How should SF play the Brexit card?

ruserious

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Sinn Féin have been calling for a border poll for, well, years. But there has been a heightened call of late as recent election results for the Storm(fr)ont Assembly show that Unionism is weakening.

David Davis just yesterday confirmed that NI could simply rejoin the EU if it ever votes for Unity, unlike Scotland for example, who would have to join the membership queue.

So now it is clear that NIs position with the EU goes hand in hand with Irish unity.

This is is a golden opportunity for SF, the SDLP and nationalists at large.

Rather than step up calls for a border poll now, I believe SF should wait. Wait until it becomes clear and becomes felt what a disaster Brexit will be for all people in Northern Ireland. Agriculture and manufacturing in the North could easily be decimated. There may well be a return to violence as a battle for resources heats up.

Once the effects of Brexit are felt in the pocket, that is the time to demand a border vote. As a plethora of polls indicate, personal finances play a large role in political allegiance.

The Southern parties can play their bit for preparing the groundwork for a post Brexit United Ireland within the EU and make the move as seamless as possible and therefore allow a realistic choice to the people of Northern Ireland in a future border poll.

SF should not rush head first into a border poll now. Wait.
 
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Negative economic effects may help, but if there's any return to violence, it will entrench the opinions of the Unionist community and those who have voted Alliance and Green, who may be tempted towards a vote for the EU and a United Ireland, and whose votes would be needed, will not vote for unity.
 

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Golden opportunities and cards aside.

The People of NI and Scotland voted to stay, to work and live within the European community.

Forcing them out without allowing them the opportunity to consider the option to unite with Ireland or establish an independent Scotland is wrong and anti democratic.
 

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Good question.

How should Slabz Frenz react to new 'business' opportunities for Slab ??????.
 

ruserious

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Negative economic effects may help, but if there's any return to violence, it will entrench the opinions of the Unionist community and those who have voted Alliance and Green, who may be tempted towards a vote for the EU and a United Ireland, and whose votes would be needed, will not vote for unity.
The violence could come from many sectors. Aggrieved unionist farmers for example.
 

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whatever will flood the country with asylum seekers from africa....that is how SF will play it.
 

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Golden opportunities and cards aside.

The People of NI and Scotland voted to stay, to work and live within the European community.

Forcing them out without allowing them the opportunity to consider the option to unite with Ireland or establish an independent Scotland is wrong and anti democratic.
But but but Theresa May is delivering what the electorate voted for. Brexit means brexit etc. Wibble wibble WTTR, Lies.UKIP Wagmore etc etc....
 

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Sinn Féin have been calling for a border poll for, well, years. But there has been a heightened call of late as recent election results for the Storm(fr)ont Assembly show that Unionism is weakening.

David Davis just yesterday confirmed that NI could simply rejoin the EU if it ever votes for Independence, unlike Scotland for example, who would have to join the membership queue.

So now it is clear that NIs position with the EU goes hand in hand with Irish unity.

This is is a golden opportunity for SF, the SDLP and nationalists at large.

Rather than step up calls for a border poll now, I believe SF should wait. Wait until it becomes clear and becomes felt what a disaster Brexit will be for all people in Northern Ireland. Agriculture and manufacturing in the North could easily be decimated. There may well be a return to violence as a battle for resources heats up.

Once the effects of Brexit are felt in the pocket, that is the time to demand a border vote. As a plethora of polls indicate, personal finances play a large role in political allegiance.

The Southern parties can play their bit for preparing the groundwork for a post Brexit United Ireland within the EU and make the move as seamless as possible and therefore allow a realistic choice to the people of Northern Ireland in a future border poll.

SF should not rush head first into a border poll now. Wait.
While it thankfully has been reduced and less ''successful' the violence has never stopped...

Timeline of dissident republican activity - BBC News
 

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No doubt in my mind that the decision to bring down the executive was more about Brexit than the heating scheme. Its about throwing a spanner in the works both in the courts (though that seems to have failed so far) and politically.
 

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But but but Theresa May is delivering what the electorate voted for. Brexit means brexit etc. Wibble wibble WTTR, Lies.UKIP Wagmore etc etc....
I read in one of the many hagiographic obituaries that were published recently that Saint Martin of The Bogside was Minister for Education in the Six Counties for a while.

I assume that you are one of the fruits of his labours in the educational sphere?
 

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When will posters realise that the UK joined the EU and the UK is leaving the EU, only the terms of its leaving and its future relationship with the EU remain to be decided.
 

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Re SF and the Border Poll calls - SF are always happy to call for things that they know are unlikely to happen .... but it would likely be a different story if the answer came back OK, have the poll ....

Like the Saville Inquiry - anybody remember Martin McGuinness saying he was anxious to give evidence .... but when push came to shove it took years to drag him, kicking and squealing, into the witness box ;)
 

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God be with the days when An Phoblacht and The Daily Telegraph could do a single transferable editorial on the EU/EEC/Common Market.
 

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I believe 'Never waste a good crisis' is policy SF will be following.
 

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Sinn Féin have been calling for a border poll for, well, years. But there has been a heightened call of late as recent election results for the Storm(fr)ont Assembly show that Unionism is weakening.

David Davis just yesterday confirmed that NI could simply rejoin the EU if it ever votes for Independence, unlike Scotland for example, who would have to join the membership queue.

So now it is clear that NIs position with the EU goes hand in hand with Irish unity.

This is is a golden opportunity for SF, the SDLP and nationalists at large.

Rather than step up calls for a border poll now, I believe SF should wait. Wait until it becomes clear and becomes felt what a disaster Brexit will be for all people in Northern Ireland. Agriculture and manufacturing in the North could easily be decimated. There may well be a return to violence as a battle for resources heats up.

