How much austerity is needed to meet CO2 targets?

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So basically while we're being told we need to be taxed more to "save" the planet, the population outside Ireland and Europe is likely to dwarf our population and unless we find a way for people to be carbon neutral by 2050 this means game over.
Even if we went carbon neutral in the morning, India and China don't have to start on that until 2030.

Africa doesn't have to start reducing its population, ever.

So I don't see why we have to pay extra taxes that will not address these basic problems. Unless it's ok that millions of africans will die younger - in which case will someone stand up and own this as a sad but inevitable scenario. And a lot more predictable than many of the climate change horror scenarios.

I wouldn't mind paying carbon taxes if someone will say - "we are employing 10,000 next year to insulate and solar panel 50,000 homes a year until every home is sorted". Nobody is saying this or suggesting a target.
 


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Even if we went carbon neutral in the morning, India and China don't have to start on that until 2030.

Africa doesn't have to start reducing its population, ever.

So I don't see why we have to pay extra taxes that will not address these basic problems. Unless it's ok that millions of africans will die younger - in which case will someone stand up and own this as a sad but inevitable scenario. And a lot more predictable than many of the climate change horror scenarios.

I wouldn't mind paying carbon taxes if someone will say - "we are employing 10,000 next year to insulate and solar panel 50,000 homes a year until every home is sorted". Nobody is saying this or suggesting a target.
You'd be forgiven for thinking it was just another way to raise tax.

Every year the government used to raise the duty on a pint of beer - claiming the objective was to reduce consumption, but in reality just looking for the extra money....climate change feels a lot like this....even if all of Europe - 743m people - reduce our carbon footprint by 50% in 10 years it won't keep pace with the growth in population in other countries even where the average carbon footprint per capita is 10% of our current level.
 

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the world has gone daft when the political doors open to a 16 year old girl with a mental disability. is it silly season already?
 

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the world has gone daft when the political doors open to a 16 year old girl with a mental disability. is it silly season already?
Virtue signaling is the new leadership - everyone knows what she's talking about, but all of a sudden it's about the fact "leaders" are listening to this girl - how cool, and people are ignoring the fact that there's little or now action being taken.
 

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Short term focus on austerity is misplaced.

It should be longer term focus on quality of life.

Unfortunately Ireland has built in chronic inefficiencies due to awful spatial planning. Under investment in decent public transport (that is exacerbated by the poor planning). Energy ratings of houses are generally awful. A lot of savings are there to be made .
It's not simply low hanging fruit. This is fruit lying on the ground.
 

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Not a given by any means.

In 1985 the population of Ethiopia was 41m - and the country couldn't sustain that population. Live Aid happened in 1985 and since then there's been a steady stream of foreign "charity" into the country. Now the population is over 100m - in a country that cannot sustain 41m without foreign help.

We can't afford to wait until all countries are wealthy because we're talking about the population doubling again in 40 years, not 400.
I don't see 'Live Aid' as anything more than a token effort to reduce poverty.

As a counter example consider China. Economic real-world activity and the burning of vast amounts of fossil fuels has lifted millions upon millions out of abject poverty who now drive to mega-supermarkets in their shiny new cars. But is it enough to create a society-wide shift in attitudes to matters of population and environmental awareness? There are still many poor couples in China content to have child after child after child. But I suspect the wealthier regions have the lowest birth rates.

Population control means EMBRACING the idea of economic growth in the developing world and with it the implication of a multi-polar world.

You can see the problem from the point of view of the Western 'globalist'.
 

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Massive reduction in air travel...bye, bye Ryanair and Aer Lingus...and maybe Dublin airport :(

 

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Back to sailing ships?... avaaast me hearties.

Meanwhile everyone in america, china, russia, india, africa and arabia will be flying round same as ever.

Our baseline to survive is a few sheep and an acre of oats. We should get a vote on this. If people want to live that way, go ahead and show us what fun it is. If not then shut the FU.
 

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I have heard it say that when our lovely Freneies in the EU were setting the Carbon levels that every country laughed their original proposal for that country out of courts, The Paddies accepted their level from their betters straight away!
 

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Essentially most of the fanny boyz for global warming are in general imbeciles that were told by their nearest and dearest stay as far away as possible from the family business!
 

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ER are winding down their protest? Why are they winding it down when they haven't achieved anything?

Surely if they're to save the planet they should keep going till the government agrees to implement their program?

The establishment allowed this to run because it suits their agenda of taxing the sh1t out of the working poor, yet again.

If it was any threat to them they would have had the riot squads and the water cannon out on the roads a week ago.

 

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Well you have the european elections coming up.
You can vote for the status quo and hope that God will intervenes and reverses global warming (the Healy-Rae approach).
OR
You could vote for a Green Party candidate and hope they get enough votes to either get elected or trigger a reaction in the other parties who will adopt their policies in order to steal their votes.

That's how politics works.
 
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Even if we went carbon neutral in the morning, India and China don't have to start on that until 2030.
If we stop buying throwaway tat from India and China then their pollution levels will drop dramatically.


I wouldn't mind paying carbon taxes if someone will say - "we are employing 10,000 next year to insulate and solar panel 50,000 homes a year until every home is sorted". Nobody is saying this or suggesting a target.
The Greens are, and have been for years.

Whenever they were in Government they started the process and about 150,000 homes have been upgraded already under schemes that Ryan brought in.

Although the number was only 200 last year according to someone who was at that there conference in Tullamore today.

Lots of boys in the midlands going to be losing their jobs on the bogs in the very near future, so somebody needs to start training them in how to upgrade the energy efficiency of the domestic building sector.
 


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