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How the Government prevents employment. Taxing people out of work!


kerdasi amaq

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http://www.rense.com/Why%20I%20Am%20Not%20Hiring.pdf

In the above article, Sally may have a nominal wage of $59,000 dollars a year, but the real annual wage is clearly $74,000 dollars(the total cost to the employer of hiring her).

In China and other third world countries these costs do not apply, so creating a competitive advantage for employers there.

So what's happening, as I see it, is that by putting factories in the third world, the MNC's are pocketing the difference between wages in the third world and the first world.

Bottom line: Governments impose a 33% surtax on Sally's job each year.
In other words, the government is taxing people out of employment.
 


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http://www.rense.com/Why%20I%20Am%20Not%20Hiring.pdf

In the above article, Sally may have a nominal wage of $59,000 dollars a year, but the real annual wage is clearly $74,000 dollars(the total cost to the employer of hiring her).

In China and other third world countries these costs do not apply, so creating a competitive advantage for employers there.

So what's happening, as I see it, is that by putting factories in the third world, the MNC's are pocketing the difference between wages in the third world and the first world.



In other words, the government is taxing people out of employment.
Yep. Its not only about headline gross wages. Irelands employment tax I.e. employers PRSI is actually quite low by comparison to other countries. This is one of the reasons why the headlines "Ireland a high wage jurisdiction" is a red herring and very misleading. The cost of employment in Ireland is actually quite low compared to other European countries.
 

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We're going to need a proper mature discussion as a people on what type of Ireland we want after the disaster heaped upon us by the 'low tax' 'free marketeers', who have done more damage to our country than any of their dreaded 'high tax' 'socialist' foes could ever have done.

Personally, I would be in favour of something along the lines of the French model, where people are prepared to pay a reasonable amount of tax for good quality public services.

The French are proud of their Health system and rightly so. If you have ever been there as I have, you will know they are decades ahead of us.

McCreevy, Ahern, Harney and co have deprived us of a proper world class health care system, which is now something only the wealthy and those who can afford expensive private insurance, have access to.
 

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We're going to need a proper mature discussion as a people on what type of Ireland we want after the disaster heaped upon us by the 'low tax' 'free marketeers', who have done more damage to our country than any of their dreaded 'high tax' 'socialist' foes could ever have done.

Personally, I would be in favour of something along the lines of the French model, where people are prepared to pay a reasonable amount of tax for good quality public services.

The French are proud of their Health system and rightly so. If you have ever been there as I have, you will know they are decades ahead of us.

McCreevy, Ahern, Harney and co have deprived us of a proper world class health care system, which is now something only the wealthy and those who can afford expensive private insurance, have access to.
I have VHI through my job but I'll tell ya, its not the panacea that people make it out to be. Remember, its still the same health service providing the care in most cases.
 

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I have VHI through my job but I'll tell ya, its not the panacea that people make it out to be. Remember, its still the same health service providing the care in most cases.
As a public health service user, it's apalling to see a consultant with effectively two waiting lists, public and private, where the private patients get priority regardless of need.

We need a universal health system properly funded and resourced, where there isn't a fast and slow lane for access to services.
 

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As a public health service user, it's apalling to see a consultant with effectively two waiting lists, public and private, where the private patients get priority regardless of need.

We need a universal health system properly funded and resourced, where there isn't a fast and slow lane for access to services.
Thats not always the case. When one of my children needed a procedure, we called and were told that there was a waiting list. Niaively we informed the consultants secretary that we had VHI and could the proceedure be organised earlier. We received a very kurt reply saying it made no difference. We still had to wait the same amount of time.

I thought on one hand it was disgraceful because not only are we paying taxes which get wasted on an inefficient health services, but we pay on the double with insurance premiums to only receive the same crap service.

Its a nonsense.
 

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As a public health service user, it's apalling to see a consultant with effectively two waiting lists, public and private, where the private patients get priority regardless of need.

We need a universal health system properly funded and resourced, where there isn't a fast and slow lane for access to services.
Just a slow lane then? Made even slower because there would be more people in it. Why not compulsory insurance and put everybody in the fast lane. It's appalling that people spend their money on fags, booze, sky sports and holidays but believe social justice means the rest of us picking up the tab for their health care.
 

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Just a slow lane then? Made even slower because there would be more people in it. Why not compulsory insurance and put everybody in the fast lane. It's appalling that people spend their money on fags, booze, sky sports and holidays but believe social justice means the rest of us picking up the tab for their health care.
Well, how much do you expect this universal insurance to cost? I personally pay 4% health levy for the privilage of not being able to access the health system in any meaningful way. I also pay (well my company pays and I pay BIK on that premium) for private health insurance for the privilage of not being able to access the health system in any meaningful way.
 

Bill D Gallows

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Just a slow lane then? Made even slower because there would be more people in it. Why not compulsory insurance and put everybody in the fast lane. It's appalling that people spend their money on fags, booze, sky sports and holidays but believe social justice means the rest of us picking up the tab for their health care.
I do pay for health insurance - public health insurance ! As do we all !.

Yet in spite of this, we have allowed a system where if you pay private health insurance, you get, in many cases, to skip the public waiting lists to see the same consultant in the same hospital, by virtue of your private health care.

I think it's appalling anybody would think that's a fair system.

I think it's even worse not enough of us seem to want to change it.
 

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I do pay for health insurance - public health insurance ! As do we all !.

Yet in spite of this, we have allowed a system where if you pay private health insurance, you get, in many cases, to skip the public waiting lists to see the same consultant in the same hospital, by virtue of your private health care.

I think it's appalling anybody would think that's a fair system.

I think it's even worse not enough of us seem to want to change it.
I think there are many people who do want to change it but dont know how. Our health service has been appalling no matter what party has been in power and it has only gotten worse under FF these past 13 or so years.
 

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I do pay for health insurance - public health insurance ! As do we all !.

Yet in spite of this, we have allowed a system where if you pay private health insurance, you get, in many cases, to skip the public waiting lists to see the same consultant in the same hospital, by virtue of your private health care.

I think it's appalling anybody would think that's a fair system.

I think it's even worse not enough of us seem to want to change it.
Yes, you pay a 4% Health Levy.

Lets do some simple math, shall we?

Irish GNP is about €120bn, OK?

Lets be really generous and presume that this is paid on all earnings.

120,000,000,000 x .04 = €4.8bn

Health Server Budget 2008 = €16bn


Now, can anybody point out the problem?
 

Bill D Gallows

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Yes, you pay a 4% Health Levy.

Lets do some simple math, shall we?

Irish GNP is about €120bn, OK?

Lets be really generous and presume that this is paid on all earnings.

120,000,000,000 x .04 = €4.8bn

Health Server Budget 2008 = €16bn


Now, can anybody point out the problem?
Hello? PRSI? Hello?
 

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There's a probability that the so called universal social contribution apllied to low incomes and attacks on social welfare money for 3 day week workers claiming on their stamps, will substantially increase the attractiveness of going fully on the dole!
 

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Read at the weekend that the black economy is worth €22 billion per annum :)

They reckon lost taxes are €4 billion

It must be the Dept of Finance calculating that figure as lost taxes would be significantly higher - Vat, prsi, paye, employers prsi etc.................


Smart economy my ...............ix
 

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