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How the Teaching Council is screwing newly qualified teachers through the Jobbridge scheme.


RobertW

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http://www.teachingcouncil.ie/_fileupload/Application Forms/FORM B_Nov_2011.pdf

That Bertie QUANGO, the Teaching Council, is sure making it difficult for anyone to become a teacher . . . All in the name of protecting the profession (and their own pay, perks and expenses of course).

The link above refers to ONE of the requirements of this "Council" that a QUALIFIED TEACHER requires to be recognised as a qualified teacher by the Teaching Council and thus eligible to teach (in this case) in a secondary school.

As the form states:

In order to satisfy the condition of Post Qualification Employment (PQE), applicants must provide evidence of 300 hours teaching employment in a recognised school that is verified and signed by the school principal. A minimum of two thirds (2⁄3) (200 hours) of the approved employment must be involved in the teaching of a curricular subject to a designated class on the School’s timetable. Up to one third (1⁄3) (100 hours) of the approved employment can be carried out in a learning support, special needs, language support or Guidance Counselling role. A maximum of a three year period is permitted within which a teacher must complete this requirement.
The part quoted above has been underlined by myself.

So a QUALIFIED TEACHER who most likely has provided many many hours of unpaid work (teaching and extra curricular) during their school placement as part of their third level teaching course is then assessed and, having passed their examinations, deemed QUALIFIED by the third level institution they attended.

But they're not deemed QUALIFIED by the Teaching Council until they've done 300 hours over a 3 year period. What are newly qualified teachers to do if they cannot find paid work in the current environment?

Now read down through the link:

Point 10 states the following :

"Teaching service carried out under the terms of Department of Education and Skills Circular 0046/2011on the ‘JobBridge’ - National Internship Scheme, is recognised for the purposes of meeting the requirement of Post Qualification Employment (PQE).
Yep - you've guessed it. The Teaching Council has no problem forcing young QUALIFIED teachers into schools for the equivalent of the dole plus 50 quid. . . . And they have an absolute fûcking cheek to state that their policy is to promote the profession of teaching.

Isn't it no surprise that the Teaching Council never opposed the appalling wage of new teachers (if they find a job) when they themselves are involved in scams like this?

And what happens if the newly qualified teacher does not accumulate 300 hours in three years?

Well they are deemed UNQUALIFIED by the Teaching Council. . . And they must repeat their teaching qualification (that they originally passed) all over again.

.....and all with the support of the teaching unions.
 


CookieMonster

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http://www.teachingcouncil.ie/_fileupload/Application%20Forms/FORM%20B_Nov_2011.pdf

That Bertie QUANGO, the Teaching Council, is sure making it difficult for anyone to become a teacher . . . All in the name of protecting the profession (and their own pay, perks and expenses of course).

The link above refers to ONE of the requirements of this "Council" that a QUALIFIED TEACHER requires to be recognised as a qualified teacher by the Teaching Council and thus eligible to teach (in this case) in a secondary school.

As the form states:



The part quoted above has been underlined by myself.

So a QUALIFIED TEACHER who most likely has provided many many hours of unpaid work (teaching and extra curricular) during their school placement as part of their third level teaching course is then assessed and, having passed their examinations, deemed QUALIFIED by the third level institution they attended.

But they're not deemed QUALIFIED by the Teaching Council until they've done 300 hours over a 3 year period. What are newly qualified teachers to do if they cannot find paid work in the current environment?

Now read down through the link:

Point 10 states the following :



Yep - you've guessed it. The Teaching Council has no problem forcing young QUALIFIED teachers into schools for the equivalent of the dole plus 50 quid. . . . And they have an absolute fûcking cheek to state that their policy is to promote the profession of teaching.

Isn't it no surprise that the Teaching Council never opposed the appalling wage of new teachers (if they find a job) when they themselves are involved in scams like this?

And what happens if the newly qualified teacher does not accumulate 300 hours in three years?

Well they are deemed UNQUALIFIED by the Teaching Council. . . And they must repeat their teaching qualification (that they originally passed) all over again.

.....and all with the support of the teaching unions.
It's the same story elsewhere in this country. The old boys in positions of power and influence protecting the other old boys.
 

