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How POLITICS.IE brought down Willie O'Dea.


Congalltee

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Below is a very rough timeline of the Willie O’Dea affidavit story as it appeared on politics.ie. Largely ignored by the national media (the Mail excepted), the story was raised, bumped, updated and persisted by a number of posters on politics.ie.

It was very much a collaborative effort, involving posters who clearly had differing backgrounds, locations and motives (for anyone who has read the Wisdom of Crowds it had all the best aspects to be a successful campaign).

D’tinternet, and this site in particular, can make a difference in shaping political events, but one of the key lessons I realised from this story and others is was how many politicians read informative anonymous emails but do not respond to them (which is probably good policy).

There are also a number of commentators, journos and politicians who read this site regularly, even if they (sensibly) keep their identity hidden (perhaps many do not join – a good reason of itself to allow open access).

Please highlight any other contributions to this story on the website, or any post and posters left out which shaped this story.



1. 10 March, 2009
The story is broken on p.ie by Islands.
http://www.politics.ie/current-affairs/52077-willie-odea-might-sued-sinn-fein-councillor.html
This thread had 101 replies and 7049 views.

2. 10 April, 2009
Story is bumped by Draiocht23 as it is announced Quinlivan is to sue.
http://www.politics.ie/current-affairs/52077-willie-odea-might-sued-sinn-fein-councillor-3.html#post1557620


3. 1st November 2009
Keithm bumps thread as Mail “breaks” the story that O’Dea mislead the High Court.

http://www.politics.ie/current-affairs/52077-willie-odea-might-sued-sinn-fein-councillor-6.html#post2244158

4. 1st November, 2009
A poster by the name of Willie watch posts his 4th post (he/she above all has been tenacious)

http://www.politics.ie/current-affairs/117451-willie-odea-caught-lying-high-court.html
This thread had 252 replies and 13803 views.

5. 6th December, 2009
Bumped by me asking for any update.
http://www.politics.ie/current-affairs/117451-willie-odea-caught-lying-high-court-6.html#post2324648

6. 21st December, 2009
Gabha Oir bumps thread with report that O’Dea’s lawyers have been in Court to settle case.
http://www.politics.ie/current-affairs/117451-willie-odea-caught-lying-high-court-7.html#post2353952

(This is the first day politician become involved as Sen Eugene Regan issue hard hitting press release, but topic is ignored by media Taoiseach must get explanation from O?Dea on issue of perjury - Regan | Eugene Regan ).

7. 28th December, 2009
Willie Watch post scanned image of Mail (annoyingly it is not available online)
http://www.politics.ie/current-affairs/117451-willie-odea-caught-lying-high-court-15.html#post2361868

(Thread trundles along – the lack of enthusiasm/sceptism of certain anti-FF posters is interesting).

8. 7th January, 2010
New thread started as other one has become too long and cumbersome (although I admit I did take best of other thread). No sensible person is going to read 252 posts).

http://www.politics.ie/justice/121794-perjury-willie-odea-case-against-him-should-complaint-made-test.html
This thread had 164 replies and 5468 views.


9. 2nd February, 2010
Eugene Regan raises issue in Order of business on Seanad floor, note similarity of references (did he look on site or was he emailed).
http://www.politics.ie/current-affairs/117451-willie-odea-caught-lying-high-court-24.html#post2430030

10. 7th February, 2010.
Picked up by non-Mail Nation media as Justine McCarthy publishes it strong op. Ed.
http://www.politics.ie/current-affairs/117451-willie-odea-caught-lying-high-court-25.html#post2437110.

New Thread
http://www.politics.ie/justice/123480-perjury-politicians-devaluation-truth.html
62 posts, 2180 views



11. 12th February, 2010
Kerry North notes that Eugene Regan raises it for the second time in the Seanad, the day after the crucial FG parliamentary party meeting after George Lee’s resignation, and it is believed that a number of TDs were contacted about the Willie O’Dea situation.
http://www.politics.ie/justice/121794-perjury-willie-odea-case-against-him-should-complaint-made-test-14.html#post2447310



13th February 2010.
Kerry North posts on Sunday Times going with story two weeks in a row.

http://www.politics.ie/fianna-fail/123846-o-dea-dail-battle-over-lie-sunday-times.html

This was the biggie, 1014 posts, 30,784 views.

