How long until the patience of workers in Ireland runs out?

making waves

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by Joe Higgins, Socialist Party MEP

The economic establishment wants to turn Irish workers into the “coolies” of Western Europe – low paid, working long hours and in general at the beck and call of their masters.

This has also been the thrust of the propaganda campaign against public sector workers in certain media for a period of years. This propaganda suggests that the public sector is heavily overstaffed and that public sector workers are massively overpaid. The true facts are conveniently ignored.

In 2008, the Organisation for Economic Cooperation and Development (OECD) published a report on the Irish public sector which gives the lie to the propaganda claims. The Report states, “As compared with other OECD countries, 2005 data indicate that general employment in Ireland…is relatively low among OECD countries and is significantly less that the level of public employment in Norway, Sweden, France, Finland and Belgium.” Again the Report states, “Government policy therefore has actually decreased the total number of public sector employees as a percentage of the labour force and decreased the overall public sector wage bill as a percentage of GDP.” Again, “The public sector workforce, excluding commercial state sponsored bodies, is relatively low compared with other OECD countries, and significantly less that the level of public employment in Norway, Sweden, France, Finland and Belgium.” So much then for the “bloated public sector”, a phrase much loved by right wing economic journalists.

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How long until the patience of workers in Ireland runs out? | Joe Higgins.eu
 


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Does that OECD Report take account of the fact that the countries listed (Norway, Sweden, France, Finland and Belgium) have fairly significant militaries, which we don't?

Military budgets would also be rather large compared to other departments so should also skew figures.
 

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Its time that the workers visited catastrophic consequences on the bankers and their lackey politicians that brought the country to this.

What would it take to send a message to the bankers and their lickspittle politicos ?

I think they are a bit stupid and it may take some lead injected at high velocity into their moronic heads before they see the enormity of their criminality.
 

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Hell will freeze over before the workers of this country rise en masse against the current government.
 

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Does that OECD Report take account of the fact that the countries listed (Norway, Sweden, France, Finland and Belgium) have fairly significant militaries, which we don't?

Military budgets would also be rather large compared to other departments so should also skew figures.
Just one comparison to show how low public spending is in this country

Education spending -

Country % GDP
Denmark (DK) 8.43
Sweden (SE) 7.18
Cyprus (CY) 6.70
Finland (FI) 6.42
Belgium (BE) 5.99
Slovenia (SI) 5.85
France (FR) 5.81
Hungary (HU) 5.43
Austria (AT) 5.44
Estonia (EE) 4.98
Poland (PL) 5.41
Portugal (PT) 5.29
UK 5.25
Lithuania (LT) 5.20
Latvia (LV) 5.07
EU-27 5.07
Netherlands (NL) 5.16
Malta (MT) 4.85
Ireland (IE) 4.72

And in terms of the numbers completing third level (demonstrates the fact that the Irish education system is punching above its weight for the level of spending -

Country %
Czech Republic (CZ) 91.8
Poland (PL) 91.7
Slovakia (SK) 91.5
Slovenia (SI) 89.4
Lithuania (LT) 88.2
Sweden (SE) 86.5
Austria (AT) 85.8
Ireland (IE) 85.7
Finland (FI) 84.7
France (FR) 83.2
Cyprus (CY) 83.7
Belgium (BE) 82.4
Hungary (HU) 82.9
Estonia (EE) 82
Greece (EL) 81
Latvia (LV) 81
Bulgaria (BG) 80.5
United Kingdom (UK) 78.8
EU-27 77.9
Denmark (DK) 77.4
Romania (RO) 77.2
Netherlands (NL) 74.7
Italy (IT) 75.5
Germany (DE) 77.4
Luxembourg (LU) 69.3
Spain (ES) 61.6
Malta (MT) 50.4
Portugal (PT) 49.6
 

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Just one comparison to show how low public spending is in this country

Education spending -

Country % GDP
Denmark (DK) 8.43
Sweden (SE) 7.18
Cyprus (CY) 6.70
Finland (FI) 6.42
Belgium (BE) 5.99
Slovenia (SI) 5.85
France (FR) 5.81
Hungary (HU) 5.43
Austria (AT) 5.44
Estonia (EE) 4.98
Poland (PL) 5.41
Portugal (PT) 5.29
UK 5.25
Lithuania (LT) 5.20
Latvia (LV) 5.07
EU-27 5.07
Netherlands (NL) 5.16
Malta (MT) 4.85
Ireland (IE) 4.72
Although, to be fair, that's because a lot of these countries tax the 'workers.'

As far as I know, in Denmark, Sweden etc. you start paying income tax on a very low income.
 

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North Korea.

