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BBC News - Nuclear submarine HMS Astute runs aground off Skye


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These are the actions of a well trained crew. To crash into a whole country. unbelievable.

Maybe its time for a caption competion.

Undergoing sea trials, it does not mean necessarily the crew were at fault, the USSR and US have also had similar incidents.

But your not intrested in that, rather projecting your own national insecurities, (look up psychological projection), its when some puts their own insecurities onto another.
 


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are you stalking me? thats nice.
They haven't gone away you know.





i thought that you regarded that as one in the same thing.There are plenty around your way that do.
Just where is "around my way" exactly. Where in any of my posts do I suggest that? Or are you of the variety who believes anyone who does not support Irish Terrorist acts must be british?



I think my point was about these subs not being an asset and in fact a danger, in particular to Irish fishermen. With beautiful timing the RN have proved my point.Now what was your point ? or do you have one, other than to try and score points?
You think your point was about.... That sums it up, you don't even know what point, if any you were trying to make. You are contradicting yourself now. Maybe you think it was RAF submarines that sunk those poor fishermen?
 

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Undergoing sea trials, it does not mean necessarily the crew were at fault, the USSR and US have also had similar incidents.
I said during the week that there was questions about RN training and operations and with great timing the RN crash one of their main subs into a large island. you still dont question the training of these forces, you are so bias that you are in complete denial. If an irish naval vessel ran aground even on sea trials, then any normal person would question the training and operation of the crew.

But your not intrested in that, rather projecting your own national insecurities, (look up psychological projection), its when some puts their own insecurities onto another.
Did u serve in the UK forces, a foreign force? How ironic.You will do anything to defend UK forces from some misguided sense of belonging.I will look up psychological projection and you can look up shoneen, post colonial psychosis, cannon fodder, uncle tom and house negro. then check the mirror. not pretty is it?
 

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I said during the week that there was questions about RN training and operations and with great timing the RN crash one of their main subs into a large island. you still dont question the training of these forces, you are so bias that you are in complete denial. If an irish naval vessel ran aground even on sea trials, then any normal person would question the training and operation of the crew.



Did u serve in the UK forces, a foreign force? How ironic.You will do anything to defend UK forces from some misguided sense of belonging.I will look up psychological projection and you can look up shoneen, post colonial psychosis, cannon fodder, uncle tom and house negro. then check the mirror. not pretty is it?
Your knowldege of military things is zero,

quote.

I said during the week that there was questions about RN training and operations and with great timing the RN crash one of their main subs into a large island.

..............You were asked to be more specific, but you were incapable, your a fool with low self esteem, hence the the obsession with British forces.
 

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They haven't gone away you know.
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Just where is "around my way" exactly. Where in any of my posts do I suggest that? Or are you of the variety who believes anyone who does not support Irish Terrorist acts must be british?
I believe you are in Cork. Where do i say you are British? Again read my posts.




You think your point was about.... That sums it up, you don't even know what point, if any you were trying to make. You are contradicting yourself now. Maybe you think it was RAF submarines that sunk those poor fishermen?
now you are making no sense.I believe that you are not really able to defend what you have written so you are trying to confuse matter with this drivel.. You have no point and the crash today just further shows that we shouldn't have these vessels anywhere near irish fishing boat or near the Irish coast, that is my point. I dont know what you mean by RAF subs, please explain.
 

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PineMartin, your full of s***, most sub accidents since 2000 have been Us or Russian.

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Your knowldege of military things is zero,

quote.

I said during the week that there was questions about RN training and operations and with great timing the RN crash one of their main subs into a large island.

..............You were asked to be more specific, but you were incapable, your a fool with low self esteem, hence the the obsession with British forces.
insults instead of facts. your easy pickings. it may work with you ex forces buddies but out in the real world you need to raise your game.
 

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Again I have called for the UK to provide an adequate Heli rescue facility for the six counties. I also salute all those UK crews that have helped in rescues everywhere.

Your quote above is typical of the the mentality of some types of irish people.the rescue on Lugh was aided by the RAf and a welsh moutain rescue team with one heli I believe. We should be very grateful that these people would risk their time and life and limb to help Irish people in distress however you make it look like Irish people played a small role, this could not be further from the truth. There were five irish helis involved in this operation and teams from the ARW and from other army units as well as many rescue teams from all over ireland. the lost climbers were found and taken off the mountain by irish teams( Mourne rescue and ARW , I believe, and lifted off by irish coast guard heli. Many on these forums seek to belittle the Irish DF and people involved by implying that they are not capable and that in an emergency we have to get the UK to help, this help goes both ways. . Your attempt to re write the story of what happened on Lugh and to exclude the work of these Irish heroes who risked lives is pretty mean spirited.

