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Hoopshead

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When Liebour turned on their "own" people that's when they wrote their own obituary.Im from a family of traditional Liebour voters,like it was said earlier they should just join FG and be done with it.
 

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Who is Jim Kenny? When did you vote for him? There is a Séan Kenny who retired 12 months ago who is still in the best of his health. Perhaps it's Enda Kenny who you voted for and thought he was in the Labour Party? There are quite a few with memories like yours on this site!
Pretty obviously Jim Kemmy.


Which makes me wonder about YOU.
 

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Not one of them or their offspring in the MNC's, the P&CS, the Unions, and the rats who scurried off to independentland with an ounce of decency to do a bit of good for the country and publicly commit Hara Kiri.

May you and your antecedents and your offspring rot in hell. Never has a section of hell been reserved for a more deserving self-righteous set of gangsters.

 

Socratus O' Pericles

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yeah or possibly predictive text .......Jim Kemmy .....last Labour TD that refused to sell out or was more interested in middle class navel gazing and a ministerial pension and trappings of power rather than social and economic justice .......
Labour can trace their woes straight back to the Workers Party coup.
Labour had woes before that. The 70's will be Socialist


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yeah or possibly predictive text .......Jim Kemmy .....last Labour TD that refused to sell out or was more interested in middle class navel gazing and a ministerial pension and trappings of power rather than social and economic justice .......
Labour can trace their woes straight back to the Workers Party coup.
Labour can trace it's two-faced treachery back to the Cork Mafia in general and in particular to Barry Desmond (a piece of pure bad bacteria) .



The only sad thing is the bas***** is still alive.
 

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Your capacity for shilling for the Labour Party [corpse] is at vol 11 also.
To be fair I think he'll take anyone's money to make an ass of himself here.
 

Mad as Fish

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Anyway, back to why Labour have suddenly decided that backing the privatisation of water was a bad thing. Why the sudden conversion, the back peddling and the enthusiasm for putting a distance between itself and IW?
 

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Anyway, back to why Labour have suddenly decided that backing the privatisation of water was a bad thing. Why the sudden conversion, the back peddling and the enthusiasm for putting a distance between itself and IW?
When did they back the privatisation of water ? Irish Water is a wholly owned state company.
 

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You see there goes the memory again. I remember Jim Kemmy was endlessly vilified in the 1990's for agonising on the plinth at Leisnter House by people who shared your political perspective, romanticised the past and ignored reality. Kemmy never broke with the Labour Party nor lost the whip.
Séan Kenny on the other hand at that time resigned the Labour whip to vote against the government on the Cahill plan for Aer Lingus and stood by his principles.
However as I pointed out he's well and has earned his retirement.

With some on this site, the only Labour person who is acceptable is one who is dead and can have words stuffed in their mouths ad nauseum.
It was Kemmy who stopped VAT on kids shoes, while outside Labour and lost his seat in the next election ....to Labour .....
I don't particularly share Kemmys perspective ...... thats you ironically stuffing words in peoples mouths :roll: ...i do respect him as a sincere politician for whom belief trumped personal gain and who represented his constituents and stayed true to his values ...i would respect any politician from any party who did the same ....sadly they are few and far between


Like the ability of posters to accept someone can admire someone with opposing or slightly differing political views it appears .....Ho Hum
 
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Howling is a busted flush even some of his biggest supporters are privately admitting it. His old school and part of the system, Labour needed an honest fighter to lead the party forward and that was Alan Kelly.
Totally agree. Howlin represents so much of what is wrong what Irish politics - willing to abandon every principle and policy if there are a few votes to be won.

They should have chosen Alan Kelly as their leader.

I wonder what will Kelly do now. Surely he can't stay in a party where the leader has a view so diametrically opposed to one he holds so passionately.
 

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Holding that gig on a Saturday a few weeks before Christmas, with Ireland playing the All Blacks as well, was asking for a small crowd.
I guess revolutionaries don't 'do' Saturdays :roll: oh, and the rugby was on ? well, the plebs can eat cake until Monday so.
 

