protect them.
 


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st333ve

Your fears are entirely well founded:

A book called "Amen" written by Sister Jesme has already sold out in India. The autobiography alleges priests and nuns not only break their vows of celibacy but do so by regularly forcing sex from novices and she alleges further sexual abuse and bullying within the ranks.

The Catholic Church there is rife with sexual controversies, and has only just been reeling from the "adoption" of an attractive 26-year-old female companion by a serious Bishop there.

The author herself claims being forced into lesbian acts by one of the sisters when she was a novice, and she speaks of being propositions in the confessional by a priest who even citied biblical references to back up his move.

Dr Paul Thelekkat a spokesman for the Church said

How far what she says is well-founded I can't say, but the issues are not very serious. We're living with human beings in a community and she should realise this is part of human life".
Maybe YOUR sick little life Thelekkat but rape, abuse and bullying is NOT part of mine.

All of this follows the Sister Abhaya murder case, allegedly murdered by two priests and a nun.

What can you do? Well I do not know, but step 1 would be to remove yourself from the church and their books. If you have not already done so then remember simply not going to church is not enough. They still speak for you as your name is on their membership lists. To change this go to Count Me Out - Take a stand for church/state separation or www.catholic.ie and get yourself off their register.

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sources:
http://www.dancewithshadows.com/politics/amen-autobiography-of-a-nun-sister-jesme/
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/asia/india/4733272/Indian-nun-claims-sex-is-rife-within-Catholic-Church.html
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/asia/former-nun-tells-of-sex-and-suffering-inside-indian-convent-1627077.html
 
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"Bless me Father, for YOU have sinned!"

Might be the opening to my next confession if I was ever to be converted back to all that religious nonsense.

Thank goodness that particular organisation has received yet another mortal blow in the media where children will see it and think awhile.
 

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I posted at thread here a few weeks back on the Christian Brothers who have moved on to new pastures working with "street children". Check out their websites.

They are funding their activities, I presume, with assets they have been allowed to keep and move out of Ireland.
 

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I posted at thread here a few weeks back on the Christian Brothers who have moved on to new pastures working with "street children". Check out their websites.

They are funding their activities, I presume, with assets they have been allowed to keep and move out of Ireland.
Of course you'd step up to take over the thankless work once you've bankrupted them.
 

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They most likely are. The Catholic Church is structured in a manner which creates secrecy and unaccountability. The whole idea of religious orders who are ostensibly, at least for legal purposes, independent of the central Catholic Church but at the same time under the authority of Rome is irrelevant. Add to that anytime a complaint is made about these orders it just gets lost in the corridors of the Vatican... or rather hidden in the corridors of the Vatican... and it is clear that the body is institutionally corrupt. The central institution is resting on its laurels comfortable in its feeding of the genuine Christian faith of many around the world, but that can only last so long. Its time the Christians in the Catholic Church took the Church back for themselves in my mind, and I am not even a Catholic. They can start by ditching the secrecy of the Vatican and disassembling the religious orders. No organisation can grant a franchise to an independent body if they can't be held to account.
 

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Of course you'd step up to take over the thankless work once you've bankrupted them.
I wonder what the motivation is for Christian brothers in doing thankless work with children who have no one to defend them. Do they make a profit from them too like they did here.
 

st333ve

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Ireland should create its own churches, this international Roman Catholic organisation is not an organisation people should follow.

I hope their churches lie empty and rot.

They might apologise for what happened here, but there's nothing stopping them from doing it elsewhere.

They may as well say they're sorry what they done in Cork and then go and do it again in Dublin.

Ireland is just one of their many regions.
 

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They most likely are. The Catholic Church is structured in a manner which creates secrecy and unaccountability. The whole idea of religious orders who are ostensibly, at least for legal purposes, independent of the central Catholic Church but at the same time under the authority of Rome is irrelevant. Add to that anytime a complaint is made about these orders it just gets lost in the corridors of the Vatican... or rather hidden in the corridors of the Vatican... and it is clear that the body is institutionally corrupt. The central institution is resting on its laurels comfortable in its feeding of the genuine Christian faith of many around the world, but that can only last so long. Its time the Christians in the Catholic Church took the Church back for themselves in my mind, and I am not even a Catholic. They can start by ditching the secrecy of the Vatican and disassembling the religious orders. No organisation can grant a franchise to an independent body if they can't be held to account.
+1
 

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Everyone knew what they were up to in this country for years. We all knew. Our parents knew. The fear of the priests kept everyone silent. You think anyone would have stood up to a priest and not be suddenly carted off to a mental home because they were "insane"? The church was the state.

we can take it for granted that they were/are raping boys around the world to this very day.
 

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It's been estimated that around 2% of priests are paedophiles. While that means 98% are not, given the number of priests there are, one would assume there are a pretty significant number of cases in developing countries that aren't coming out. (Not just in the Catholic church obviously but similar reasoning applying to abuse by teachers etc). So I would imagine there are quite large numbers of abuse cases in those countries that don't come out.
 

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It's been estimated that around 2% of priests are paedophiles. While that means 98% are not, given the number of priests there are, one would assume there are a pretty significant number of cases in developing countries that aren't coming out. (Not just in the Catholic church obviously but similar reasoning applying to abuse by teachers etc). So I would imagine there are quite large numbers of abuse cases in those countries that don't come out.
I think it was rather higher than 2% in the Dublin Diocese, according to the Murphy report.
 

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and yet...people will still go to a mass on sunday and put their money into the pockets of this organisation that actively covered up for child abusers for decades. thats what really irritates me.
 

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and yet...people will still go to a mass on sunday and put their money into the pockets of this organisation that actively covered up for child abusers for decades. thats what really irritates me.
Agreed. The pace of change is astoundingly and depressingly slow.
 

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in truth we don't...........

however, when one considers their complicity in child rape here in the past, I think that it is reasonable to presume they are still at it with the onus of proof of innocence being on them, no matter where they are operating..........

If van and bike drivers are called murderers due to being part of the 'murder gang', anybody involved in 'cover-up's' or 'assistance' of child rapists, should be seen in the same light, no matter who they are......

What Minister Aherne needs to do is to conduct a widespread 'soft audit', in the first instance, all members of the oireachtas should be 'soft audited', to show us that they have no accusations against them and in turn to assure us that our lawmakers are the cleanest of us all........the issue of camera courts must also be urgently addressed.......
 

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Agreed. The pace of change is astoundingly and depressingly slow.
Shocking alright! In work this morning some guy was saying how it wasn't the church but just a few renegade priests. I fear that that misconception might be more widespread than a few naive eejits at my job.... you have to wonder what peoples reaction would be if this had been a boy scout type of club. would they continue to support it and allow their children to be involved in it? guess it shows us just how much of a grip the RC church has on the people here...
 


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