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How Messed up is the Post 9/11 Extradition Treaty with Britain ?: The Mc Kinnon case.


Christine Murray

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They could have offered the man a job, rather than torture him...

One person has been sought for extradition to the US since the instigation of a post 9/11 terrorist Treaty.
Interestingly he is an Asphergers Syndrome sufferer who hacked the Pentagon and left a message, to whit :

"Your security is sh'ite..." and indeed it was.....

This man who has fought for years to avoid extradition failed yet again to have his case reviewed by the House of
Commons, leading to the resignation of Andrew Mc Kinlay MP, his reason, his fellows MPs (64 of them) followed
Party diktat despite supporting Mc Kinnon's inital claims, story here:

Andrew MacKinlay MP quits over hacker Gary McKinnon's extradition - Telegraph : [Today]

It's up to Obama now to familiarise himself with the case of Mc Kinnon, the issue of Autism spectrum and the ECHR
fight, given that disability-aware Scot Gordon Brown would rather put his economic special relationship
and associated Treaties ahead of his responsibility to his own Constituents:

Extradition treaty sees only one terror suspect sent to US - Telegraph: [Ongoing MSM]

The utter failure of ex Home-Secretary Jackboots Smith to key the difference between a man who hacked
the Pentagon and the continued abuse of the offices of parliament and the ECHR for actual offences is
illuminated by the ongoing Qatada case:

http://www.politics.ie/foreign-affairs/46623-jacqui-smith-delighted-law-lords-decision-abu-qatada.html [Jihad Lawyers are V expensive]

That all dissolved like so many wispy fragrances and red-eyed interviews on £10 pound porno expenses by her hubby
and the endless salacious details of exactly which MP spent what on what they shouldn't.... The sublime meets
the ludicrious wherein one single Person who readily admits his guilt and wants to do his time near his family is tortured
by a system which allows Islamic hate crime thrive and rationalise itself through the very courts upon which jihad is declared!!!!!

it's a funny old world innit? :shock:

Related Links:
http://www.politics.ie/current-affairs/40365-obama-transition-team-pentagon-hacker-five-day-countdown.html
[P.ie]
http://www.politics.ie/current-affairs/32944-pentagon-hacker-mc-kinnon-loses-appeal.html [P.ie]
Free Gary McKinnon - or at least try him in the UK [Gary's Pages]
 

Garibaldy

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The Extradition Treaty is a disgrace. Totally unjust, and against the basic principles of legal proceedings - the need for evidence before proceedings can begin. There is no need for a case to be made before extradition takes place. The Americans can ask for whomever they want without providing evidence.

Of course, it was this Treaty that the US was trying to use when they attempted to sprit Seán Garland to the US from Belfast in 2005. And still they are attempting to persecute him, this time using the Irish courts when they have no evidence. Oppose the extradition of Seán Garland

Stop the Extradition of Sean Garland

http://www.seangarland.org/frameup.html
 

Christine Murray

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The Extradition Treaty is a disgrace. Totally unjust, and against the basic principles of legal proceedings - the need for evidence before proceedings can begin. There is no need for a case to be made before extradition takes place. The Americans can ask for whomever they want without providing evidence.

Of course, it was this Treaty that the US was trying to use when they attempted to sprit Seán Garland to the US from Belfast in 2005. And still they are attempting to persecute him, this time using the Irish courts when they have no evidence. Oppose the extradition of Seán Garland

Stop the Extradition of Sean Garland

A Case Study in Political Frame-ups
I don't mean to be rude, but could you start a Garland thread. This thread is about Mc Kinnon, if you check the OP you will
see that he is actually the only person to be extradited via Britain under the warrant.

Thus his case would be of a pressing nature given his asphergers etc, also he has said he is guilty and wants to go to
jail in the UK.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/newstopics/politics/lawandorder/5901657/Extradition-treaty-sees-only-one-terror-suspect-sent-to-US.html
 

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I don't mean to be rude, but could you start a Garland thread. This thread is about Mc Kinnon, if you check the OP you will
see that he is actually the only person to be extradited via Britain under the warrant.

Thus his case would be of a pressing nature given his asphergers etc, also he has said he is guilty and wants to go to
jail in the UK.

Extradition treaty sees only one terror suspect sent to US - Telegraph
The OP is wrong to say he is the only person, but I was too polite to point that out. Those three bankers were extradited under it. And there was an Islamist. Mc Kinnon hasn't been sent yet. Nor should he be. Nor should anyone under this Treaty.
 

