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Huge massacre of Christians in Sri Lanka


willow68

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And what is your authroity for that statement? Who did the counting.

Considering that for 500 years (since the 9th century), the Arab world preserved the knowledge of the ancient world better than the Christians did.

Would it shock you to learn we still teach our children Arabic numerals, aka Hindu-Arabic numerals?
Do you know what happened to the great libraries of the world, Nalanda being one of them? Destroyed by islamic conquerors. Arabs preserving the knowledge of the ancient world. Don' t make me laugh.
 


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Considering that for 500 years (since the 9th century), the Arab world preserved the knowledge of the ancient world better than the Christians did.

Would it shock you to learn we still teach our children arabic numerals, aka Hindu-Arabic numerals?
The Arabs did have the benefit of having co-opted the cultural, economical and political center of the areas they conquered at the time. Baghdad, Antioch, Alexandria and Constantinople were all initially ruled by the Zoroastrian Sassanids or Christian Byzantines prior to the expansion of the Caliphates.

The Arabs just inserted themselves into rather interchangeable societal niches without radically changing very much. The Arabic numerals were also adopted from Hindu mathematicians that the Arabs encountered while spreading the word into Northern India.

I believe some would consider what you've said about the Arabs "preserving the knowledge of the Ancient world" as firstly impossible to compare unequivocally and at worst one of the best examples of "culutral appropriation" you'll have in history.
 

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Do you know what happened to the great libraries of the world, Nalanda being one of them? Destroyed by islamic conquerors. Arabs preserving the knowledge of the ancient world. Don' t make me laugh.
They did though. Whilst libraries were destroyed, in Islam's first age (8th to 12th centuries) a lot of Greek knowledge was preserved by scholars working under the early caliphs. Islam took a fatal turn in the 12th century. There was an intellectual struggle between (a culture war we'd call it today) between the rationlists and the literalists. The literalists won, thus paving the way for the intellectual desert the Muslim world is today.
 

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And what is your authroity for that statement? Who did the counting.

Considering that for 500 years (since the 9th century), the Arab world preserved the knowledge of the ancient world better than the Christians did.

Would it shock you to learn we still teach our children Arabic numerals, aka Hindu-Arabic numerals?
Unfortunately the Arab world that preserved knowledge of the ancient world followed a very different type of Islam to the Wahhabi strain that emanated from the desert and, funded by petro dollars, has spread throughout the Muslim world.

The Wahhabis have no use for education and culture.
 

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Unfortunately the Arab world that preserved knowledge of the ancient world followed a very different type of Islam to the Wahhabi strain that emanated from the desert and, funded by petro dollars, has spread throughout the Muslim world.

The Wahhabis have no use for education and culture.
Or history, as their ruthless destruction of historic Mecca shows.
 

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Sri Lanka bans burqa after carnage

Sri Lankan President Maithripala Sirisena on Sunday announced a ban on burqa, or face covering, a week after militants carried out coordinated suicide bombings that killed 253 people.

Sirisena said he was using emergency powers to ban any form of face covering in public. The restriction will take effect from today, his office said in a statement.

"The ban is to ensure national security...No one should obscure their faces to make identification difficult," the statement said.
 

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So ISIS put out a new video featuring Abu Bakr al Baghdadi.

He claimed responsibility for the Sri Lanka massacres. And he said there will be a long battle against " the people of the Cross".
 

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Isis go well beyond Wahhabism. And these kind of strains of Islam are not new.

The Kharijites were the first, arising in the late seventh century. They instituted Takfir - the idea that Muslims who stray from "the correct path" effectively reject their religion, enter the ranks of apostates, and therefore deserve capital punishment. (They also believed it was forbidden to live among those who did not share their views.)

The ideological current they started has basically been the same one that all radical Islam sects down through the ages of Islam have followed, and there have been many, through to ISIS, and others, today.

Just to note that ISIS have been termed 'Takfiris' by some, after the practice of Takfir, because Abu Bakr al-Baghdadi, ISIS's leader, revived a particularly medieval version of takfir, that's probably the crux of their barbarism.

