Huge row looming over EU cohesion funds

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The future allocation of EU cohesion funds was always going to be contentious what with the UK leaving. However, according to the Financial Times, plans are afoot to shift tens of billions in funding from countries like Poland and Hungary towards the Club Med states based on the former countries not adhering to EU "values".

Germany and Sweden also look to be set to big winners with proposals that the EU budget be used to provide financial support to regions hosting large numbers of asylum seekers.

"They are trying to fix it against us," said a diplomat from one member state set to lose out from the new proposals. "It is another way we lose money."
 


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No "cohesion". But the unaccountable, elected-by-nobody, Politburo in Brussels will continue to stay in power.

All of which proves that the British were correct to get out.

Does the nEU empire seem perenially disposed to respond to every failing, by doubling down on an authoritarian track towards centralization and hitting those that refuse to obey ?

Merkel is another German leader who seems to be given an gift for turning Germany's neighbours against Germany. the only out for Germany is to replace Merkel.
 

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sounds like prop up the german banks who are exposed to the Med with European funds
 

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No "cohesion". But the unaccountable, elected-by-nobody, Politburo in Brussels will continue to stay in power.

All of which proves that the British were correct to get out.

Does the nEU empire seem perenially disposed to respond to every failing, by doubling down on an authoritarian track towards centralization and hitting those that refuse to obey ?

Merkel is another German leader who seems to be given an gift for turning Germany's neighbours against Germany. the only out for Germany is to replace Merkel.
Maybe it is time now to eject Germany from membership of the EU.
Their politicians only cause trouble and always did.
 

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Behind the moral posturing, credibility problems are emerging in rich political machines in certain countries, whose powerbase is collapsing beneath their own misjudgement and inability to run their own societies properly, whilst they lecture others.

Simply put, they are not competent to run anything - yet they continue to behave as if they should be calling the shots in the entitre continent.

This is about keeping certain countries down, whilst sustain unsustainable ponzi-scheme real estate economics in certain locations.
 

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The EU is being run and operated to suit German national interests and long term ambitions Ie a federal Europe with Germany in control.
 

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No "cohesion". But the unaccountable, elected-by-nobody, Politburo in Brussels will continue to stay in power.

All of which proves that the British were correct to get out.

Does the nEU empire seem perenially disposed to respond to every failing, by doubling down on an authoritarian track towards centralization and hitting those that refuse to obey ?

Merkel is another German leader who seems to be given an gift for turning Germany's neighbours against Germany. the only out for Germany is to replace Merkel.
The Poles, Hungarians et al should have boxed a bit more cleverly. They should have done like we did - toed the line until we became richer than the average. Once a country becomes a net contributor, they're in a better position to push their agenda.

One of the comments under the FT article states that "the Hungarian economy would have shrunk by 1.8% between 2007 and 2015, rather than growing by 4.6%" were it not for EU funds.
 

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The EU is being run and operated to suit German national interests and long term ambitions Ie a federal Europe with Germany in control.
Emanuel Macron is top dog in Europe at the moment. Merkel has been weakened in the recent election results. Macron is manoeuvring for his country to replace the retreating UK as the USA's number one ally in Europe.
 

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The Poles, Hungarians et al should have boxed a bit more cleverly. They should have done like we did - toed the line until we became richer than the average. Once a country becomes a net contributor, they're in a better position to push their agenda.

One of the comments under the FT article states that "the Hungarian economy would have shrunk by 1.8% between 2007 and 2015, rather than growing by 4.6%" were it not for EU funds.
What do these countries expect when they increasingly flaunt rules they signed up to and which are corner stones of EU membership?

Whatever anyone thinks about any club... any member that increasingly disregards rules they signed up to shouldn't be rewarded.

It sounds like many of them want their cake and to eat it... which seems to be a common enough ailment within Europe currently...

Give us the subsidies and the money etc... but f*** off when it comes to us adhering to EU things we signed up for... :roll:
 

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Emanuel Macron is top dog in Europe at the moment. Merkel has been weakened in the recent election results. Macron is manoeuvring for his country to replace the retreating UK as the USA's number one ally in Europe.
Won't work because the French don't have the same obsequious attitude to the US that the Tories have, so aren't as much use.
 

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What do these countries expect when they increasingly flaunt rules they signed up to and which are corner stones of EU membership?

Whatever anyone thinks about any club... any member that increasingly disregards rules they signed up to shouldn't be rewarded.

It sounds like many of them want their cake and to eat it... which seems to be a common enough ailment within Europe currently...

Give us the subsidies and the money etc... but f*** off when it comes to us adhering to EU things we signed up for... :roll:
This is Europe's 'Deep South'.
 