H.R. Haldeman

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Identifying excessive state largesse in creating yet another quango - which I totally agree with - is not a fully coherent position without also accepting that there is excessive state largesse elsewhere in the system. Namely, in pay, pensions and conditions of state employment from top to bottom.

Second, mature teachers and their unions are amongst the greatest enemies of new, young teachers. They've pulled up the ladder, they have their pay and pensions locked in and they'll be damned if they stick their necks out for the next generation. Which is simply another example of the generational transfer of wealth from young to old in this country in the last decade.
 

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It is a 'pulling up of the ladder'. Suits the Teaching Council quango, their paymasters and also suits the government in that it automatically slices and dices opposition to these sorts of policies within the profession.

The rump of senior teachers won't be moved to object and will assume that they are being protected. Down the road a bit though the Teaching Council will be abolished as a costcutting measure and then the government can swing around and attack the senior teacher's benefits and pay and claim it is to widen access for the newer teachers.

Slice and dice the opposition, section it up and deal with it piecemeal. The one thing that the Irish Government can count on is the seflishness of the vested interest and they will use that.

First the newly qualified, then the middle to senior lot. Don't say you haven't been warned...
 

RobertW

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Identifying excessive state largesse in creating yet another quango - which I totally agree with - is not a fully coherent position without also accepting that there is excessive state largesse elsewhere in the system. Namely, in pay, pensions and conditions of state employment from top to bottom.

Second, mature teachers and their unions are amongst the greatest enemies of new, young teachers. They've pulled up the ladder, they have their pay and pensions locked in and they'll be damned if they stick their necks out for the next generation. Which is simply another example of the generational transfer of wealth from young to old in this country in the last decade.
This QUANGO (that you appear to agree with HRH) was created for the very mature teachers you appear to be talking about.

Your issue with mature teachers is not entirely true and is too much of a generalisation to be true. The vast vast majority of mature teachers are disgusted and appalled at the treatment of young teachers and they have absolutely no time for the Teaching Council. . . Because it takes their money and offers nothing to the profession of teaching.
 

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http://www.teachingcouncil.ie/_fileupload/Application Forms/FORM B_Nov_2011.pdf

That Bertie QUANGO, the Teaching Council, is sure making it difficult for anyone to become a teacher . . . All in the name of protecting the profession (and their own pay, perks and expenses of course).

The link above refers to ONE of the requirements of this "Council" that a QUALIFIED TEACHER requires to be recognised as a qualified teacher by the Teaching Council and thus eligible to teach (in this case) in a secondary school.

As the form states:



The part quoted above has been underlined by myself.

So a QUALIFIED TEACHER who most likely has provided many many hours of unpaid work (teaching and extra curricular) during their school placement as part of their third level teaching course is then assessed and, having passed their examinations, deemed QUALIFIED by the third level institution they attended.

But they're not deemed QUALIFIED by the Teaching Council until they've done 300 hours over a 3 year period. What are newly qualified teachers to do if they cannot find paid work in the current environment?

Now read down through the link:

Point 10 states the following :



Yep - you've guessed it. The Teaching Council has no problem forcing young QUALIFIED teachers into schools for the equivalent of the dole plus 50 quid. . . . And they have an absolute fûcking cheek to state that their policy is to promote the profession of teaching.

Isn't it no surprise that the Teaching Council never opposed the appalling wage of new teachers (if they find a job) when they themselves are involved in scams like this?

And what happens if the newly qualified teacher does not accumulate 300 hours in three years?

Well they are deemed UNQUALIFIED by the Teaching Council. . . And they must repeat their teaching qualification (that they originally passed) all over again.

.....and all with the support of the teaching unions.
Young Barristers have to Devil for 9 months for nothing. Solicitors must serve a three year apprenticeship. Engineers spend about four years gaining experience to get their Charter.

Teachers have a good deal.
 

RobertW

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Another point is as follows:

A NQT whose mother or father happens to be a Principal or Deputy Principal could get the form above easily signed and stamped.

As far as I'm aware there is no requirement for proof of the 300 hours other than the signature of the Principal and the schools stamp.

The message from this is clear: If you're the son/daughter of one of the boys or girls.....you're admitted to teaching.
 