Wahhabism, vile as it is, does not practice a Takfir anywhere near as medieval and strict as ISIS.

Also the main trajectory of Wahhabism into the world today was not through Saudi Arabia initially, rather it was through the Muslim Brotherhood of Egypt and Palestine, set up in 1928. The MB widely preached Wahhabi Islam and a Pan-Islamic Empire and are basically the mother organisation for nearly all today's radical Islamic terror groups.

The Saudi clerics while they no doubt have taken over the party in terms of Wahhabism, first were late to the party, second they are far from the only party in town.
 

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The Kharijites were the first, arising in the late seventh century. They instituted Takfir - the idea that Muslims who stray from "the correct path" effectively reject their religion, enter the ranks of apostates, and therefore deserve capital punishment. (They also believed it was forbidden to live among those who did not share their views.)

Also the main trajectory of Wahhabism into the world today was not through Saudi Arabia initially, rather it was through the Muslim Brotherhood of Egypt and Palestine, set up in 1928. The MB widely preached Wahhabi Islam and a Pan-Islamic Empire and are basically the mother organisation for nearly all today's radical Islamic terror groups.
The Khawarij were as always not exactly to put it mildly what you are making out, in fact the best to compare them is that Sicarii sect within Second Temple Judaism with their battle cry "No King but God!" (a slogan that has been adopted by the Zionist colonists who have rejected the Zionist state for not genociding the indigenous population of Palestine and are a growing factor on the West Bank in our day). They were basically "Theo-Anarchists". Do you know the poetess Layla bint Ṭarif? She was one of the Khawarij and up there with Al-Khansa in terms of poetry in my opinion.

Hassan al-Banna, was not a Whabbai by any means, and calling Sayyid Qutb one who though there are certain resemblances in somethings would be misleading. The Egyptian Muslim Brotherhood did get a foot hold in Palestine in the 1970s, 1980s and 1990s however given the differing national characters of Egyptians and Palestinians that type of Political Islam was never able to really take off there.
 

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... The Egyptian Muslim Brotherhood did get a foot hold in Palestine in the 1970s, 1980s and 1990s however given the differing national characters of Egyptians and Palestinians that type of Political Islam was never able to really take off there...
The mufti was a key figure in the rise of the Muslim brotherhood.

Sure, owing to British sensibilities he did not formally institute a branch in Jerusalem until 1945.

But he had the same pan-Islamic vision, along with pan-Arab nationalism. (of course this was long before the strategy was changed to one of "Palestinian nationalism" so as to make the refugees weigh as much on the West as possible. E.g. during the pan Arab strategy the first chairman of the PLO, Ahmad al-Shukeiri, was actually the Saudi ambassador to the United Nations from 1957 to 1962. The aim back then was independence for all Arab countries, with the basic understanding that Palestine was historically and geographically part of Greater Syria.)

In fact it was the Mufti who was instrumental in evolving the MB from a broadly supported proselytising movement to a reviled political movement, forming alliances with the Nazis whereby by the late 1930's and early 1940's the Muslim Brotherhood would send hundreds of its members to receive "training" from the Nazi regime. Hitler trained the Muslim Brotherhood says ex-grand mufti

That was all the Mufti's doing.

But let's bring this back on topic. The basic sentiment of today's Muslim extremists has flourished in the Islamic world for a long time. The Muslim Brotherhood and Wahhabism, the original vectors of ISIS both arose out of Salafism, which basically believes that the practice of Islam has become corrupted and must be reformed to reflect seventh-century forms of Islam.

Let's note that a Salafi jihadist considers all modern Muslim rulers to be infidels. They do not believe in the nation-state, and interpret the concept of "nation" as a false idol. Including the government of Saudi Arabia.

Remember in 1902 when Ibn Saud as a local tribesman captured Ryad, proclaimed himself regional leader, and revived the practice of Wahhabi Islam in order to gain acceptance and loyalty from the local Bedouin tribes, that situation only lasted until 1927 and the Ikhwan revolt - Ikhwan revolt - Wikipedia

In other words, since then, the Wahhabi clerics, the Ikhwan wahhabi zealots are basically against the government of al Saud. (Well at least they are against the more moderate faction, the Faisal branch of the Saudi royals, having allies in the Sudairi branch of the Saudi royals who are the powerful conservative opposition within the House of Saud, that significantly control oil and gas production and has strong ties with the influential bin Laden family and so on.)

