Hungary: Resistance to the Orban far-right regime emerges into the open ....


Herr Rommel

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Yes, but intelligent people also understand giving power to authoritarian wolfs IS NOT a solution. The history has shown where such power leads.
Where is an alternative who will protect the boarders which is what they want.
 

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Fidedz still on 48% in a recent poll. There would still be a huge conservative majority in parliament. Jobbik is on 16%.
 

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The Viktor Orban Government will face other major challenges this year, or possibly next.

The EU is bringing first Poland and then Hungary to the European Court of Justice over "court reforms" that practically end an independent judiciary. There are signs Poland may back down, and later Hungary may have to decide how much EU membership means to it.

The EU Commission has also introduced budgetary reforms that will make it harder for Orban, his family and associated oligarchs to fatten themselves on EU money. If Hungary is a net beneficiary from the EU, there will be tough decisions ahead.
 

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Fidedz still on 48% in a recent poll. There would still be a huge conservative majority in parliament. Jobbik is on 16%.
You must admit it is a good trick to get about 90% of constituency seats with less than 50% of the vote.

And with Orban controlling media in Hungary, it would be naive to slavishly accept every poll.
 

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They have not gone away, you know.

More demonstrations yesterday, and they have spread to other cities.

Thousands march in Budapest to protest Hungary's 'slave law' | Euronews
Meanwhile ...The great hope and heir to Merkel for federalists like owedtojoy .....Macron, has found new lows in opinion polls , has admitted France would vote to leave the EU if asked , and continues to face the biggest civil protest and disobedience in Europe (but ssshhhhhh!!)

Gilets jaunes protesters turn out in French cities for eighth week | World news | The Guardian

But yep , this is the year when opposition to the Right wing Federalist EU/Big business/Media alliance will fold and the Red Tories will prosper once again :roll:

Ive a funny feeling , when over half of Europes population dont even bother to vote , and of those that do, a significant minority vote for blatantly anti eu parties , you'll be on here claiming the tide has turned too :roll:
 

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But yep , this is the year when opposition to the Right wing Federalist EU/Big business/Media alliance will fold and the Red Tories will prosper once again :roll:
So Pravda/RTE will be claiming that Labour will win 50 seats in the next GE? :) Owde will be indulging in his student union politics again claiming that there's massive EU support for Merkel and Macron? The two of them will be lucky if they are not politically hanging from lampposts by May 2019.
 

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The Viktor Orban Government will face other major challenges this year, or possibly next.

The EU is bringing first Poland and then Hungary to the European Court of Justice over "court reforms" that practically end an independent judiciary. There are signs Poland may back down, and later Hungary may have to decide how much EU membership means to it.

The EU Commission has also introduced budgetary reforms that will make it harder for Orban, his family and associated oligarchs to fatten themselves on EU money. If Hungary is a net beneficiary from the EU, there will be tough decisions ahead.
The EU is doing no such thing. It is the Commission.
 

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The EU is doing no such thing. It is the Commission.
The Commission is the EU Executive in tandem with the Governments. But there is a body of EU Law which can be adjudicated via the European Court.
 

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Meanwhile ...The great hope and heir to Merkel for federalists like owedtojoy .....Macron, has found new lows in opinion polls , has admitted France would vote to leave the EU if asked , and continues to face the biggest civil protest and disobedience in Europe (but ssshhhhhh!!)

Gilets jaunes protesters turn out in French cities for eighth week | World news | The Guardian

But yep , this is the year when opposition to the Right wing Federalist EU/Big business/Media alliance will fold and the Red Tories will prosper once again :roll:

Ive a funny feeling , when over half of Europes population dont even bother to vote , and of those that do, a significant minority vote for blatantly anti eu parties , you'll be on here claiming the tide has turned too :roll:
There is a thread for this.

I do not think the "tide has turned". Only that autocrats and fascists may not find their "revolutions" as easy as they expected. Surprising not all people think the sun ,moon and stars shines from the local strongman's ass.
 

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I do not think the "tide has turned". Only that autocrats and fascists may not find their "revolutions" as easy as they expected. Surprising not all people think the sun ,moon and stars shines from the local strongman's ass.
Still upset that Hillary Clinton did not win in 2016?
 

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Unelected bureaucrats. There's a democracy deficit with the EU and it will eventually destroy it.

EU commissioners are proposed by national governments and selected by the president of the European Commission. New legislation proposed by the Commission still has to be agreed by the member states and passed by the European Parliament, which is directly elected by EU voters. So it's misleading to say unelected bureaucrats make decisions in the EU.
 

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There is a thread for this.

I do not think the "tide has turned". Only that autocrats and fascists may not find their "revolutions" as easy as they expected. Surprising not all people think the sun ,moon and stars shines from the local strongman's ass.
Ive a shocking bit of news for you ....it is possible to dislike Trump , Orban and Brexit ...whilst equally be scathing about the EU, Macron Merkel, its decisions and its directions.
Its called being in the centre ..........

Except for binary extremist snowflakes like you and your ilk of course for whom any criticism of your beloved EU means fascism and extremism :roll:
 

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EU commissioners are proposed by national governments and selected by the president of the European Commission. New legislation proposed by the Commission still has to be agreed by the member states and passed by the European Parliament, which is directly elected by EU voters. So it's misleading to say unelected bureaucrats make decisions in the EU. [/SIZE]
Yeah ..thats the theory ...the reality is very very different

E.g. In theory , the HSE , The Gardai ,Tusla , the civil service and every state agency answers to a minister appointed by those elected to the Dail and is the answerable by the rest of the elected Dail so is democratically accountable .....but only a fool who hasn't spent more than 5 minutes in Ireland thinks that's the way it works :roll:
 

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EU commissioners are proposed by national governments and selected by the president of the European Commission. New legislation proposed by the Commission still has to be agreed by the member states and passed by the European Parliament, which is directly elected by EU voters. So it's misleading to say unelected bureaucrats make decisions in the EU. [/SIZE]
I reckon with those 3 degrees of separation from the actual citizens, that's about 60% democratic then.
Coincidentally, that is the same as your relationship to a banana.
 

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EU commissioners are proposed by national governments and selected by the president of the European Commission. New legislation proposed by the Commission still has to be agreed by the member states and passed by the European Parliament, which is directly elected by EU voters. So it's misleading to say unelected bureaucrats make decisions in the EU. [/SIZE]
I would rather be represented by the elected officials from my own country. EU commissioners are usually old worn out former politicians who come to Brussels for anonymity and the gravy train, a reward late in life to fill their pockets.
Who is this EU foreign minister swanning around? I didn't elect her and she certainly doesn't represent me. I'm delighted to hear that the United States downgraded this farce to kindergarten level, as deserved.
 
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