How have ordinary folk from the 2004 EU Accession States fared since their countries joined up?

Zach Dingle

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I think the real winners were the young people from The Baltics and Poland who left to find work elsewhere.
I was speaking to a Lithuanian who is working in financial services here and he said The Euro, itself, was an unmitagated disaster for ordinary Lithuanians back home, essentially, a con job.
Most likely, big business may have done well and The German Economy, but what of the real plain people who remained in their own homelands?
 


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Poland I'd say is the only big winner

The micro States the worst off

They suffered a huge outflow of their young people to the bright lights of Manchester and Limerick etc

Hungary has seen that unless it fights back the EU will walk all over it...
 

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I've been in Poland and Bulgaria recently. There's a shortage of people in their twenties. I expect emigration is the reason, their smart folk are leaving for better paying jobs and women looking to marry well. I noticed the women there are less pretty than the ones here, probably as they've less chance of marrying a man with money
 
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I've been in Poland and Bulgaria recently. There's a shortage of people in their twenties. I expect emigration is the reason, their smart folk are leaving for better paying jobs and women looking to marry well.
It's partially it, it's more to do with the birth rate dropping like a stone. It exploded in the 50s, then dropped significantly in the 80s and early 90s. So you've got an aging population with a relatively lower number of taxpayers (Despite the population increasing over that time). They're looking at a drop in population of about 10% over the next 30 years based on birth rate.

The solution for now to address the need for builders etc when the 2018 EU Infra money pours in is to bring in folks from Ukraine and change the laws to promote child birth.

I noticed the women there are less pretty than the ones here, probably as they've less chance of marrying a man with
Idiot.
 

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It's partially it, it's more to do with the birth rate dropping like a stone. It exploded in the 50s, then dropped significantly in the 80s and early 90s. So you've got an aging population with a relatively lower number of taxpayers (Despite the population increasing over that time). They're looking at a drop in population of about 10% over the next 30 years based on birth rate.

The solution for now to address the need for builders etc when the 2018 EU Infra money pours in is to bring in folks from Ukraine and change the laws to promote child birth.



Idiot.
Not sure why you insult me. Look at the president of the USA's wives. Many rich men like the Eastern European look, not for me but many do, wealthy men are hardly seeking the less attractive ones.
 

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I think the real winners were the young people from The Baltics and Poland who left to find work elsewhere.
I was speaking to a Lithuanian who is working in financial services here and he said The Euro, itself, was an unmitagated disaster for ordinary Lithuanians back home, essentially, a con job.
Most likely, big business may have done well and The German Economy, but what of the real plain people who remained in their own homelands?
Did he give any details as to why he thought this was the case?
 

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I've been in Poland and Bulgaria recently. There's a shortage of people in their twenties. I expect emigration is the reason, their smart folk are leaving for better paying jobs and women looking to marry well. I noticed the women there are less pretty than the ones here, probably as they've less chance of marrying a man with money
Please stop with the stupid
 

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I've been in Poland and Bulgaria recently. There's a shortage of people in their twenties. I expect emigration is the reason, their smart folk are leaving for better paying jobs and women looking to marry well. I noticed the women there are less pretty than the ones here, probably as they've less chance of marrying a man with money
Their countries have been plundered by the bankers of the real EU, the young men have emigrated and are bouncers and the young women are escorts or cleaners.
 

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Their countries have been plundered by the bankers of the real EU, the young men have emigrated and are bouncers and the young women are escorts or cleaners.
So much bigotry and so many insults, all in less that 30 words - were you going for a record?
 

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definitely, giving control to european bureaucrats is great for europe's young people.
Indeed, getting rid of Sovereignty has been great for the bureaucrats and US vulture funds.

Thanks ffg :(
 

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Despite the terrible population demographics of many of the 2004 accession states, at least states like Poland, Czech Republic, Hungary and Slovakia are not willing to seeing their country destroyed by Islamic immigration unlike Western Europe.
 

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Agriculture and Hospitality sectors are now no-go zones for Irish job applicants.
 

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Croatian friend appalled by the scale of emigration from their country.

Recognizes that they have been politically poorly served by corrupt governments.

But there country is just being used as a pool of cheap labour.

While we in the West of the continent are falling over ourselves clapping the policies of neo liberalism the same policies are having serious consequences in the east.
 

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Agriculture and Hospitality sectors are now no-go zones for Irish job applicants.
Are Irish people willing to work in those industries? A friend of mine was a hotel manager up until 2013 and she stated that even during the recession she didn't get any Irish applications.
 

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Agriculture and Hospitality sectors are now no-go zones for Irish job applicants.
By regarding immigration as having an economic dimension you reveal yourself to be right wing.

A left wing person here would never talk about immigration as having an economic dimension.

Well bar Corbyn and Sanders but then there genuinely left wing.

But the rest will talk about doing jobs the lazy indigents won't do or about the wonderful wonderfulness that results. That is they'll either sound like neo liberals or they'll trade in nonsense.
 

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I've been in Poland and Bulgaria recently. There's a shortage of people in their twenties. I expect emigration is the reason, their smart folk are leaving for better paying jobs and women looking to marry well. I noticed the women there are less pretty than the ones here, probably as they've less chance of marrying a man with money
I think the same phenomena must have happened here.
 


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