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HSE to oursource payroll


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Irish Times reporting that HSE are planning to outsource payroll operations.
http://www.google.ie/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&frm=1&source=web&cd=5&cad=rja&sqi=2&ved=0CDEQFjAE&url=http://www.irishtimes.com/newspaper/ireland/2012/1109/1224326364434.html&ei=qsGeUPbPIc-ThgeC-ICoCQ&usg=AFQjCNEOAeKIPui_glTaTXqlsXJGdYr_FA


''Several hundred people people worked in payroll and these could be redeployed to frontline services if the service was outsourced''.

How can payroll staff be redeployed to frontline? Are they going to do the jobs of nurses and ambulance workers or thoracic surgeons?
Are the people doing frontline office jobs going to resign to let the PPARS people take over their jobs?

I smell a rat here and suspect that this could end up costing more than it does currently.

In a normal operation if functions are being outsourced it would be usual to offer the staff involved the opportunity to
transfer to the new company or face redundancy.

IMPACT appear to be worried but they should realise that they cannot be made redundant and even if they are redeployed to makee up jobs on the frontline that they will still be paid. Having said that I do not believe that any worker should be treated this way. It is more honest to offer redundancy and perhaps a contribution to re-training etc.

So will this 21st century re-run of PPARS increase payroll costs rather than reducing them?
 


firefly123

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Yeah seems to be a pretty broad definition of frontline there.
 

potholedogger

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There is another redundancy scheme about to be announced too. Reilly is pushing them out the door.

Next step pay and pension cuts!
 

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10 years too late!
 

nonpartyboy

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Bollocks.......who owns the payroll company....fg lackie no doubt.
 

potholedogger

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The new Hospital trusts will be announced within two weeks!

If any of you are interested in tendering for the payroll service contract go right ahead!
 

darkhorse

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Lots of companies outsource payroll mainly due to the rediculous complexity of it
It should be a simple mater of multiplying the # of hours worked by the rate / hour - but due to Government involvement you would need a PhD in taxation law to work out how much you should give them.
Hence many companies outsource that expertise.
The HSE were one of the few larger organisations who tried to computerise this quagmire at huge expense - but failed - costing us, the taxpayer, a further €220m in the process.
 

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Irish Times reporting that HSE are planning to outsource payroll operations.
http://www.google.ie/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&frm=1&source=web&cd=5&cad=rja&sqi=2&ved=0CDEQFjAE&url=http://www.irishtimes.com/newspaper/ireland/2012/1109/1224326364434.html&ei=qsGeUPbPIc-ThgeC-ICoCQ&usg=AFQjCNEOAeKIPui_glTaTXqlsXJGdYr_FA


''Several hundred people people worked in payroll and these could be redeployed to frontline services if the service was outsourced''.

How can payroll staff be redeployed to frontline? Are they going to do the jobs of nurses and ambulance workers or thoracic surgeons?
Are the people doing frontline office jobs going to resign to let the PPARS people take over their jobs?

I smell a rat here and suspect that this could end up costing more than it does currently.

In a normal operation if functions are being outsourced it would be usual to offer the staff involved the opportunity to
transfer to the new company or face redundancy.

IMPACT appear to be worried but they should realise that they cannot be made redundant and even if they are redeployed to makee up jobs on the frontline that they will still be paid. Having said that I do not believe that any worker should be treated this way. It is more honest to offer redundancy and perhaps a contribution to re-training etc.

So will this 21st century re-run of PPARS increase payroll costs rather than reducing them?
I dread to think what sort of insider dealing mess will come out of this.
 

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IMPACT appear to be worried but they should realise that they cannot be made redundant and even if they are redeployed to makee up jobs on the frontline that they will still be paid. Having said that I do not believe that any worker should be treated this way. It is more honest to offer redundancy and perhaps a contribution to re-training etc.
Absolutely. Close the positions, give them redundancy and move on.

It's crazy in 2012 to have "several hundred" people involved in payroll for an organisation of 100k. You put a system in place to cover it. You know, one of the internationally renowned ones used by other large companies.

A HSE payroll system which ran hugely over-budget and eventually cost €130 million is to be replaced through outsourcing, an Oireachtas committee has heard.

The PPARS system was never fully rolled out and is just one of eight payroll systems used in the health services, the Dáil Public Accounts Committee was told.
That's INSANE. Utterly utterly mad. Good God.

Sinn Féin health spokesman Caoimhghín Ó Caoláin TD said the HSE was clearly acting under the direction of Minister for Health James Reilly.
Um. Good? Like....what's SF's suggested solution? We should let HSE invest in making 9th bloody system that doesn't work?