We should welcome the help we get from UK services but not diminish the role of our DF and rescue organisations. They are there 24,7 to help us. In fact we have provided more heli rescue services to the UK in recent years than they have to us. Their are many on this site who wish to paint all Irish things as second class and all UK things as better, Gayners post is just another in a long line of such dishonest posts. Sadly too many Irish people have this mentality. Shooneenism is alive and well in modern ireland.
What are you ranting about?
Where did I seek to diminish the work of our Defence Forces?
How have I “re-written” the story?
The text body was pasted from a news story describing the events. The words are not mine. The reference I made to RAF assistance on rescue missions was an attempt to re-dress the agenda you are promulgating on this thread, i.e., that the proximity of UK forces to Irish Territorial waters (and by extension, airspace) represents an inherent hazard to the safety of Irish Citizens. As it is, I am perfectly comfortable with Ireland’s place in the world and am a proud Irishman, it is you and those like you, whose constant refrain is the criticism of all things British (with the curious exception of their favourite English premier league football team) that would seem to have the inferiority complex.

i salute the brave crews and you also for digging up a story nearly 15 years old. how long did that take to find maybe as long as the original rescue, you are truly a PIE hero, step forward Sir Gayner, man of steel and keyboard warrior.

T’was but the work of a moment I assure you. Google is your friend. Anyway, the above is somewhat rich coming from someone who seemingly has the time to flood this thread with your asinine sophistry.
 

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What are you ranting about?
Where did I seek to diminish the work of our Defence Forces?
How have I “re-written” the story?
The text body was pasted from a news story describing the events. The words are not mine. The reference I made to RAF assistance on rescue missions was an attempt to re-dress the agenda you are promulgating on this thread, i.e., that the proximity of UK forces to Irish Territorial waters (and by extension, airspace) represents an inherent hazard to the safety of Irish Citizens. As it is, I am perfectly comfortable with Ireland’s place in the world and am a proud Irishman, it is you and those like you, whose constant refrain is the criticism of all things British (with the curious exception of their favourite English premier league football team) that would seem to have the inferiority complex.

i salute the brave crews and you also for digging up a story nearly 15 years old. how long did that take to find maybe as long as the original rescue, you are truly a PIE hero, step forward Sir Gayner, man of steel and keyboard warrior.

T’was but the work of a moment I assure you. Google is your friend. Anyway, the above is somewhat rich coming from someone who seemingly has the time to flood this thread with your asinine sophistry.
As I have said before I salute the efforts of UK forces when the are trying to save lives in Ireland and in other posts I praise their training and professionalism,
these are hardly the words of some whos constant refrain is anti Britishness. I dont support a premier league team and have never been to a premier league match, so wrong again.Is this really the level of your arguement? pretty poor.

I cant help if the article you quoted writes low the contribution of the irish rescue workers at Lugh, you chose an article that highlighted one UK chopper team and 2 rescue teams, when in fact there were 5 irish helis and many irish teams.the choice was yours and you chose to highlight the Uk contribution, you have to ask yourself why, as you say google is a friend but maybe sometimes you dont listen to that friend preferring to put forward your own agenda( a quick google search would have found a more accurate description of the rescue at Lugh).

thank you for making a post without base insults, this is to be welcomed as most of the posters here are not able to hold their foul tongues.
 

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I believe you are in Cork. Where do i say you are British? Again read my posts.






now you are making no sense.I believe that you are not really able to defend what you have written so you are trying to confuse matter with this drivel.. You have no point and the crash today just further shows that we shouldn't have these vessels anywhere near irish fishing boat or near the Irish coast, that is my point. I dont know what you mean by RAF subs, please explain.
 

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Query, soon time for the Argentines to conquer the Malvinas? 19 Royal Navy surface ships with no air cover shouldn't prevent much of an obstacle (the Argentines no longer have their own aircraft carrier but their strike and other aircraft can always refuel in the air, just as they did during the last war). The subs are nice, but they can't really deliver enough troops, etc., to conduct an amphibious operation to retake the place (and even if they tried, they'd be rather vulnerable while disgorging troops, etc.). As the one soul recently wrote:

Argentina and its Chavez-supporting first couple must also be thrilled that the Falklands, or should we now just start calling them Islas Malvinas, will no longer have the protection of a British fleet that could deploy airpower to the South Atlantic. That hearty band of British sheep farmers and, now, oil and gas prospectors, who have no interest in becoming Argentine citizens, must be very nervous. Perhaps Prime Minister Cameron might just consider negotiating the surrender of the islands now to avoid the embarrassment of being defeated by Argentine forces with a Venezuelan expeditionary unit in support. He might even get a small oil royalty payment in return.
 

