How Much of What You Donate Actually Goes to Charity?

Socratus O' Pericles

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This is a very contentious issue in my experience.

It is acknowledged that, worldwide, charity is a very big business and some CEO's , board members and fundraisers are paid handsome salaries.

The CRC pension scandal and the antics of Ahern's mate Kiely were well ventilated but the perp. paid back nothing and set back the work of a most beneficial charity considerably. Rehab much the same.

https://www.irishtimes.com/news/ireland/irish-news/central-remedial-clinic-will-not-pursue-ex-chief-over-741-000-severance-package-1.2714126

https://www.irishtimes.com/news/ireland/irish-news/donations-to-rehab-fell-by-2-million-in-wake-of-pay-scandal-1.2452979


So how much of the funds collected go to the end users?

Ireland is extremely, extremely poorly regulated for in this area.

So here are some thoughts from Canada, which seems to have better system:

There are so many great and inspiring organizations worthy of attention, so this year we’re expanding our ranking to include all organizations that raise a minimum of $1 million a year to our report. Even at this modest sum only a little over 400 organizations meet the threshold. In fact, four out of every five charities in Canada collect less than $500,000 in revenue each year and 86% of those organizations have less than five staff. (We graded the largest 100 organizations, but you can find a full searchable list that includes approximately 300 additional charities online.)
2017 Charity 100: Bonus Charity Grades


Canada's top-rated charities 2017 - MoneySense



Is funding highly qualified and professional executives or well known figures ( for the publicity), on big salaries/retainers justified in light of the level of donations they can attract?

Many entities fail because they are poorly run e.g. https://www.ft.com/content/e9db9d06-c6b6-11e5-808f-8231cd71622e

Good administration is a key component in the success of any entity.
 
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Charity begins at home- Stay local stay with those that you know will not take your money for themselves-
 

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Charities in Ireland exist, largely, to do what the state should be doing anyway, so to a large extent are:

1- a form of double taxation on people with a conscience and
2 - a waste of that money as it has to support multiple administrations, CEOs, etc.

That's not an accident, it's by design - the ease with which the politically connected drift into and out of the senior and lucrative roles to "lobby" is astounding.
 

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Charities in Ireland exist, largely, to do what the state should be doing anyway, so to a large extent are:

1- a form of double taxation on people with a conscience and
2 - a waste of that money as it has to support multiple administrations, CEOs, etc.

That's not an accident, it's by design - the ease with which the politically connected drift into and out of the senior and lucrative roles to "lobby" is astounding.
This.

I'd just add one thing. It's not up to the donors to justify their donation.

Rather it is up to each charity to justify how all income received gets spent.
 

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This is a very contentious issue in my experience.

It is acknowledged that, worldwide, charity is a very big business and some CEO's , board members and fundraisers are paid handsome salaries.

The CRC pension scandal and the antics of Ahern's mate Kiely were well ventilated but the perp. paid back nothing and set back the work of a most beneficial charity considerably. Rehab much the same.

https://www.irishtimes.com/news/ireland/irish-news/central-remedial-clinic-will-not-pursue-ex-chief-over-741-000-severance-package-1.2714126

https://www.irishtimes.com/news/ireland/irish-news/donations-to-rehab-fell-by-2-million-in-wake-of-pay-scandal-1.2452979


So how much of the funds collected go to the end users?

Ireland is extremly, extremly poorly regulated for in this area.

So here are some thought's fropm Canada, which seems to have better system:



2017 Charity 100: Bonus Charity Grades


Canada's top-rated charities 2017 - MoneySense



Is funding highly qualified and professional executives or well known figures ( for the publicity), on big salaries/retainers., justified in light of the level of donations they can attract?

Many entities fail because they are poorly run e.g. https://www.ft.com/content/e9db9d06-c6b6-11e5-808f-8231cd71622e

Good administration is a key component in the success of any entity.
9 out of 10 Irish 'Charities' earn less than 30k making them the preserve of veritable scumbags from Foxrock and Killiney..ish on the make for a birthday party in The Graduate and a holiday in Thailand of a lifetime.
 