Make the staff handling the payroll redundant, make the huge IT teams maintaining these 8 systems redundant. Identify the people responsible for this absolute cluster****, if you can't fire them for cause give them the minimum amount of redundancy allowed by law and get them out of the door tomorrow.
 
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Absolutely. Close the positions, give them redundancy and move on.

It's crazy in 2012 to have "several hundred" people involved in payroll for an organisation of 100k. You put a system in place to cover it. You know, one of the internationally renowned ones used by other large companies.



That's INSANE. Utterly utterly mad. Good God.



Um. Good? Like....what's SF's suggested solution? We should let HSE invest in making 9th bloody system that doesn't work?

Make the staff handling the payroll redundant, make the huge IT teams maintaining these 8 systems redundant. Identify the people responsible for this absolute cluster****, if you can't fire them for cause give them the minimum amount of redundancy allowed by law and get them out of the door tomorrow.
I had not thought about the multiple IT teams for the eight different sysytems!
 

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Irish Times reporting that HSE are planning to outsource payroll operations.
http://www.google.ie/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&frm=1&source=web&cd=5&cad=rja&sqi=2&ved=0CDEQFjAE&url=http://www.irishtimes.com/newspaper/ireland/2012/1109/1224326364434.html&ei=qsGeUPbPIc-ThgeC-ICoCQ&usg=AFQjCNEOAeKIPui_glTaTXqlsXJGdYr_FA


''Several hundred people people worked in payroll and these could be redeployed to frontline services if the service was outsourced''.

How can payroll staff be redeployed to frontline? Are they going to do the jobs of nurses and ambulance workers or thoracic surgeons?
Are the people doing frontline office jobs going to resign to let the PPARS people take over their jobs?

I smell a rat here and suspect that this could end up costing more than it does currently.

In a normal operation if functions are being outsourced it would be usual to offer the staff involved the opportunity to
transfer to the new company or face redundancy.

IMPACT appear to be worried but they should realise that they cannot be made redundant and even if they are redeployed to makee up jobs on the frontline that they will still be paid. Having said that I do not believe that any worker should be treated this way. It is more honest to offer redundancy and perhaps a contribution to re-training etc.

So will this 21st century re-run of PPARS increase payroll costs rather than reducing them?

No doubt that some company is currently been set up by some former Government & HSE individuals e.g. Mary H, Brendan d etc. etc.
 

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Irish Times reporting that HSE are planning to outsource payroll operations.
http://www.google.ie/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&frm=1&source=web&cd=5&cad=rja&sqi=2&ved=0CDEQFjAE&url=http://www.irishtimes.com/newspaper/ireland/2012/1109/1224326364434.html&ei=qsGeUPbPIc-ThgeC-ICoCQ&usg=AFQjCNEOAeKIPui_glTaTXqlsXJGdYr_FA


''Several hundred people people worked in payroll and these could be redeployed to frontline services if the service was outsourced''.

How can payroll staff be redeployed to frontline? Are they going to do the jobs of nurses and ambulance workers or thoracic surgeons?
Are the people doing frontline office jobs going to resign to let the PPARS people take over their jobs?

I smell a rat here and suspect that this could end up costing more than it does currently.

In a normal operation if functions are being outsourced it would be usual to offer the staff involved the opportunity to
transfer to the new company or face redundancy.

IMPACT appear to be worried but they should realise that they cannot be made redundant and even if they are redeployed to makee up jobs on the frontline that they will still be paid. Having said that I do not believe that any worker should be treated this way. It is more honest to offer redundancy and perhaps a contribution to re-training etc.

So will this 21st century re-run of PPARS increase payroll costs rather than reducing them?
They could always do what the ESB did, continue to pay them but take the work away from them while forcing them to come into work every day. Let the redundancy offer on the table.
 

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Well, I suppose this is the one area where the unions wanted a perfomance culture to develop, and for that reason it was easy gain agreement on outsourcing from inside the HSE.
 

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Irish Times reporting that HSE are planning to outsource payroll operations.
http://www.google.ie/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&frm=1&source=web&cd=5&cad=rja&sqi=2&ved=0CDEQFjAE&url=http://www.irishtimes.com/newspaper/ireland/2012/1109/1224326364434.html&ei=qsGeUPbPIc-ThgeC-ICoCQ&usg=AFQjCNEOAeKIPui_glTaTXqlsXJGdYr_FA


''Several hundred people people worked in payroll and these could be redeployed to frontline services if the service was outsourced''.

How can payroll staff be redeployed to frontline?
I know someone who works in hospital admin who is a former nurse. I think most of them are. Therefore it could be quite feasible to do this.
 

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