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Query, soon time for the Argentines to conquer the Malvinas? 19 Royal Navy surface ships with no air cover shouldn't prevent much of an obstacle (the Argentines no longer have their own aircraft carrier but their strike and other aircraft can always refuel in the air, just as they did during the last war). The subs are nice, but they can't really deliver enough troops, etc., to conduct an amphibious operation to retake the place (and even if they tried, they'd be rather vulnerable while disgorging troops, etc.). As the one soul recently wrote:

Argentina and its Chavez-supporting first couple must also be thrilled that the Falklands, or should we now just start calling them Islas Malvinas, will no longer have the protection of a British fleet that could deploy airpower to the South Atlantic. That hearty band of British sheep farmers and, now, oil and gas prospectors, who have no interest in becoming Argentine citizens, must be very nervous. Perhaps Prime Minister Cameron might just consider negotiating the surrender of the islands now to avoid the embarrassment of being defeated by Argentine forces with a Venezuelan expeditionary unit in support. He might even get a small oil royalty payment in return.

Thats 19 RN fighting ships, inc a troop carrier, HMS Ocean, with numerous support vessels inc 35 of the RFA. Still the worlds 4th largest Navy.

Theres a British infantry battalion, 2 subs and fighters out there. Argentina has also cut its armed forces drastically, its doubtful it has the resourses to even attempt an invasion. Even if it had the political will.

If Argentina was building up a force, they would simply fly out more infantry and fighters.
 

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Argentina knows it is much closer to reclaiming the islands through diplomatic means, than military ones. Chile supports their cause, the USA is ambivolent. Its current government too is relatively stable, and will not embark on such a campaign as quickly as the Galtieri Junta did. Indeed, but for luck, and timing, the end result would have been much different.

The presence of oil under the antarctic merely complicates the issue, as South america is the only practical route for any exploration or extraction, and not a windswept sheep colony 200 miles or more from anywhere. Chile already has the infastructure.
 

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Argentina knows it is much closer to reclaiming the islands through diplomatic means, than military ones. Chile supports their cause, the USA is ambivolent. Its current government too is relatively stable, and will not embark on such a campaign as quickly as the Galtieri Junta did. Indeed, but for luck, and timing, the end result would have been much different.

The presence of oil under the antarctic merely complicates the issue, as South america is the only practical route for any exploration or extraction, and not a windswept sheep colony 200 miles or more from anywhere. Chile already has the infastructure.
The presence of oil beneath the Falklands themselves though is what clouds the picture.
60 Billion barrels is nearly as much as the reserves left in Gawahr(77billion est), the biggest field ever found.

Interesting article here:

Argentina Running Out Of Options In Falklands Oil Fight | Oil Price.com
 

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The usual half-baked sensationalism from the always hysterical Daily Mail.
 

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Query, soon time for the Argentines to conquer the Malvinas? 19 Royal Navy surface ships with no air cover shouldn't prevent much of an obstacle (the Argentines no longer have their own aircraft carrier but their strike and other aircraft can always refuel in the air, just as they did during the last war). The subs are nice, but they can't really deliver enough troops, etc., to conduct an amphibious operation to retake the place (and even if they tried, they'd be rather vulnerable while disgorging troops, etc.). As the one soul recently wrote:


Argentina and its Chavez-supporting first couple must also be thrilled that the Falklands, or should we now just start calling them Islas Malvinas, will no longer have the protection of a British fleet that could deploy airpower to the South Atlantic. That hearty band of British sheep farmers and, now, oil and gas prospectors, who have no interest in becoming Argentine citizens, must be very nervous. Perhaps Prime Minister Cameron might just consider negotiating the surrender of the islands now to avoid the embarrassment of being defeated by Argentine forces with a Venezuelan expeditionary unit in support. He might even get a small oil royalty payment in return.
Yes no aircraft carrier but 4 of the worlds 2nd best fighter jet possibly the best if the yanks havnt fixed the f22s unfortunate habit of suffocating pilots better than anything south america has and is likely to have a company of battle hardened infantry who are bored out of their skulls. With a load of heavy machine guns and fire and forget anti tank missiles
Plus a rather well planned scheme to rapidly reinforce the garrision by air if argentina ever became a threat.
But as they cant afford second hand spanish mirages one of their naval ships sunk in the harbour.
Most of the plans for argentina to retake the falklands relie on the armed forces to be a mixture of jason bourne and al quaida sucide attackers meanwhile the british have to behave like a drunk Mr Bean.
If a type 45 bothers to turn up it as two missiles for every active argentine fast jet
The Falkland Islands and Our Pants | Think Defence
Sums up the many problems south america faces apart from the fact supporting argentina at confrence costs nothing actually getting into a fight with a highly experianced professional armed forces would cost a lot.
 

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the Argentinian navy is in appauling condition. most of its ships are non operational because they cannot afford spare parts or to man them. its in a shocking condition and not sea worthy net along taking on a rerun with the brits.
 


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