Hungary votes on EU refugee Quotas

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Capital Q for quotas, because this is not Brussels asking member states to take 1,000 or so assorted Somalis in 2017, but ordering them to do so. How many, when, and no choice in the matter.

Hungary votes in referendum on EU refugee quotas

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2016/oct/01/hungarian-referendum-slam-door-migrants-new-era-europe


The Hungarian govt is anti-too much immigration, while also taking an above average chunk of grants from the EU. So some/many voters are thinking, "let's not kill the goose that lays golden eggs". It may not succeed.

I'd expected a thread on this, because the theme is similar to brexit - the people preferring less money for more control of their lives. Many of us expect votes for money, because money buys you freedom. However, strangers on your sidewalk and in hospital queues can do your head in as well.

Soooooo, what about a referendum here on numbers coming in every year. Not the principle of immigration because we need some. What is a reasonable ceiling?
 


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Ireland has no need of immigrants. We need to deport the ones that are here. When do we get a referendum on getting our country back?
 

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Ireland has no need of immigrants. We need to deport the ones that are here. When do we get a referendum on getting our country back?
Would disagree with you - we do need some immigration. However, we don't need what is happening now, despite what our bought - off chattering classes tell us. Good luck to the Hungarian people in their referendum. At least Orban has the gumption to tell it like it is and to show Brussels and Berlin where to go with their untrammelled immigration policies.
 

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Is it time to blame Putin yet?
 

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We don't need ANY Muslim immigration.

WE need a referendum similar to Hungary's. We are not in Schengen but We need a safeguard to the Globalist patsies.
 

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I don't worry about immigration. We need some. I do worry about integration.
 

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Capital Q for quotas, because this is not Brussels asking member states to take 1,000 or so assorted Somalis in 2017, but ordering them to do so. How many, when, and no choice in the matter.

Hungary votes in referendum on EU refugee quotas

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2016/oct/01/hungarian-referendum-slam-door-migrants-new-era-europe


The Hungarian govt is anti-too much immigration, while also taking an above average chunk of grants from the EU. So some/many voters are thinking, "let's not kill the goose that lays golden eggs". It may not succeed.

I'd expected a thread on this, because the theme is similar to brexit - the people preferring less money for more control of their lives. Many of us expect votes for money, because money buys you freedom. However, strangers on your sidewalk and in hospital queues can do your head in as well.

Soooooo, what about a referendum here on numbers coming in every year. Not the principle of immigration because we need some. What is a reasonable ceiling?
A ceiling is 4000 per annum carefully screened to make sure they can integrate properly. If this passes it will another kick in the goolies for the Ozymandiases in Brussels.
 

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However, strangers on your sidewalk and in hospital queues can do your head in as well.
AKA It results in a low trust society and once a proven non-integrating religion (muslims) take hold in numbers - Kiss your high trust society goodbye.
 

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Why does Ireland need 'immigration'? And if we do, specifically what kind of immigrants are needed?

I would love to see Irish nurses and doctors return but don't think there's any urgent need for others who left no matter how many degrees they have.

An increased population through immigration means more strain on housing, schools and health services. Immigrants don't necessarily help play for the pensions of the retired - often they are on minimum wage so pay no income tax, PRSI and only a nominal amount of USC. When they lose that minimum wage job they can find the dole/rent allowance/medical card etc more attractive than working.
 
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The turnout is the key figure, it has to be over fifty per cent for the vote to be valid. The wording is phrased in such a way so as to ensure that people will vote against it. Opposition parties know they have no chance of getting people to vote in favour of it so instead they have worked to campaign for people to abstain hoping that the 50 per cent threshold won't be reached.

The Wording is:
Do you want the European Union to be able to mandate the obligatory resettlement of non-Hungarian citizens into Hungary even without the approval of the National Assembly?
 

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A ceiling is 4000 per annum carefully screened to make sure they can integrate properly. If this passes it will another kick in the goolies for the Ozymandiases in Brussels.
Just how do you carefully screen them? Syrian passports are notoriously easy to fake.
Journalist Lauren Southern asked members of the Calais jungle where they were from, nearly ALL were NOT from Syria.
[video=youtube;n0GVDArwobc]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n0GVDArwobc[/video]
 

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Capital Q for quotas, because this is not Brussels asking member states to take 1,000 or so assorted Somalis in 2017, but ordering them to do so. How many, when, and no choice in the matter.

Hungary votes in referendum on EU refugee quotas

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2016/oct/01/hungarian-referendum-slam-door-migrants-new-era-europe


The Hungarian govt is anti-too much immigration, while also taking an above average chunk of grants from the EU. So some/many voters are thinking, "let's not kill the goose that lays golden eggs". It may not succeed.