Franzoni

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Dunno what all the hullabloo is about...as pointed out by a previous poster many other trades and professions have similar structures in place for many,many years.....and on a lot less than the dole +50 lids.....

Try living on 47 quid a week for year......only going up in increments.....

At the end of the day it's a personal choice to do this ...no ones arm is twisted to do any profession.....
 

Franzoni

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The message from this is clear: If you're the son/daughter of one of the boys or girls.....you're admitted to teaching.
So nothing has changed in this Banana republic for the last 90 years.....get used to it...the rest of us had to...the problem as i see it is this BS is starting to creep into the middle class professions so now all the alarm bells are starting.......
 

RobertW

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Dunno what all the hullabloo is about...as pointed out by a previous poster many other trades and professions have similar structures in place for many,many years.....and on a lot less than the dole +50 lids.....
An organisation which sets itself up to "promote the profession of teaching" has no problem forcing qualified younger members of that profession onto the Jobbridge Scheme?

If they are so interested in the profession what schemes do the Teaching Council propose to deal with the competence of more experienced teachers?
 

'orebel

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An organisation which sets itself up to "promote the profession of teaching" has no problem forcing qualified younger members of that profession onto the Jobbridge Scheme?

If they are so interested in the profession what schemes do the Teaching Council propose to deal with the competence of more experienced teachers?
What is your union doing about it?
 

Franzoni

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An organisation which sets itself up to "promote the profession of teaching" has no problem forcing qualified younger members of that profession onto the Jobbridge Scheme?

If they are so interested in the profession what schemes do the Teaching Council propose to deal with the competence of more experienced teachers?
They should have a look at the craft unions for guidence...

No member will be defended for bad worksmanship or neglect of his craft.....

If i made a hames of installing or servicing a gas boiler who do you think would be knocking on my door...?...maybe the newly qualified should set up a lobby group to call for the investigation of bad teachers outside of the teaching council....?...some should stand for election on such an issue if they feel so strongly about it.......the local elections are coming up soon.......

Teachers have plenty of experience in that field after all...............:)
 

'orebel

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Oh the union leadership support all of this.

Don't worry about that.
Are you a member? And if so what are you doing about it?
 

damus

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I don't have any problem with the registered practice hours element as that usually applies to professions in other jurisdictions, but I do have huge problems with expecting them to amass those prep standard hours for €188 + €50.
 

RobertW

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Are you a member? And if so what are you doing about it?
I'll tell you what I did about it.

I went down to the inaugural Teaching Council conference in Cork in November 2011 and told them to their faces that this was disgusting practice and has no support from ordinary teachers not at the leadership of the unions.

All of the leaders of the primary, secondary and third level unions were there and stayed quiet.

Afterwards a number of people privately approached me afterwards to commend and thank me for standing up.
 

H.R. Haldeman

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This QUANGO (that you appear to agree with HRH) was created for the very mature teachers you appear to be talking about.

Your issue with mature teachers is not entirely true and is too much of a generalisation to be true. The vast vast majority of mature teachers are disgusted and appalled at the treatment of young teachers and they have absolutely no time for the Teaching Council. . . Because it takes their money and offers nothing to the profession of teaching.

Sorry, I phrased my first sentence badly - I emphatically do not agree with the creation of the quango. I was agreeing with the notional statement that the quango is an example of excessive state largess. I then invited anyone who agreed with that to see a parallel with excessive largess elsewhere in the system.

On your second point, mature teachers might well be disgusted and appalled, but that is not being translated into action. It's weasel words from them I'm afraid. You'll well remember when the young teachers marched on the Dail a few months back that the teachers' unions were at best tepid and begrudging in their support. At worst, they were downright embarrassed and hostile to it, for the very reason that they knew it would threaten their mature members if they were seen by the general public to be complaining about what those unions know damn well are superb pay and conditions. It was nothing but selfishness of the highest, highest order.
 

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Another point is as follows:

A NQT whose mother or father happens to be a Principal or Deputy Principal could get the form above easily signed and stamped.

As far as I'm aware there is no requirement for proof of the 300 hours other than the signature of the Principal and the schools stamp.

The message from this is clear: If you're the son/daughter of one of the boys or girls.....you're admitted to teaching.
So... you are saying that principals are corrupt?
 

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