12. 14th February 2010
Michael Clifford raises story in the Tribune.
Michael Clifford - "Roy Behan gave false evidence to preserve his life. Willie O'Dea's false evidence was for a few grubby votes for his acolytes...."

13. 16th February 2010
Another thread asking for specifics. Posters copy and paste to politicians.
http://www.politics.ie/justice/123977-willie-odea-case-10-specific-questions.html
10 replies and 663 views.

14. Threads become numerous until this:
http://www.politics.ie/current-affairs/124124-willie-odea-has-resigned-minister-defence.html

and then to add insult to injury

15. http://www.politics.ie/justice/124110-gary-fitzgerald-bl-files-criminal-complaint-against-odea-gardai.html?highlight=willie+O'Dea

The story is not over yet, as a garda investigation into perjury has begun. This has already being commented on by the Garda Commissioner (and if no action is taken an application to the Garda Ombudsman is possible).

So the last question is: who’s next?
 

Tomas Mor

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well done politics.ie. It has made you and put you on the map (collectively). You are not to be trifled with.
 

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Most of what you're linked to are posters talking about what journalists or the courts have researched/written/said. In what way did the board affect the story? At all? It seems like you'd take credit for being in the away crowd when Ireland win in the football as well...
 

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Most of what you're linked to are posters talking about what journalists or the courts have researched/written/said. In what way did the board affect the story? At all? It seems like you'd take credit for being in the away crowd when Ireland win in the football as well...
Posters on p.ie broke stroy in March, 2009 and it was much discussed before the Mail, "broke" the strory on the 1st November, 2009 or when the Times first reported on it (late Jan/early feb 2010 - in its Seanad report!!!!).

Try reading the links.
 

Iarmhi Gael

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Most of what you're linked to are posters talking about what journalists or the courts have researched/written/said. In what way did the board affect the story? At all? It seems like you'd take credit for being in the away crowd when Ireland win in the football as well...
Very good.........

And some of the posters who pushed that story on this site no longer post here. Bit like Charlie Haughey taking the Credit for Stephen Roche...
 

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Posters on p.ie broke stroy in March, 2009 and it was much discussed before the Mail, "broke" the strory on the 1st November, 2009 or when the Times first reported on it (late Jan/early feb 2010 - in its Seanad report!!!!).

Try reading the links.
Posters didn't "break" the story. They posted a link to the Limerick Leader article that broke the story. Look it's right there. In your very first link. You're doing an immense disservice to the work the Limerick Leader journalists have done on this. I don't know who Islands is, I'm sure he's wonderful, but unless he's secretly Mike Dwayne, he didn't break a single thing.

I posted a thread from the Economist about Lady Ashton a couple of days ago. Did I break that story too? You're one of those people that memorises movie lines then tries to pass them off as your own aren't you?
 
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A rather senior person who posts on P.ie contacted me to let me know that it was widely regarded in political circles (on either side of the floor of the Dáil) that it was the level of attention and interest in this story by the users of Politics.ie that ultimately resulted in Willie O'Dea going.

I can't take the credit (and bloody won't, I keep seeing Willie O'Dea walking around town!) - but the excellent work of the members of this site is wot dunnit.

With regards one particular member, unfortunately, he's not here anymore, but he's elsewhere as deluded and mad as ever - as I said before, when he was good he was GREAT, but there was too much convulsive personal attacks, smears and lies that caused more problems than anything the great stuff he did would forgive. It's a shame, but he continues to tell the most stunning of lies elsewhere.
 

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O'Dea made the rod. P.ie users just pointed to its existence and its characteristics at times when others might have forgotten.
 
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A rather senior person who posts on P.ie contacted me to let me know that it was widely regarded in political circles (on either side of the floor of the Dáil) that it was the level of attention and interest in this story by the users of Politics.ie that ultimately resulted in Willie O'Dea going.

I can't take the credit (and bloody won't, I keep seeing Willie O'Dea walking around town!) - but the excellent work of the members of this site is wot dunnit.