Anyway, that ill-fated 1927 revolt of the Ikhwan Wahhabi extremists against al Saud because of their dealings with the West (Wahhabism has a very strong anti-American and anti-Western message the exact same as the one they have managed to imbue into so many useful fools in the West) caused Wahhabism to relocate to Egypt, the MB being formed the following year.

And yes, the Mufti became a prominent member of Muslim Brotherhood as he saw the Wahhabi concept of Islamic Jihad as the key tool to rally pan-Islamic support to further his agenda of Pan-Islamic take-over. The Muslim Brotherhood significantly under Husseini’s influence became the main vector of hatred against the West and of course the Jews.

ISIS evolved from Al-Qaeda in Iraq, evolved from Bin Laden's Al Qaeda. Jihad Islami (a.k.a. Islamic Jihad) was the organization that radicalised Osama Bin Laden into becoming a central proponent of the Wahhabi Jihad against the West. Jihad Islami came from the the Muslim Brotherhood as did Hamas and a number of other extremist groups.
 

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Good podcast here on the Sri Lanka attacks and the pathetic reaction by western leftists

Varadkar did not offer any sympathies to the Sri Lanka 290 Christians murdered.
He did offer his sympathies to the 49 Muslims murdered in Christchurch New Zealand.
He was critizised from the alter last Sunday for this inconsistency. This is the first sign I have noticed of the Irish churches speaking out against the persecution and murder of Christians by Islamic terrorists.

When the good stay silent, evil flourishes. I admire this priest for his honesty in highlighting this fact of which Irish people are completetely unaware.

We have a problem with our so-called 'leader'. and none of the politicians in Dáil Eireann have noticed or challenged him on his bias with these two atrocities. Our weak-kneed politicians need to stand up to this anti-Christian attitude or simply the basic bias shown by him in his support for Muslims as against ignoring the wrongs done on Catholics/Christians.

He and his cohorts (all of the politicians) in Dáil Eirean and the Councils need to be got rid of without any delay before this country goes completely down the tubes.
 
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Varadkar did not offer any sympathies to the Sri Lanka Christians murdered.
He did offer his sympathies to the Muslims murdered in Christchurch New Zealand.
He was critizised from the alter last Sunday for this inconsistency. This is the first sign I have noticed of the Irish churches speaking out against the persecution and murder of Christians by Islamic terrorists.

We have a problem with our so-called 'leader'. and none of the politicians in Dáil Eireann have noticed or challenged him on his bias with these two atrocities. Our weak-kneed politicians need to stand up to this anti-Christian attitude shown by him.

He and his cohorts (all politicians) in Dáil Eirean and the Councils need to be got rid of without any delay before this country goes completely down the tubes.
This is nothing new as his attitude is echoed by many of the liberal/left posters here on p.ie whose hatred of the CC has them promoting Islam never having read the Koran and how Muhammad viewed non Muslims. Their attitude is the enemy of my enemy is my friend as far as Islam and Christianity is concerned. Varadkar might have a grievance against Catholic Ireland for not allowing him marry his partner before the constitutional change but boy is he in for a rude awakening if ever Islam takes over.
 

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One cannot denounce islamophobia hysterically but remain silent on christianophobia. It is simply not a consistent position.
The great unwashed are beginning to see through dirtbag leftie propagandists.

Leftie virtue-signallers praise Islam because they see it as a religion of people who are brown. The denounce Christianity because they see it as a white religion.

There is a crazy socialist inverse racism at work. They are in bed with radical Islam in a way that is highly dangerous for our society.
 
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Varadkar did not offer any sympathies to the Sri Lanka 290 Christians murdered.
He did offer his sympathies to the 49 Muslims murdered in Christchurch New Zealand.
He was critizised from the alter last Sunday for this inconsistency. This is the first sign I have noticed of the Irish churches speaking out against the persecution and murder of Christians by Islamic terrorists.

