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Huge UK defence cuts expected today.


Dohville

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According to various reports, the Royal navy will be slashed today. Of 2 new aircraft carriers being built, one will be mothballed immediately after completion, and probably sold within 3 years. It was decided that it would cost more to cancel than build. Oh and the aircraft carrier won't have any jets to fly off it anyway.
Another current carrier will be scrapped, and the surface fleet will be reduced to under 20 ships.
Thousands of MoD staff willalso be cut.
Harriers will also be scrapped.
According to the BBC
  • The Ark Royal, launched in 1985, will be decommissioned almost immediately, rather than in 2014, as previously planned
  • The construction of two new aircraft carriers, HMS Queen Elizabeth and HMS Prince of Wales, will go ahead, as it would cost more to cancel the projects than proceed with them
  • The navy will lose 4,000 personnel and its surface fleet will be cut from 24 to 19
  • Some squadrons of RAF Tornado jets will be saved - although some air force bases will close
  • The Army will have to cut up to 7,000 or so personnel over the next five years, and lose 100 tanks and heavy artillery
And this after weekend reports that the MoD will be saved from the worst of cuts.

I wasn't sure whether to put this in Defence or UK
 

A view from England

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According to various reports, the Royal navy will be slashed today. Of 2 new aircraft carriers being built, one will be mothballed immediately after completion, and probably sold within 3 years. It was decided that it would cost more to cancel than build. Oh and the aircraft carrier won't have any jets to fly off it anyway.
Another current carrier will be scrapped, and the surface fleet will be reduced to under 20 ships.
Thousands of MoD staff willalso be cut.
Harriers will also be scrapped.
According to the BBC
  • The Ark Royal, launched in 1985, will be decommissioned almost immediately, rather than in 2014, as previously planned
  • The construction of two new aircraft carriers, HMS Queen Elizabeth and HMS Prince of Wales, will go ahead, as it would cost more to cancel the projects than proceed with them
  • The navy will lose 4,000 personnel and its surface fleet will be cut from 24 to 19
  • Some squadrons of RAF Tornado jets will be saved - although some air force bases will close
  • The Army will have to cut up to 7,000 or so personnel over the next five years, and lose 100 tanks and heavy artillery
And this after weekend reports that the MoD will be saved from the worst of cuts.

I wasn't sure whether to put this in Defence or UK

Sign of the times. If this is what is going to happen in Defence, which has been spared a major budget cut, imagine what is going to happen to the rest of the public sector. Details tomorrow from Mr Osborne. This is how to deal with the public sector. Cut it!
 

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I wasn't sure whether to put this in Defence or UK
/MOD/ UK :) It's no problem, I've moved it now. /MOD/

Way to go Govt though for making the couragous decision to pass off the Trident decision to the next guys...
 

Dohville

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Thanks for the move. Wouldnt want to upset the shinners :)

It is interesting from our point of view, as we tend to follow the UK when it comes to making policy decisions(read:cuts).
If large public sector cuts are accepted in the UK(who have a much larger public sector) then no doubt you can expect the same here. The big difference being, we won't have Ex Army mps, lobbying to protect their old army buddies from cuts.
 

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...It is interesting from our point of view, as we tend to follow the UK when it comes to making policy decisions(read:cuts)....
its also interesting because - whatever is said in public - UK defence contributes to the defence of the Republic of Ireland: the RAF no longer having Nimrods patrolling the North Eastern Atlantic does nothing to make the waters around the RoI safer (and you could question whether the Irish requirement for only two Casa-235 maritime patrol aircraft was arrived at knowing of the existance of the RAF Nimrod fleet and its operating patterns), the loss of RN surface vessels reduces the number of friendly ships in the vicinity of Ireland should Ireland be tracking a drugs shipment, or responding to an at-sea disaster, and the loss of the Harrier and Tornado aircraft means the Typoon fleet will be stretched further than at present, potentially leading to the RAF having to decline Irish requests for air interceptions within Irish airspace.

none of this is 'good news' for Ireland, and most of it means that either Irish security drops, or Ireland has to spend more to retain the current level of security capability.
 