With regards one particular member, unfortunately, he's not here anymore, but he's elsewhere as deluded and mad as ever - as I said before, when he was good he was GREAT, but there was too much convulsive personal attacks, smears and lies that caused more problems than anything the great stuff he did would forgive. It's a shame, but he continues to tell the most stunning of lies elsewhere.
Take a shovel as some would say about this poster ;)
 

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I sincerely hope that unlike politicians you will also take any blames and criticisms when things backfire. ;)

Dave, senior politicians and even junior ones will say what they think you want to hear. That's how it works. I do not really believe than any of that gang pay a blind bit of difference to what they tread in the press of in political internet forums.

Willy got out because he was caught out. Idem for the minister for cabbages and carrots. The political scene is entering iceberg waters and it's every man for himself. Brave Willy and courageous Trevor will get themselves voted back in. They are cute hoors. Ned and McGuinness will as well.
 

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Posters didn't "break" the story. They posted a link to the Limerick Leader article that broke the story. Look it's right there. In your very first link. You're doing an immense disservice to the work the Limerick Leader journalists have done on this. I don't know who Islands is, I'm sure he's wonderful, but unless he's secretly Mike Dwayne, he didn't break a single thing.
You were never enthusiastic about this story, were you?
http://www.politics.ie/current-affairs/117451-willie-odea-caught-lying-high-court-22.html#post2389808

The Limerick Leader had the tape in or around 24th July (according to Willie O'Dea's News at One interview) - yet they did not publish the affidavit story as a story (but ran with Willie's comments - minus the defamtory stuff).

This is a media outlet, and the thousands of posts and over 100,000 views, demonstrate the reach of the site. While you and other posters were cautioning against this as a story, many other posters teased the issues out, highighted them and bumped the threads from time to time.

The Times and Indo, printed the correction on the 22nd December, 2009 - they did not see fit to pursue it again for a nearly two months. The more democratic nature of the site, meant that bas news could not be buried 3 days before Christmas.

I'll simply say, thankfully there are more posters such as those I highlighted and fewer of the nay-sayers.
 

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For what it is worth, Politics.ie was:

1.The first place to publish scans of Willie O'Dea's High Court Affidavit. This was after Brian Cowen had claimed that Willie had sworn the affidavit in a personal capacity. The P.ie scans showed Cowen's claim to be false.

2.P.IE was also the first place to publish the full transcript of the Willie O'Dea tape interview. This was before it was read into the Dail record by FG and before the Limerick Leader published it in full.
 

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Dave, senior politicians and even junior ones will say what they think you want to hear. That's how it works. I do not really believe than any of that gang pay a blind bit of difference to what they tread in the press of in political internet forums.
.

Bit like your wife asking "Do I look fat in this?"

I know Fianna Fail are very worried about internet forums at present been used as a source for leaking news or issues.
 

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I've been trying my hardest (albeit on foot of something writtn in the Mail originally). Wish someone would see it for the dynamite it is...

http://www.politics.ie/current-affairs/51507-noel-dempsey-hypocrite.html

A very good point and worth remembering:
The Building Society Act of 1989 laid down that all loans to building society directors and their families must, for transparency and accountability, be publicly listed in a file submiited to the Central Bank every year. Dempsey changed this in 2002 by adding a paragraph to an unrelated Act, the Housing (miscellaneous) Act 2002 allowing for all loans to famly members to be kept secret as well as all loans secured against a director's home...

As a result of the change two mortgages loaned to Michael 'Fingers' Fingleton's wife and son in 2003 were kept secret, and were only found by the Mail after a trawl. Fingleton's wife received another loan on January 29th this year. There are now apparently several loans made from Nationwide against Fingleton's own home. The provisions of the 2002 law change by Dempsey have been effectively reversed by the Regulator this week.
The smoking gun question is, why did Dempsey make the change?
 

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Politics.ie was:

1.The first place to publish scans of Willie O'Dea's High Court Affidavit
2.The first place to publish the transcript of the Willie O'Dea tape interview.
You are being too modest.

Well done for your pursuit of this story, keeping it alive and allowing others take the ball and run.
 
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