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Totally agree. Howlin represents so much of what is wrong what Irish politics - willing to abandon every principle and policy if there are a few votes to be won.

They should have chosen Alan Kelly as their leader.

I wonder what will Kelly do now. Surely he can't stay in a party where the leader has a view so diametrically opposed to one he holds so passionately.
not a problem, Labour have'nt had a principle they coudn't drop in decades.
 

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Anyway Dumb Asses. Valls is running away from NeoLiberalism with great big steps. Why stop at water. Do what all criminals do and take the lot into consideration.

Water, Neoliberalism, Last Round Feminism. Cronyism, Upward only Rent, Immigration for the purposes of Cheap Labour, Nama, Bailouts for the BUDDIES (ONLY), ETB, MNC Tax, the list is endless....................

You can Easily leave SF holding the Neoliberal and last round Feminism monster.
 

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When did they back the privatisation of water ? Irish Water is a wholly owned state company.
Yeah yeah yeah, of course the intent was never to privatise the water supply and the fact that the IW contract is written as to take possession of the water on private properties and so turn it into a saleable asset was pure coincidence.

Just go away and teach your granny how to suck eggs.
 

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Totally agree. Howlin represents so much of what is wrong what Irish politics - willing to abandon every principle and policy if there are a few votes to be won.

They should have chosen Alan Kelly as their leader.

I wonder what will Kelly do now. Surely he can't stay in a party where the leader has a view so diametrically opposed to one he holds so passionately.
I'd say he's waiting his turn. Wait til you see the savagery of the media against him when and if he ever gets the gig.
 

Notachipanoaktree

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Anyway Dumb Asses. Valls is running away from NeoLiberalism with great big steps. Why stop at water. Do what all criminals do and take the lot into consideration.

Water, Neoliberalism, Last Round Feminism. Cronyism, Upward only Rent, Immigration for the purposes of Cheap Labour, Nama, Bailouts for the BUDDIES (ONLY), ETB, MNC Tax, the list is endless....................

You can Easily leave SF holding the Neoliberal and last round Feminism monster.
Go on, ye know ye want to, Confession is good the soul, or in your case sole

If yez don't then there's nowhere but the far right for us to turn to. Recent history is a good measure. Better far right than neoliberal.
 

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It was Kemmy who stopped VAT on kids shoes, while outside Labour and lost his seat in the next election ....to Labour .....
I don't particularly share Kemmys perspective ...... thats you ironically stuffing words in peoples mouths :roll: ...i do respect him as a sincere politician for whom belief trumped personal gain and who represented his constituents and stayed true to his values ...i would respect any politician from any party who did the same ....sadly they are few and far between


Like the ability of posters to accept someone can admire someone with opposing or slightly differing political views it appears .....Ho Hum
I remember that budget also. If you check the record Séan Dublin Bay Loftus voted with Kemmy on that issue but Noel Browne voted to support Fitzgerald. This whole thing about childrens shoes seems to haunt Kemmy in the mind of some would be commentators.

It was also Kemmy who was very annoyed that post 1992 his name was mentioned as a cabinet minister in the media and Spring never delivered. Because of that Kemmy was slaughtered by the media day in and day out for agonising about the tax amnesty, Appointment of Harry Whelahan, the Kilkenny Tribunal, & Brendan Smith to name just a few issues he spoke out on.

But to paraphrase Kemmy and put him in a social media context that some on P.ie might understand him better;

"There are some here who are mighty mouse with a keyboard and mickey mouse when it really counts in Leinster House"
 

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Yeah yeah yeah, of course the intent was never to privatise the water supply and the fact that the IW contract is written as to take possession of the water on private properties and so turn it into a saleable asset was pure coincidence.

Just go away and teach your granny how to suck eggs.
Thank you for confirming that Irish Water has not been privatised.
 

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