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We are approaching the situation where the RN is only twice as large as the Irish NS. The way things are going we could be protecting their waters for them. Their 3 Offshore Patrol vessels are due to be disposed of soon, unless the leases are renewed or the ships are bought outright by the RN.
 

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According to various reports, the Royal navy will be slashed today. Of 2 new aircraft carriers being built, one will be mothballed immediately after completion, and probably sold within 3 years. It was decided that it would cost more to cancel than build. Oh and the aircraft carrier won't have any jets to fly off it anyway.
Another current carrier will be scrapped, and the surface fleet will be reduced to under 20 ships.
Thousands of MoD staff willalso be cut.
Harriers will also be scrapped.
According to the BBC
  • The Ark Royal, launched in 1985, will be decommissioned almost immediately, rather than in 2014, as previously planned
  • The construction of two new aircraft carriers, HMS Queen Elizabeth and HMS Prince of Wales, will go ahead, as it would cost more to cancel the projects than proceed with them
  • The navy will lose 4,000 personnel and its surface fleet will be cut from 24 to 19
  • Some squadrons of RAF Tornado jets will be saved - although some air force bases will close
  • The Army will have to cut up to 7,000 or so personnel over the next five years, and lose 100 tanks and heavy artillery
And this after weekend reports that the MoD will be saved from the worst of cuts.

I wasn't sure whether to put this in Defence or UK
Might as well ask the qustion again, what army will the west brits join now?
 

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What will this do to the "special relationship" considering this now consists of Brits getting killed to support American adventures around the world?
 

Dohville

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its also interesting because - whatever is said in public - UK defence contributes to the defence of the Republic of Ireland: the RAF no longer having Nimrods patrolling the North Eastern Atlantic does nothing to make the waters around the RoI safer (and you could question whether the Irish requirement for only two Casa-235 maritime patrol aircraft was arrived at knowing of the existance of the RAF Nimrod fleet and its operating patterns).

Well thats the end of nimrod. The Upgrades that were planned have been cancelled.
So the RAF now have NO dedicated MPA, and nothing in the pipeline either.
The air corps are going to have to start working after 4pm.
 

Dohville

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Might as well ask the qustion again, what army will the west brits join now?
What difference will the answer make to the topic? The british army will continue recruiting, as long as their troops are being killed.
Plenty of irishmen joining the US military also.
 

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So they're scrapping Nimrods but keeping the nukes?
Hardly practical, is it?
 

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its also interesting because - whatever is said in public - UK defence contributes to the defence of the Republic of Ireland: the RAF no longer having Nimrods patrolling the North Eastern Atlantic does nothing to make the waters around the RoI safer (and you could question whether the Irish requirement for only two Casa-235 maritime patrol aircraft was arrived at knowing of the existance of the RAF Nimrod fleet and its operating patterns), the loss of RN surface vessels reduces the number of friendly ships in the vicinity of Ireland should Ireland be tracking a drugs shipment, or responding to an at-sea disaster, and the loss of the Harrier and Tornado aircraft means the Typoon fleet will be stretched further than at present, potentially leading to the RAF having to decline Irish requests for air interceptions within Irish airspace.

none of this is 'good news' for Ireland, and most of it means that either Irish security drops, or Ireland has to spend more to retain the current level of security capability.
Your living in a fantasy world where Ireland is endangered by some unnamed enemy requiring fast aircraft interceptors to defend us. When has this ever happened?

in fact having less Royal Navy activity in our waters probably makes it safer for our fisherman to go about their daily business. They have suffered greater loss at the hands of the RN than at the hands of your phantom enemy.
 

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Your living in a fantasy world where Ireland is endangered by some unnamed enemy requiring fast aircraft interceptors to defend us. When has this ever happened?

in fact having less Royal Navy activity in our waters probably makes it safer for our fisherman to go about their daily business. They have suffered greater loss at the hands of the RN than at the hands of your phantom enemy.
How have irish fishermen suffered at the hands of the royal navy? I'm curious.
 

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How have irish fishermen suffered at the hands of the royal navy? I'm curious.
Royal Navy and RAF SAR have certainly saved quite a few lives in Irish waters over the years. I think there has also been a few cases of submarines sinking trawlers by snagging nets. Not sure if has resulted in the deaths of any Irish fishermen though.
 
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