I think that there is a better chance of North Korea overthrowing their leaders than the people of Ireland revolting against their so-called leaders...
 

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Just one comparison to show how low public spending is in this country

Education spending -

Country % GDP
Denmark (DK) 8.43
Sweden (SE) 7.18
Cyprus (CY) 6.70
Finland (FI) 6.42
Belgium (BE) 5.99
Slovenia (SI) 5.85
France (FR) 5.81
Hungary (HU) 5.43
Austria (AT) 5.44
Estonia (EE) 4.98
Poland (PL) 5.41
Portugal (PT) 5.29
UK 5.25
Lithuania (LT) 5.20
Latvia (LV) 5.07
EU-27 5.07
Netherlands (NL) 5.16
Malta (MT) 4.85
Ireland (IE) 4.72

And in terms of the numbers completing third level (demonstrates the fact that the Irish education system is punching above its weight for the level of spending -

Country %
Czech Republic (CZ) 91.8
Poland (PL) 91.7
Slovakia (SK) 91.5
Slovenia (SI) 89.4
Lithuania (LT) 88.2
Sweden (SE) 86.5
Austria (AT) 85.8
Ireland (IE) 85.7
Finland (FI) 84.7
France (FR) 83.2
Cyprus (CY) 83.7
Belgium (BE) 82.4
Hungary (HU) 82.9
Estonia (EE) 82
Greece (EL) 81
Latvia (LV) 81
Bulgaria (BG) 80.5
United Kingdom (UK) 78.8
EU-27 77.9
Denmark (DK) 77.4
Romania (RO) 77.2
Netherlands (NL) 74.7
Italy (IT) 75.5
Germany (DE) 77.4
Luxembourg (LU) 69.3
Spain (ES) 61.6
Malta (MT) 50.4
Portugal (PT) 49.6
I believe the difference in Ireland's GDP and GNP may be skewing those figures. Our GNP is a more accurate reflection of output, considering that GDP includes profits, etc. of multinationals; money that does not remain in Ireland. Taking GNP instead of GDP would move Ireland (slightly) up that leaderboard that you show. I would imagine it would show Ireland to have a more average EU spend on education...still not great, though. Your point is probably still valid, however.
 

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I think that there is a better chance of North Korea overthrowing their leaders than the people of Ireland revolting against their so-called leaders...
Stop being silly.

This State is a Democracy and its pretty obvious that this Government will be booted out at the next General Election.

Hopefully within the next few months.:)

The people of the er ...Democratic Republic of Korea will be given no such opportunity to remove their own set of clowns.:mad:
 

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by Joe Higgins, Socialist Party MEP

The economic establishment wants to turn Irish workers into the “coolies” of Western Europe – low paid, working long hours and in general at the beck and call of their masters.

This has also been the thrust of the propaganda campaign against public sector workers in certain media for a period of years. This propaganda suggests that the public sector is heavily overstaffed and that public sector workers are massively overpaid. The true facts are conveniently ignored.

In 2008, the Organisation for Economic Cooperation and Development (OECD) published a report on the Irish public sector which gives the lie to the propaganda claims. The Report states, “As compared with other OECD countries, 2005 data indicate that general employment in Ireland…is relatively low among OECD countries and is significantly less that the level of public employment in Norway, Sweden, France, Finland and Belgium.” Again the Report states, “Government policy therefore has actually decreased the total number of public sector employees as a percentage of the labour force and decreased the overall public sector wage bill as a percentage of GDP.” Again, “The public sector workforce, excluding commercial state sponsored bodies, is relatively low compared with other OECD countries, and significantly less that the level of public employment in Norway, Sweden, France, Finland and Belgium.” So much then for the “bloated public sector”, a phrase much loved by right wing economic journalists.

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How long until the patience of workers in Ireland runs out? | Joe Higgins.eu
i.e only 5(since when Norway in EU?) countries from 27 have higher number of public servants then Ireland.
 

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I believe the difference in Ireland's GDP and GNP may be skewing those figures. Our GNP is a more accurate reflection of output, considering that GDP includes profits, etc. of multinationals; money that does not remain in Ireland. Taking GNP instead of GDP would move Ireland (slightly) up that leaderboard that you show. I would imagine it would show Ireland to have a more average EU spend on education...still not great, though. Your point is probably still valid, however.
plus data from 2005 is inflated by property bubble
data from 2010 will be more appropriate
 

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Hell will freeze over before the workers of this country rise en masse against the current government.
Situations whereby Irish people will rise up:

Lack of alcohol.
Lack of TV.

Situations whereby they wont rise up:

Lack of food (confirmed historically).
Lack of decent healthcare (confirmed recently).
Lack of fair and equal treatment under the law based on gender, sexual orientation, religion, perceived class or wealth. (confirmation ongoing).