I'd expected a thread on this, because the theme is similar to brexit - the people preferring less money for more control of their lives. Many of us expect votes for money, because money buys you freedom. However, strangers on your sidewalk and in hospital queues can do your head in as well.

Soooooo, what about a referendum here on numbers coming in every year. Not the principle of immigration because we need some. What is a reasonable ceiling?
We are not obliged to take any in at all that are not EU or EFTA citizens

We are not part of Schengen

- but we do have lap dog leaders [sic] who will do as Mizz Merkel dictates

However with the UK on its way out the door the CTA between us and them and how Schengen operates will be a Gordian Knot to unravel

- but I think we should cut loose and regain control of our own affairs
 

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The turnout is the key figure, it has to be over fifty per cent for the vote to be valid. The wording is phrased in such a way so as to ensure that people will vote against it. Opposition parties know they have no chance of getting people to vote in favour of it so instead they have worked to campaign for people to abstain hoping that the 50 per cent threshold won't be reached.

The Wording is:
In other words Fascism. You can vote but you have to vote the way the Globalists want you to.
 

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Why does Ireland need 'immigration'? And if we do, specifically what kind of immigrants are needed?

I would love to see Irish nurses and doctors return but don't think there's any urgent need for others who left no matter how many degrees they have.
The Irish people are going to the expense of training Irish doctors and nurses to send to England, Australia and the USA, while we import our doctors and nurses from the third world. Absolute insanity, but what else would you expect from the Leinster House gangsters.
 

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Why does Ireland need 'immigration'? And if we do, specifically what kind of immigrants are needed?

I would love to see Irish nurses and doctors return but don't think there's any urgent need for others who left no matter how many degrees they have.

An increased population through immigration means more strain on housing, schools and health services. Immigrants don't necessarily help play for the pensions of the retired - often they are on minimum wage so pay no income tax, PRSI and only a nominal amount of PRSI. When they lose that minimum wage job they can find the dole/rent allowance/medical card etc more attractive than working.
Exactly right.

We would have bigger and less expensive homes, less traffic on the roads, more resources to share.

No country needs immigration other than highly selective. What a country needs is a sustainable economic system where the average worker's earnings provides for all their needs including housing, education, health-care, family and retirement and then prices adjust to accomodate.

The current ponzi scheme economic system where a worker spends huge amounts on housing while their other costs are passed on to each subsequent generation with each one needing to be bigger than the last is simply not sustainable and only benefits those at the top of the food-chain. Ponzi schemes are illegal for a reason. They are destined for collapse.

Attempting to increase the population through mass immigration also destroys social cohesion especially when the immigrants have either a low average IQ or belong to the world's most intolerant, totalitarian death-cult.
 
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The Irish people are going to the expense of training Irish doctors and nurses to send to England, Australia and the USA, while we import our doctors and nurses from the third world. Absolute insanity, but what else would you expect from the Leinster House gangsters.
The Leinster House gangsters created the conditions that enforced the exodus of Irish Doctors and nurses in recent years. Nurses could not get jobs here due to the recruitment freeze so left for countries that would employ them.

I don't know how many of the doctors qualifying from the undergraduate medical degree progamme left as they had the benefit of the 'free fees' (ie the registration charge) but I do know that most of the doctors qualifying on the graduate medical programme have been leaving to pay off their debts. Fees on the graduate medical programme are €15,000 - 17400 pa for four years. Add in living costs. minimum debt on qualification €100,000. Starting salary for long hours and multi stress c.€31.5k. So they leave.

How many special advisors does Minister Simon Harris need to tell him to offer doctors completing the graduate programme a refund of a years fees for each year they work in the HSE? Yet the special advisors are having him spend big money on international recruiting campaigns to bring in foreign doctors with dodgy English and dodgy qualifications - remember the doctor who couldn't tell an ankle from an elbow?
 

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Soooooo, what about a referendum here on numbers coming in every year. Not the principle of immigration because we need some. What is a reasonable ceiling?
That will never happen. Irish people are inveterate cap doffers who have never truly been comfortable with the idea of being let run their own affairs.
 

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The turnout is the key figure, it has to be over fifty per cent for the vote to be valid. The wording is phrased in such a way so as to ensure that people will vote against it. Opposition parties know they have no chance of getting people to vote in favour of it so instead they have worked to campaign for people to abstain hoping that the 50 per cent threshold won't be reached.

The Wording is:
The wording seems to be designed to make people vote against it in so far as the wording is a 100% accurate description of what the EU wants.
 


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