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How Long can FG/FF keep the Dail closed?

bazlad

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Regardless of who the next government is, how long can FG/FF effectively keep the Dail closed?
If the current impasse runs up the the Dail recess (which isn't beyond possibility) then the Dail could be closed for over 6 months.

the Constitution isn't very reassuring as it states that :the oireachtas shall hold at least one session every year.

Why is the parliament of the state being treated so abusively by FF/FG?
 


Dame_Enda

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They seem to be using the interregnum to stop policies being debated in the Dail.
 

bazlad

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They seem to be using the interregnum to stop policies being debated in the Dail.
It shows that FG/FF treat the dail as a rubber stamping house, to whatever the government of the day want.
When they dont know what the government is, they are so afraid of what the Dail MIGHT vote for, they use standing orders to suspend its sitting.
 

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Regardless of who the next government is, how long can FG/FF effectively keep the Dail closed?
If the current impasse runs up the the Dail recess (which isn't beyond possibility) then the Dail could be closed for over 6 months.

the Constitution isn't very reassuring as it states that :the oireachtas shall hold at least one session every year.

Why is the parliament of the state being treated so abusively by FF/FG?
Because FF/FG are fascist barstewards! Its time President Higgins called a new election. If FF/FG's defecating on Democracy and their fight over the portions of their snouts in the tax payers trough goes on any longer their will have to be a new Rising !
 

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There are 39 in Right to water (unless you live in rural Ireland of course where you always had to pay for it) with FF 43 a majority! Abolish IW charges then ask Prez for election! Simples! Just to be clear even if FF & FG decide to throw the towel in the Prez can decide not to dissolve the Dail. Spain are still at it since before xmas and other Euro countries were without governments for weeks months longer. I think it is time though for the 39 and FF sit down work out a shorterm deal 6 months get this water thing out of the way once and for all!
 

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'Acting in own narrow self interest'? SF.. the party that refused to be part of any government discussions because they're too busy focused on their own narrow political interests.

Pleeze.
 

bazlad

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There are 39 in Right to water (unless you live in rural Ireland of course where you always had to pay for it) with FF 43 a majority! Abolish IW charges then ask Prez for election! Simples! Just to be clear even if FF & FG decide to throw the towel in the Prez can decide not to dissolve the Dail. Spain are still at it since before xmas and other Euro countries were without governments for weeks months longer. I think it is time though for the 39 and FF sit down work out a shorterm deal 6 months get this water thing out of the way once and for all!

As much as id like to see Water charges eradicated, forming a government on a single issue seems like a crazy approach.
If the government cant be formed for a while, let the Dail sit and see what happens.

FG and FF still command a majority, so they can defeat any bill by vote (if they agree).
But refusing to let the dail sit cause they MIGHT not like the bills the other side put forward seem to me the adult version of taking the ball home cause noone passed to you.
 

bazlad

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'Acting in own narrow self interest'? SF.. the party that refused to be part of any government discussions because they're too busy focused on their own narrow political interests.

Pleeze.

What has SF got to do with my post??
 

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Are the lengths and dates of a Dail recess a matter of tradition or mandated by law? If it's not necessary, surely to god they'll not take a full recess. If they take a full one, will that allow a new government enough time to be briefed by departments before budget season or will that have to be pushed back also? It's all very hokey.
 

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What has SF got to do with my post??

They have everything to do with your post.

SF has ruled out any involvement in the process of forming a government.

FG and FF are making some effort, and you accuse them of keeping the Dail closed.

SF/IRA is washing it's hands of the democratic process and people who have watched their antics over the years won't be greatly surprised.
 

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They have everything to do with your post.

SF has ruled out any involvement in the process of forming a government.

FG and FF are making some effort, and you accuse them of keeping the Dail closed.

SF/IRA is washing it's hands of the democratic process and people who have watched their antics over the years won't be greatly surprised.

Again, what has SF got to do with my point??
Or is this what passes for political discussion on this site?
If someone questions FG/FF strategy, they must be a Shinner. Pathetic.

there are 64 elected representatives in Dail Eireann who aren't FF or FG.
Ireland is a representative democracy, and they are entitled to represent their constituents in the parliament.
If the majority of TDs keep voting to suspend the parliament, how can that be defended?

Im not 'accusing' FF/FG of keeping the Dail closed, that's the facts.
For the last 2 months, the Dail sits to vote on the Taoiseach, and then the (acting) Taoiseach moves to suspend the Dail until the next vote, and FF vote with the (acting) Taoiseach.

there is no reason that the parliament of the state cant sit. The Dail and the executive are completely separate entities.
 
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bazlad

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Are the lengths and dates of a Dail recess a matter of tradition or mandated by law? If it's not necessary, surely to god they'll not take a full recess. If they take a full one, will that allow a new government enough time to be briefed by departments before budget season or will that have to be pushed back also? It's all very hokey.
ah holidays are planned, flights booked. cant see that being changed now!
 

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Fine Gael and Fianna Fail have a long a proud tradition (amongst themselves) for flat out denying the people of Ireland with representation in the dail.

Check their history, aways in cahoots to deny the Irish people their democratic voice for as long as is possible.

They're a menace to our democracy :D
 

gerhard dengler

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What role/powers are you suggesting the President has in this situation.
the only power i suggest he has is to accept/refuse the Dail to be dissolved.
He could exercise his powers under article 13 of the Constitution.

“My hope is that whatever happens will be to the benefit of the Irish people. You will appreciate I can’t comment further at this time, it would be improper.”
 

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