In a nutshell, so long as we continue to have a few pints and the latest episode of The Apprentice, we are docile, sure ders atin' an drinkin' in a pint, doncha know.....
 

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i.e only 5(since when Norway in EU?) countries from 27 have higher number of public servants then Ireland.
The report was published by the OECD - not the EU.

The report stated that the size of the public service was ' low in relation to other OECD countries' and 'significantly less' than the 6 named countries. So there are a hell of a lot more than 5 countries with public sector employment bigger than Ireland.

Do try and keep up - and it helps if you actually read the article.
 

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by Joe Higgins, Socialist Party MEP

The economic establishment wants to turn Irish workers into the “coolies” of Western Europe – low paid, working long hours and in general at the beck and call of their masters.

This has also been the thrust of the propaganda campaign against public sector workers in certain media for a period of years. This propaganda suggests that the public sector is heavily overstaffed and that public sector workers are massively overpaid. The true facts are conveniently ignored.

In 2008, the Organisation for Economic Cooperation and Development (OECD) published a report on the Irish public sector which gives the lie to the propaganda claims. The Report states, “As compared with other OECD countries, 2005 data indicate that general employment in Ireland... “Government policy therefore has actually decreased the total number of public sector employees as a percentage of the labour force and decreased the overall public sector wage bill as a percentage of GDP.” ...
How long until the patience of workers in Ireland runs out? | Joe Higgins.eu

What sort of idiot is Joe Higgins ?

He is now relying on peak-bubble, 2005 GDP data to make a point about PS spending.

cYp
 

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Democracy in name only.

Stop being silly.

This State is a Democracy and its pretty obvious that this Government will be booted out at the next General Election.

Hopefully within the next few months.:)

The people of the er ...Democratic Republic of Korea will be given no such opportunity to remove their own set of clowns.:mad:
Yes Ireland is a democracy in name only...In reality it's the moneymen...i.e...the markets that pull the strings here...
I think to be honest...a change of govt in here in Ireland will make little difference...
 

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At the rate we're going there'll be no workers left to rise up.

Hard to believe we had a civil war . I mean some actually left the pub to actually fight over a political belief but then we had no TV then.
 

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The report was published by the OECD - not the EU.

The report stated that the size of the public service was ' low in relation to other OECD countries' and 'significantly less' than the 6 named countries. So there are a hell of a lot more than 5 countries with public sector employment bigger than Ireland.
At the same time Ireland has the highest paid public servants, especially on the top
Plus public services in Ireland much poorer the in rest of EU. How it is possible to compare Ireland with countries with state childcare, etc?
Plus Ireland cannot afford smallest public sector in whole EU, you know it yourself
There is no 300 Bn of wealth. There are a lot of land and properties, which were worth of 300 Bn on top of property bubble, now it costs nothing

It looks like Joe finally realized that he can get support only from state bureaucrats in order to justify more taxes on private sector workers
 

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Not a chance.

What sort of idiot is Joe Higgins ?

He is now relying on peak-bubble, 2005 GDP data to make a point about PS spending.

cYp
Although I do respect and admire Joe Higgins...He's one of the few in Irish politics which I do..However I think in this situation Joe Higgins is being naive...Not a chance that the Irish people will revolt...

Unfortunately we have the Soviet-style arrogance of our so-called leaders...which is being made worse by the Soviet-style apathy of the Irish people...
 

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The report was published by the OECD - not the EU.

The report stated that the size of the public service was ' low in relation to other OECD countries' and 'significantly less' than the 6 named countries. So there are a hell of a lot more than 5 countries with public sector employment bigger than Ireland.

Do try and keep up - and it helps if you actually read the article.
So how can we spend more on public services? Tax low earners more?

'Sweden has a large public sector with ambitious healthcare, educational and childcare systems. Therefore, a distinguishing feature of the Swedish tax system in international terms is high income taxes, even on very low incomes. This is due to very low basic allowance. Also, the highest marginal taxes in Sweden, the percentage paid on the last krona, is about 57 percent and occurs at a, internationally speaking, low pay level.'

Sweden today | Ekonomifakta.se
 

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Yes Ireland is a democracy in name only...In reality it's the moneymen...i.e...the markets that pull the strings here...
I think to be honest...a change of govt in here in Ireland will make little difference...
Well I think you are mistaken if you think Ireland is a Democracy in name only.

I suggest you visit North Korea and criticize Kim Jung Il and his comrades and you will quickly discover the difference!

What we have here is a flawed Democracy and a political society that urgently needs Reform.

We wont get that moving until this Government is consigned to the dustbin of History.

Vote them out next time out!:evil:
 


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