Garibaldy

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The OP says this

"One person has been sought for extradition to the US since the instigation of a post 9/11 terrorist Treaty.
Interestingly he is an Asphergers Syndrome sufferer who hacked the Pentagon and left a message, to whit :"

Your previous comment says this

"This thread is about Mc Kinnon, if you check the OP you will
see that he is actually the only person to be extradited via Britain under the warrant"

Actually, the only terror suspect is an Islamist. McKinnon has not been extradited yet. And the Treaty has been used against others. And is in the process of being used against more. I have responded to the language you have used. If there is imprecision, then don't blame me. Anyway, I'd like to stay and squabble, but I'm off to a meeting about the Garland case.
 

Christine Murray

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The OP says this

"One person has been sought for extradition to the US since the instigation of a post 9/11 terrorist Treaty.
Interestingly he is an Asphergers Syndrome sufferer who hacked the Pentagon and left a message, to whit :"

Your previous comment says this

"This thread is about Mc Kinnon, if you check the OP you will
see that he is actually the only person to be extradited via Britain under the warrant"

Actually, the only terror suspect is an Islamist. McKinnon has not been extradited yet. And the Treaty has been used against others. And is in the process of being used against more. I have responded to the language you have used. If there is imprecision, then don't blame me. Anyway, I'd like to stay and squabble, but I'm off to a meeting about the Garland case.
Maybe when you return , you could publish it on a separate thread and I will read it therein.

I based the OP on the contrast between the Qatada and Mc Kinnon cases and would be interested
in responses there. It is also in the Foreign Affairs Forum.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/newstopics/politics/lawandorder/5901657/Extradition-treaty-sees-only-one-terror-suspect-sent-to-US.html
 

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In an interview I've seen with McKinnon where he claimed that all though he entered the system by unlawful meas it wasn't even password protected. He claimed it was more about what he'd managed to see before being caught, or what they're afraid he might have saw I don't remember exactly.
This is a disgrace. Perhaps they're trying to make an example of him.
 

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Think that is bad try the european arrest warrant.
 

The Caped Cod

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[ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_fNsah-0vpY]YouTube - Project Camelot interviews Gary McKinnon[/ame]
The interviewer is a bit weird and alternative (though that's not necessarily a bad thing) and so asks some odd leading questions so don't mind her.
 

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ireland has a similar agreement with the US, signed by McDowell in 2005. It allows for the extradition of Irish residents when no evidence is presented and where the 'act' is not a crime under Irish law.

It effectively means that US law now trumps Irish law as an Irish person living here can be packed off to jail in the states if he breaks US law, even if he has committed no crime under Irish law.

The US is currently trying to extradite a Sligo man who sold aircraft parts to a company in Iran. The 'act' was carried out on Irish soil. This is not a crime in Ireland, but he faces 30 years in a US jail. In reality, US law is the highest law in Ireland.
 

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Yep extradition treaties between the US and Ireland and the US and Britain are very one-sided affairs, with protections for US-based fugitives absent for their opposites here. Our government have assented, essentially, to be their b1tch. And the Yanks wonder why everyone hates them...
Yes, I agree this treaty does nothing for IRISH US relations, its a throwback to Bushs war on terror.Kneejerk,case will follow case and each one will increase the damage to relations.Its the pro american lobby here and UK who should be trying to scrap these treaties.
 

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Yes, I agree this treaty does nothing for IRISH US relations, its a throwback to Bushs war on terror.Kneejerk,case will follow case and each one will increase the damage to relations.Its the pro american lobby here and UK who should be trying to scrap these treaties.
Also part of that issue was the introduction of emergency TDR by Mary O Rourke TD, must we all live in Bush era psychosis ?
Ireland has one of the longest TDR retention periods in the EU thanks to the offices of Ms O Rourke and subsequently Mc Dowell.


Guardian Update : http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2009/jul/31/gary-mckinnon-loses-extradition-appeal
 

corelli

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ireland has a similar agreement with the US, signed by McDowell in 2005. It allows for the extradition of Irish residents when no evidence is presented and where the 'act' is not a crime under Irish law.

It effectively means that US law now trumps Irish law as an Irish person living here can be packed off to jail in the states if he breaks US law, even if he has committed no crime under Irish law.

The US is currently trying to extradite a Sligo man who sold aircraft parts to a company in Iran. The 'act' was carried out on Irish soil. This is not a crime in Ireland, but he faces 30 years in a US jail. In reality, US law is the highest law in Ireland.
No it does not. The Irish-US bilat is subject to oversight by the High Court. Whilst no evidence is required, there does have to be a comparative Irish offence.
 
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