Once the effects of Brexit are felt in the pocket, that is the time to demand a border vote. As a plethora of polls indicate, personal finances play a large role in political allegiance.

The Southern parties can play their bit for preparing the groundwork for a post Brexit United Ireland within the EU and make the move as seamless as possible and therefore allow a realistic choice to the people of Northern Ireland in a future border poll.

SF should not rush head first into a border poll now. Wait.
Already being discussed all over the forum. FWIW, my view is that SF have no card to play here, and that they and the DUP need to get back to the Assembly ASAP and stop playing silly buggers at this time of severe crisis due to Brexit. The Irish government need to focus on getting the least-bad deal available from a selfish Irish perspective, with some focus on preserving the GFA in all its faded glory, but mainly aiming at minimising the damage to cross-border trade.

Then, in 2019 or 2020 when the UK are stewing in a pot of their own devising, it might, just might, be time to consider a border poll.
 
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The Tory government will collapse the NHS in the coming years. There will be no benefit in terms of social services in continued UK membership only an ethno-religious one(for a dwindling number of people) and given that the Republic plainly already accommodates the cultural expression of many cultures, Chinese New Year, Bastille Day etc. what's another 'culture'? if you can call burning flags and pictures of Mary MacAleese 'culture'. When these pennies drop we can probably start talking terms and how it might work day to day.
 

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Golden opportunities and cards aside.

The People of NI and Scotland voted to stay, to work and live within the European community.

Forcing them out without allowing them the opportunity to consider the option to unite with Ireland or establish an independent Scotland is wrong and anti democratic.
The voters of Scotland and the North were not asked if they wanted to stay within the EU as independent countries. If they had been asked that question I believe NI vote would certainly have been less in favour Brexit.
 

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Sinn Féin have been calling for a border poll for, well, years. But there has been a heightened call of late as recent election results for the Storm(fr)ont Assembly show that Unionism is weakening.

David Davis just yesterday confirmed that NI could simply rejoin the EU if it ever votes for Independence, unlike Scotland for example, who would have to join the membership queue.

So now it is clear that NIs position with the EU goes hand in hand with Irish unity.

This is is a golden opportunity for SF, the SDLP and nationalists at large.

Rather than step up calls for a border poll now, I believe SF should wait. Wait until it becomes clear and becomes felt what a disaster Brexit will be for all people in Northern Ireland. Agriculture and manufacturing in the North could easily be decimated. There may well be a return to violence as a battle for resources heats up.

Once the effects of Brexit are felt in the pocket, that is the time to demand a border vote. As a plethora of polls indicate, personal finances play a large role in political allegiance.

The Southern parties can play their bit for preparing the groundwork for a post Brexit United Ireland within the EU and make the move as seamless as possible and therefore allow a realistic choice to the people of Northern Ireland in a future border poll.

SF should not rush head first into a border poll now. Wait.
Are you forgetting one minor detail. For a United Ireland to be achieved there has to be majority electoral support on both sides of the border. I would not take the Southern support for granted, particularly with all the uncertainty about Brexit. Any referendum in the South will be more influenced by economic rather than emotional/historic/cultural issues and taking on the NI basket case "economy" plus all the historical cultural/religious baggage and security costs involved would place enormous strain on the South.
 

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Are you forgetting one minor detail. For a United Ireland to be achieved there has to be majority electoral support on both sides of the border. I would not take the Southern support for granted, particularly with all the uncertainty about Brexit. Any referendum in the South will be more influenced by economic rather than emotional/historic/cultural issues and taking on the NI basket case "economy" plus all the historical cultural/religious baggage and security costs involved would place enormous strain on the South.
Can the RoI pay for
- an outrageously oversized welfar state
- debt writedowns for media oligarchs that influence public opinion
- the two 'pillar' banks and associated disasters
- an absurd welfare policy
- the HSE
- a chronic drug addiction problem
- useless political leadership

AND

A welfare state parasite that is unsustainable that goes into a meltdown over stuff of entirely SYMBOLIC importance like contentious marching routes, which describes Norn Iron......
 

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Sinn Féin have been calling for a border poll for, well, years. But there has been a heightened call of late as recent election results for the Storm(fr)ont Assembly show that Unionism is weakening.

David Davis just yesterday confirmed that NI could simply rejoin the EU if it ever votes for Independence, unlike Scotland for example, who would have to join the membership queue.

So now it is clear that NIs position with the EU goes hand in hand with Irish unity.

This is is a golden opportunity for SF, the SDLP and nationalists at large.

Rather than step up calls for a border poll now, I believe SF should wait. Wait until it becomes clear and becomes felt what a disaster Brexit will be for all people in Northern Ireland. Agriculture and manufacturing in the North could easily be decimated. There may well be a return to violence as a battle for resources heats up.

Once the effects of Brexit are felt in the pocket, that is the time to demand a border vote. As a plethora of polls indicate, personal finances play a large role in political allegiance.

The Southern parties can play their bit for preparing the groundwork for a post Brexit United Ireland within the EU and make the move as seamless as possible and therefore allow a realistic choice to the people of Northern Ireland in a future border poll.

SF should not rush head first into a border poll now. Wait.


SF/IRA still have major outstanding issue relating to "parity of esteem" , according to themselves. They seem to believe that they are soon going to be the majority political party in the North. In other words they have unfinished business there. I believe that SF/IRA should work to achieve their aims before they push for a border poll. Furthermore, I think it would help their case if they were to make it a policy issue that they would not call for a poll for, say, another 7 years. This would help settle Unionist nerves and give space to SF/IRA to work on its parity of esteem issues. Hopefully by then the South will have stabilised in a post Brexit world and both sides of the island might be more accepting of each other.
 


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