How should Ireland approach an Independent Catalonia?

ruserious

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http://www.politics.ie/forum/foreign-affairs/229772-how-should-ireland-approach-independent-scotland.html

As a sequel to the above thread created around the time of the Scottish Independence Referendum, this thread wishes to explore how Ireland should respond to an independent Catalonia which, if the Catalan leaders keep to their word, will declare Independence on Tuesday next should they succeed in tomorrow's vote.

The general topic of Catalan Independence can be discussed here:
http://www.politics.ie/forum/europe/259306-things-hotting-up-catalunya.html

When the Irish Republic was a fledging State post 1918, we did what we could to seek international recognition and largely failed at that, only securing a tentative recognition from the Russian Soviet in exchange for a loan.
See More: https://www.irelandsown.ie/ireland-and-the-romanov-jewels/

Ireland seceded from the United Kingdom following a unilateral attempt which brought negotiations. The Spanish in this case seem resolute that Spain will not be broken apart. So it appears that the Spanish state will not respect the result which means Catalonia may face a situation whereby it declares independence but fails to secure it, de facto at least.

Does Ireland, a sovereign State, owe it to other small fledging independence movements to offer support and guidance? Or should Ireland (hypocritically?) stay quiet and watch from afar?

How should Ireland approach an Independent Catalonia?
 


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http://www.politics.ie/forum/foreign-affairs/229772-how-should-ireland-approach-independent-scotland.html

As a sequel to the above thread created around the time of the Scottish Independence Referendum, this thread wishes to explore how Ireland should respond to an independent Catalonia which, if the Catalan leaders keep to their word, will declare Independence on Tuesday next should they succeed in tomorrow's vote.

The general topic of Catalan Independence can be discussed here:
http://www.politics.ie/forum/europe/259306-things-hotting-up-catalunya.html

When the Irish Republic was a fledging State post 1918, we did what we could to seek international recognition and largely failed at that, only securing a tentative recognition from the Russian Soviet in exchange for a loan.
See More: https://www.irelandsown.ie/ireland-and-the-romanov-jewels/

Ireland seceded from the United Kingdom following a unilateral attempt which brought negotiations. The Spanish in this case seem resolute that Spain will not be broken apart. So it appears that the Spanish state will not respect the result which means Catalonia may face a situation whereby it declares independence but fails to secure it, de facto at least.

Does Ireland, a sovereign State, owe it to other small fledging independence movements to offer support and guidance? Or should Ireland (hypocritically?) stay quiet and watch from afar?

How should Ireland approach an Independent Catalonia?
Wait to see who wins. Then pledge support to them.
 

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Whatever we do, we should do it discreetly and behind the scenes. There's sweet FA that a nation of 4.5 million can achieve by grandstanding or taking an imagined moral high ground.

The great powers of the world will be irritated by the Catalans as they are by the Kurds. They like to keep things as they are. When the three Baltic states broke free of Soviet domination in the early 1990s, there was annoyance in the power capitals of the world that these lesser nations weren't being patient and biding their time.
 

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Maybe its best to wait until an official declaration of independence is anounced before anyone does anything.
 

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As stated on the other thread if they leave they will be out of the EU so they should talk to the Brits. On second thoughts maybe not ...
 

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We should oppose the partition of Spain, between the industrial/commercial north east and the poorer south. The Catalan "state" should not be readmitted into the EU without significant transfer payments to its neighbour.
 

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We can't afford bad relations with Spain given the issues coming up in the EU like tax harmonisation (which the Irish govt was pressured about yet again this week at EU summit), migration and the Irish border.

I'm sympathetic to Catalan independence. On the other hand Ferdinand of Aragon was not forced to marry Isabella of Castille. But then Isabella didnt ban the Catalan language unlike Franco.
 

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Carefully. It isn't going to be a simple breakaway if it happens.
 

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It would be highly hypocritical for Ireland not to support Catal self determination.
 

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I wouldn’t mind having a go at the Spanish as they aren’t very big normally .

On a more realistic side , I don’t know . Is an Independent Catalonia workable and is there a Majority for independence .

Is there any way we could swap Northern Ireland for Catalonia .
 
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paddycomeback

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Well if form is anything to go by the Blueshirts will send an Irish Brigade to defend the Catholic King against the evils of Republicanism.
 

ruserious

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Why? And why should we not support the majority in Spain?
I would deeply resent if the Spanish supported a People's Republic of Cork.
They did. They landed in Charles Fort, Kinsale.
 

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It's clearly nothing to do with us. None of our business. It's a matter for Spain and the Catalan regional authorities with maybe the EU as well.

Who is behind this Catalan movement and why is it coming to the boil now just as Brexit is happening and other separatist and nationalist causes are being massaged?
 

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We should pressurise the Spanish government to seek a negotiated solution.
It's quite simple really.
Spain should give Catalonia back to the Catalans
Grant independence to the Basques
Give back the rest of Spain to the Caliphate which they disgracefully dispossessed in 1490.
Then there'd be peace.
I think.

But give the Canaries and the Balearics to the rest of us.
 

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