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This is a very contentious issue in my experience.

It is acknowledged that, worldwide, charity is a very big business and some CEO's , board members and fundraisers are paid handsome salaries.
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Oh Soc. :lol:

It all "goes to charity". Every reddish cent.

It's what it costs to spend money on the cause that gets up our noses.

One of the biggest takers is the state, as charities can't be VAT registered, and add the Paye etc. on the salaries, the tax on fuel; it's a miracle if the money to feed 1,000 african babies feeds one.
 

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This is a question that comes up regularly and the only way that you can be sure that your money is going where you want it to go is to give it to an independent charity where everyone involved is a volunteer. There are individuals and groups in every town, village and county of Ireland who are desperately trying to raise money for good causes. They don't get any State help and they have all the day to day stuff we all have to deal with on top of that. Support the community you live in and the causes you know are going to do good. Don't bother with glossy advertising and heart tugging TV appeals.
 

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9 out of 10 Irish 'Charities' earn less than 30k making them the preserve of veritable scumbags from Foxrock on the make for a birthday party in The Graduate and a holiday in Thailand of a lifetime.
That's absolute nonsense. I've been very involved with several charities where everyone involved volunteers and nobody gets a cent from it for personal gain. Please don't make those kind of sweeping statements, it's the small genuine charities that do the most good who struggle the most to raise funds because of that kind of statement. By all means say that about OXFAM and the main global charities but your local Irish charity isn't making personal profit from a bag pack or church gate collection or charity shop.
 

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Charities in Ireland exist, largely, to do what the state should be doing anyway, so to a large extent are:

1- a form of double taxation on people with a conscience and
2 - a waste of that money as it has to support multiple administrations, CEOs, etc.

That's not an accident, it's by design - the ease with which the politically connected drift into and out of the senior and lucrative roles to "lobby" is astounding.
Like this one, the quango queen? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mary_Davis_(activist)

https://www.independent.ie/opinion/editorial/davis-the-quango-queen-26777503.html



Davis, the quango queen

October 1 2011 9:29 AM




As we report in today's paper, presidential candidate Mary Davis was paid almost €190,000 for serving on three state boards between 2004 and 2009.


During this period, Ms Davis variously served on the boards of the Dublin Airport Authority, Campus Stadium Ireland, AKA the 'Bertie Bowl', and the Broadcasting Commission of Ireland.

For a candidate who claims to be independent of any party, her ability to pick up such choice political appointments is truly remarkable.

This money was in addition to the €156,000 salary that she received as chief executive of Special Olympics Europe/ Eurasia.

Ms Davis has stepped aside from this job for the duration of her presidential election campaign.

Throughout her campaign, Ms Davis has stressed her lack of political affiliations. She has also emphasised her "outsider" status, not least with the utterly daft proposal to rename Aras an Uachtarain Aras na nDaoine.

While she may not be a member of any political party, her appointment to a raft of state boards indicates that, far from being an outsider, Ms Davis is a formidable networker and consummate insider.
 

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... you can be sure that your money is going where you want it to go is to give it to an independent charity where everyone involved is a volunteer. ...
such as?


Don't normal business axioms apply to charities, for example, scale up to increase efficiency.
 

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Those with a CRA number have signed up to the Charity Regulator's Code of Conduct on governance and transparency.

Annual accounts are usually published and those with nothing to hide tend to post them on their website for all to see.

Fundraising is not an area that tends to be an issue for most of the larger charities anyway as it is usually kept as a separate source of revenue from operational costs.

However, where there are and should be real questions asked is concerning the excessive use of those on activation schemes and volunteers to fill roles in large charities where senior staff are paid salaries comparable to PS/HSE pay scales.

Also, many of those directly employed by charities in non senior management roles are paid quite poorly, despite these organisations often receiving substantial grants and funding. This needs a greater level of scrutiny by the Regulator.
 

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How much was hr salary again and how much of a bonus did a board whom she largely appointed pay her?
 

