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Hypocrite Sammy Wilson slams £250 payments to low-paid education workers.


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SF's Education Minister John O'Dowd has decided to grant an extra payment of £250 to staff earning less than £21,000 per year. But Sammy Wilson, who is a double-jobber earns a salary for being both an MLA and MP at Westminster has slammed these 'handouts' to the low paid workers.

At the moment, Ireland is an a massive recession and we are all being hit in the wallet for everyday costs, many others struggle to make ends meet, others don't even don't make them meet. Sammy Wilson certainly doesn't grasp or experience the hardships many of us, including posters on this forum face. The recession is a non-sectarian event and the results of the recession has been devastating, ranging from marriage breakdowns to suicides.

O'Dowd of SF announcement that payments worth £250 are to be made to low-paid education workers before the new financial year begins next month. It will lift a little of the burden for these workers who, despite their low wage, bother their arse to get out of bed in the morning and work. O'Dowd said:

“Maybe if Sammy came down from his ivory tower once in a while he would see the devastation being caused by the recession and his inability to embrace ideas to help move the North out of recession.”

He continued:

'The people in receipt of these monies are grateful that they have a minister who lives off an average industrial wage and understands the plight they find themselves in as opposed to the huge sums that Sammy Wilson receives as minister, MLA and MP'.

Wilson described the measly £250 as a mere 'handout' and a 'disgraceful populist exercise'. But for those of us who live in reality, it will come as no shock that a party who likes to model or self-style itself as a party of the people has decided to help underpaid, low-income workers. It certainly isn't a U-turn in policy by SF. Evidence of that can be found in this thread, started by myself a while back blasting SF's policy on workers' rights.

http://www.politics.ie/forum/northern-ireland/188432-why-did-sinn-fein-vote-increase-pension-age-66-a.html

At a time when unionist politicians are being charged by the unionist proletariat that they are out of touch with the working class, surely this confirms the disfranchised within the unionist community have a valid point. Incredibly it also comes at a time when Sammy and chums have called in a recent survey for a 35% pay increase across the water. Snouts in the trough, literally.

Sammy earns £77,738 as an MP.
Sammy earns £48,000 as an MLA.

(Both before extensive expenses claimed).

The MLA number is rough, he would earn more than that as junior ministers get £19,609 on top of the basic while ministers get £37,801.
Wilson hits out at O
MPs call for, in private at least, a 32% pay rise | Politics | The Guardian
 


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Are all staff earning less than £21k getting this £250?

Is there a link to this story about the handout?

The only thing that I see of note is a quote by O'Dowd claiming his "industrial wage" is something low-income workers are pleased about. This is a silly argument given that the public purse from which low-paid workers are paid is still stripped of the entire amount. If Sinn Fein were serious about putting money into people's pockets and trying to take the moral high ground on this, they would only take the industrial wage from the limited public funds and not line their own party's pockets with the additional amount.

How does this industrial wage position of Sinn Fein ministers sit with Trade Unions anyway? Surely the Trade Unions must see them doing a job that requires a lot more intelligence and hours of work than an industrial wage? I would have thought Trade Unions were in favour of paying a fair wage for a job. An average industrial wage for a ministerial position is clearly unfair unless average industrial intelligence and average industrial hours of work are being employed at Stormont by Sinn Fein. Is this the case? Quite possibly, but it still sends out a bad message one way or the other.
 

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Sammy double jobbing on £135K,yet sticking two fingers up to the people he claims to represent.
No wonder unionism is in crisis.People should look to the greed of the likes of Wilson,instead of whinging about SF wages.
 

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Are all staff earning less than £21k getting this £250?

Is there a link to this story about the handout?

The only thing that I see of note is a quote by O'Dowd claiming his "industrial wage" is something low-income workers are pleased about. This is a silly argument given that the public purse from which low-paid workers are paid is still stripped of the entire amount. If Sinn Fein were serious about putting money into people's pockets and trying to take the moral high ground on this, they would only take the industrial wage from the limited public funds and not line their own party's pockets with the additional amount.

How does this industrial wage position of Sinn Fein ministers sit with Trade Unions anyway? Surely the Trade Unions must see them doing a job that requires a lot more intelligence and hours of work than an industrial wage? I would have thought Trade Unions were in favour of paying a fair wage for a job. An average industrial wage for a ministerial position is clearly unfair unless average industrial intelligence and average industrial hours of work are being employed at Stormont by Sinn Fein. Is this the case? Quite possibly, but it still sends out a bad message one way or the other.
Firstly, we know Sinn Féin aren't Marxist, or indeed Socalist in the puritan sence, Sinn Féin employ low earning workers on an industrial wage from the excess so their success creates jobs and esteem, this in turn is an investment in their own electoral machine which earns the party more money. It's ridiculous to think these people will bite the hand that feeds them over a few educational cuts to infrastructure that might keep low paid workers in a job being productive rather than claiming the dole, which is another investment in Sinn Féin PLC, it may be a bit populist and a bit parish pump, but what party doesn't do that?