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The Poles, Hungarians et al should have boxed a bit more cleverly. They should have done like we did - toed the line until we became richer than the average. Once a country becomes a net contributor, they're in a better position to push their agenda.

One of the comments under the FT article states that "the Hungarian economy would have shrunk by 1.8% between 2007 and 2015, rather than growing by 4.6%" were it not for EU funds.
Once a country becomes a net contributor, they're in a better position to push their agenda.

So what is this agenda that Ireland is pushing?
 

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Emanuel Macron is top dog in Europe at the moment. Merkel has been weakened in the recent election results. Macron is manoeuvring for his country to replace the retreating UK as the USA's number one ally in Europe.
Macrons hosting of Trump in France for the second occasion before May has even done so once, would suggest that the process of the US outsourcing elements of the 'special relationship' is well underway.
 

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So what is this agenda that Ireland is pushing?
Defending the 12.5% corporate tax rate, for one.

The worrying thing about these developments is that countries like Hungary are on our side in this argument. However, the more rows there are between Brussels and the eastern countries, the more they're likely to up sticks and leave.

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And Brexit, of course. (Thank you, Spanner Island.)
 

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So what is this agenda that Ireland is pushing?
Currently... probably Brexit and trying to maintain EU solidarity with the unique predicament Brexit has created for Ireland...

We'll see how that goes...

Ongoing would be things like opposing harmonisation of corporate tax rates etc.

The agenda changes constantly based on circumstances...
 

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What do these countries expect when they increasingly flaunt rules they signed up to and which are corner stones of EU membership?

Whatever anyone thinks about any club... any member that increasingly disregards rules they signed up to shouldn't be rewarded.

It sounds like many of them want their cake and to eat it... which seems to be a common enough ailment within Europe currently...

Give us the subsidies and the money etc... but f*** off when it comes to us adhering to EU things we signed up for... :roll:
Ah yes the usual wittering of the brainwashed and supplicant

The biggest breaker of EU rules is ....drum roll ....Germany
https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/angela-merkel-germany-breaks-more-eu-rules-worst-bottom-class-a8198271.html

So , to quote you "when it comes to us adhering to EU things we signed up for... " it seems Germany tells the EU to f@ck off most
:roll:

The ignorance of the average EUnoch is astonishing , we had another fanatic claiming the Comisson was just the civil service on another thread :roll:
 

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The Poles, Hungarians et al should have boxed a bit more cleverly. They should have done like we did - toed the line until we became richer than the average. Once a country becomes a net contributor, they're in a better position to push their agenda.

One of the comments under the FT article states that "the Hungarian economy would have shrunk by 1.8% between 2007 and 2015, rather than growing by 4.6%" were it not for EU funds.
We toed the line, and ended up bankrupt in 2008-2009.

And currently our debt levels are higher than ever. The statists influencing the part of governance that is still locally run, have extended state commitments to the point of including enormous commitments extracted from the rest of society, that will bankrupt the entire society.
 

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We toed the line, and ended up bankrupt in 2008-2009.

And currently our debt levels are higher than ever. The statists influencing the part of governance that is still locally run, have extended state commitments to the point of including enormous commitments extracted from the rest of society, that will bankrupt the entire society.
It's for another thread but it's startling that we're not running a budget surplus at the moment.
 

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Emanuel Macron is top dog in Europe at the moment. Merkel has been weakened in the recent election results. Macron is manoeuvring for his country to replace the retreating UK as the USA's number one ally in Europe.
The UK is hardly retreating. It is reorganizing - under a rather indecisive, and gaffe-prone leadership.

Macron is smooth with the moves and the PR. And he is decisive. But....what in what direction ?
 

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Ah yes the usual wittering of the brainwashed and supplicant

The biggest breaker of EU rules is ....drum roll ....Germany
https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/angela-merkel-germany-breaks-more-eu-rules-worst-bottom-class-a8198271.html

So , to quote you "when it comes to us adhering to EU things we signed up for... " it seems Germany tells the EU to f@ck off most
:roll:

The ignorance of the average EUnoch is astonishing , we had another fanatic claiming the Comisson was just the civil service on another thread :roll:
And France... don't forget France either... as they both flouted rules when it suited them... as we and others did too...

The EU will more than likely implode at some point...

The trick is to be in it when it does and to be part of what emerges afterwards...

Throwing our toys out of the pram and leaving like the Brits are doing is an option... but for a country our size that is as exposed to MNCs that are here for access to the EU among other things isn't an option despite infantile fantasists like yourself thinking it is...

Plus the UK will be as f***ed if/when the EU implodes outside as they would be inside... it's geography innit...
 


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