Socratus O' Pericles

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Well where I came in on this was over on the Wickla Swimmers thread, where a poster was claiming that 95% of all the funds raised for https://aoibheannspinktie.ie/ would be spent on admin and that the children suffering from cancer together with their families would get 5%.


More than €153,000 (£135,000) has been raised to date from the event, but Featherstone is hopeful they will reach €250,000 within the next fortnight.

https://www.independent.co.uk/life-style/skinny-dipping-world-record-guinness-irish-sea-aoibheanns-pink-tie-a8391866.html

According to yon poster end users, i.e children with cancer, will get 12,500, I actually do not find that in any way credible.
 

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All our old clothing and bedding goes straight to the Simon Community.
 

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such as?


Don't normal business axioms apply to charities, for example, scale up to increase efficiency.
You know exactly what I'm talking about. It's a damned site harder to deal with volunteers than it is to deal with paid staff. People should support causes that benefit their community and their county not giving it to some well known NGO. Your local charity shop, not OXFAM or the well known NGO'S isn't doing anything nefarious with the money, they don't have some dodgy scheme going on they're just ordinary people trying to do some good and they can do with all the help they can get. People can do more than give money, give your time or donate good quality things that you don't need anymore.
 

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Lagertha: I've been very involved with several charities where everyone involved volunteers and nobody gets a cent from it for personal gain.
Can you name some of them please? As, I for one, would appreciate knowing them.
 

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Leprechaun manure

This is a very contentious issue in my experience.

It is acknowledged that, worldwide, charity is a very big business and some CEO's , board members and fundraisers are paid handsome salaries.

The CRC pension scandal and the antics of Ahern's mate Kiely were well ventilated but the perp. paid back nothing and set back the work of a most beneficial charity considerably. Rehab much the same.

https://www.irishtimes.com/news/ireland/irish-news/central-remedial-clinic-will-not-pursue-ex-chief-over-741-000-severance-package-1.2714126

https://www.irishtimes.com/news/ireland/irish-news/donations-to-rehab-fell-by-2-million-in-wake-of-pay-scandal-1.2452979


So how much of the funds collected go to the end users?

Ireland is extremely, extremely poorly regulated for in this area.

So here are some thoughts from Canada, which seems to have better system:



2017 Charity 100: Bonus Charity Grades


Canada's top-rated charities 2017 - MoneySense



Is funding highly qualified and professional executives or well known figures ( for the publicity), on big salaries/retainers justified in light of the level of donations they can attract?

Many entities fail because they are poorly run e.g. https://www.ft.com/content/e9db9d06-c6b6-11e5-808f-8231cd71622e

Good administration is a key component in the success of any entity.

D'usual pure Irish claptrap. It's easy to find out how much of donated money goes to charity as each charity must publish an annual return. All charity CEOs are well overpaid and not worth the money. But your statement that "Ireland is extremely, extremely poorly regulated for in this area." is just plain old leprechaun manure which has no basis in fact.

For example Concern's annual report can be downloaded here.
https://www.concern.net/insights/annual-report-2016
 

Socratus O' Pericles

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D'usual pure Irish claptrap. It's easy to find out how much of donated money goes to charity as each charity must publish an annual return. All charity CEOs are well overpaid and not worth the money. But your statement that "Ireland is extremely, extremely poorly regulated for in this area." is just plain old leprechaun manure which has no basis in fact.

For example Concern's annual report can be downloaded here.
https://www.concern.net/insights/annual-report-2016
That wasn't the question as has been pointed out upthread.


Where are the accounts here?


https://aoibheannspinktie.ie/events/
 

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That wasn't the question as has been pointed out upthread.
I wasn't replying to your question. I was pointing out that the claims which you posed in your questions are false"!

"Ireland is extremely, extremely poorly regulated for in this area." is just plain old leprechaun manure which has no basis in fact.
 

Socratus O' Pericles

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I wasn't replying to your question. I was pointing out that the claims which you posed in your questions are false"!
So all the charity scandals which broke here are evidence of good regulation?
 


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