When the good stay silent, evil flourishes. I admire this priest for his honesty in highlighting this fact of which Irish people are completetely unaware.

We have a problem with our so-called 'leader'. and none of the politicians in Dáil Eireann have noticed or challenged him on his bias with these two atrocities. Our weak-kneed politicians need to stand up to this anti-Christian attitude shown by him.

He and his cohorts (all of the politicians) in Dáil Eirean and the Councils need to be got rid of without any delay before this country goes completely down the tubes.
Why wouldn't they toe the line? They are all staying on message for the local and European elections, thou shalt not criticise Islam is top of the list. None of them is going to be willing to say anything that the others will use against them. They will all worship at the alter of multicult. Hell, even Trinity college is doing a PR stunt waiving fees for the Halawa lad, apparently his little jaunt to Egypt meant he would have been non resident here so would have had to pay international student fees. I suppose they're hoping for a bit of bridge building with the Muslim community in the light of the tiny payout they were forced to give the FGM supporting ''Dr'' Ali Selim the other week when they got rid of him quickly after his support for genitally mutilating little girls.
 

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Why wouldn't they toe the line? They are all staying on message for the local and European elections, thou shalt not criticise Islam is top of the list. None of them is going to be willing to say anything that the others will use against them. They will all worship at the alter of multicult. Hell, even Trinity college is doing a PR stunt waiving fees for the Halawa lad, apparently his little jaunt to Egypt meant he would have been non resident here so would have had to pay international student fees. I suppose they're hoping for a bit of bridge building with the Muslim community in the light of the tiny payout they were forced to give the FGM supporting ''Dr'' Ali Selim the other week when they got rid of him quickly after his support for genitally mutilating little girls.
SF, FF, FG, Social Democrats, Labour, People Before Profit/Solidarity all on message for open borders and 'multiculturism'. Lots of 'new Irish' running for the different parties - one guy brazenly has on his poster 'For Europe' - the others are 'for Europe' too, but are cute about it. Boylan and SF were to the forefront in running around after the Halawi's, I suppose to try and garner the Muslim vote. The Irish get who they vote for - renegade politicians who never properly support them and their views.

Solidarity has on their posters 'need not greed' and yet support mass migration into Ireland which is enriching the pockets of landlords of apartments, hotels and Direct Provisions centres, and the legal profession, and all at the cost of supplying housing to indigenous Irish homeless - irony of the highest order.

It sickens and distresses me to see them again expecting that the gullible electorate will continue to support and vote for them.

Vote only for Anti Corruption Ireland (ACI), Irexit and The National Party. Any Independents running need to clearly state their aims and policies.
 
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SF, FF, FG, Social Democrats, Labour, People Before Profit/Solidarity all on message for open borders and 'multiculturism'. Lots of 'new Irish' running for the different parties - one guy brazenly has on his poster 'For Europe' - the others are 'for Europe' too, but are cute about it. Boylan and SF were to the forefront in running around after the Halawi's, I suppose to try and garner the Muslim vote. The Irish get who they vote for - renegade politicians who never properly support them and their views.

Solidarity has on their posters 'need not greed' and yet support mass migration into Ireland which is enriching the pockets of landlords of apartments, hotels and Direct Provisions centres, and the legal profession, and all at the cost of supplying houing to indigenous Irish homeless - irony of the highest order.

It sickens and distresses me to see them again expecting that the gullible electorate will continue to support and vote for them.

Vote only for Anti Corruption Ireland (ACI), Irexit and The National Party. Any Independents running need to clearly state their aims and policies.
Is the bogus asylum seeker who was running for the People before Profit crowd still running or has she gone yet? ya gotta love the brass neck of it, 2 years on a student visa in Britain, a brief return home to Malawi then back to Ireland as an ''asylum seeker''. :ROFLMAO:
 

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The Wahhabis have no use for education and culture.
Well, they probably do..but it's a false notion they have of it. They think that building flashy , expensive universities and research institutes is a substitute for free expression, secularization and a society that values intellectual curiosity. They also refuse to use the talents of women. They think you just get things by buying them.
 

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