Secondly, I don't think any trade union is complaining about John O'Dowd being underpaid, but we do see a major Tory complaining about people being overpaid into "aspiration alienation". Oh what would Hayek, von Miles and Freidmann think?

BBC News - Heseltine questions 'national will to improve economy'

"There is no God-given rule saying you've got to have a well-performing economy. It could be an indifferent economy. It's a question of whether the national will is there; whether we want it. And the richer you get the less imperative there is."
 
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Odd how right wingers constantly bang on about leaving bankers and tax dodging forms alone because, well, these people don't work for the love of it. At the same time, these loons are happy to see a massive drop in the real living standards of the truly dedicated workers in our schools and hospitals.

£250 is buttons but it shows our appreciation for what these people do day in and day out. Anyone with a child knows that these people work beyond their pay grade, motivated by an interest in your child.
 
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A wee bit of perspective need here!
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Lloyds confirms 25 staff paid over a million pounds...annual report just out
 

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Firstly, we know Sinn Féin aren't Marxist, or indeed Socalist in the puritan sence, Sinn Féin employ low earning workers on an industrial wage from the excess so their success creates jobs and esteem, this in turn is an investment in their own electoral machine which earns the party more money. It's ridiculous to think these people will bite the hand that feeds them over a few educational cuts to infrastructure that might keep low paid workers in a job being productive rather than claiming the dole, which is another investment in Sinn Féin PLC, it may be a bit populist and a bit parish pump, but what party doesn't do that?

Secondly, I don't think any trade union is complaining about John O'Dowd being underpaid, but we do see a major Tory complaining about people being overpaid into "aspiration alienation". Oh what would Hayek, von Miles and Freidmann think?

BBC News - Heseltine questions 'national will to improve economy'
This very morning, we have the long time tax dodging Philip Green giving off about immigrants coming and using our services. That's the same immigrants that, vastly for the most, come here and work hard, paying taxes unlike Green.
 

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This very morning, we have the long time tax dodging Philip Green giving off about immigrants coming and using our services. That's the same immigrants that, vastly for the most, come here and work hard, paying taxes unlike Green.
Personally, I don't think Philip Green is electable should he want to get out of the clothing business, I doubt even Tory diehards would want him to speak on behalf of the party.
 

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Personally, I don't think Philip Green is electable should he want to get out of the clothing business, I doubt even Tory diehards would want him to speak on behalf of the party.
You'd be surprised at how those Home Counties people vote, they did vote Boris in and many of them want him for PM. Hopefully, Eddie Mair put an end to that nightmare yesterday
 

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You'd be surprised at how those Home Counties people vote, they did vote Boris in and many of them want him for PM. Hopefully, Eddie Mair put an end to that nightmare yesterday
I suppose Green keeps some of his own low paid workers in jobs, and that might buy him some support, however I would say that Boris, speaking to the few Londoners I know, does get even a few ideological left wing votes for his buffoonery. Not sure what sort of example that shows for the tribalism in London voting behaviour. Boris does seem to have some sort of passion for politics but I doubt Green really does.
 
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Sammy double jobbing on £135K,yet sticking two fingers up to the people he claims to represent.
No wonder unionism is in crisis.People should look to the greed of the likes of Wilson,instead of whinging about SF wages.
Nobody is whinging about SF politicians' wages, they get exactly the same wages as Sammy Wilson but pretend they're somehow on higher moral ground because the SF party takes its cut.
 
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Odd how right wingers constantly bang on about leaving bankers and tax dodging forms alone because, well, these people don't work for the love of it. At the same time, these loons are happy to see a massive drop in the real living standards of the truly dedicated workers in our schools and hospitals.
Which right wingers are you talking about? Which loons are happy to see a massive drop in real living standards? And are all school and hospital workers truly dedicated?

£250 is buttons but it shows our appreciation for what these people do day in and day out. Anyone with a child knows that these people work beyond their pay grade, motivated by an interest in your child.
I have two children in primary school. Many of their teachers have been far from dedicated and I would suggest many are lazy and overpaid. My son has spent the last two years in a temporary classroom because the SF minister deemed the school's viability to be somehow uncertain. This is a school for P4-7 with over 900 children in it which turns pupils away because of overscription!! Maybe my child might have a fit for purpose classroom if education was given priority with proper planning to ensure money is spent on education rather than socialistic handouts as an excuse to under spending an education buidget.
 

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Nobody is whinging about SF politicians' wages, they get exactly the same wages as Sammy Wilson but pretend they're somehow on higher moral ground because the SF party takes its cut.
I'd be surprised if anyone but Martin McGuinness had the same cumulative 'earnings' as Sammy Wilson, within Sinn Féin, don't forget Sammy's an Executive minister, MLA and an MP.
 

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Which right wingers are you talking about? Which loons are happy to see a massive drop in real living standards? And are all school and hospital workers truly dedicated?

I have two children in primary school. Many of their teachers have been far from dedicated and I would suggest many are lazy and overpaid. My son has spent the last two years in a temporary classroom because the SF minister deemed the school's viability to be somehow uncertain. This is a school for P4-7 with over 900 children in it which turns pupils away because of overscription!! Maybe my child might have a fit for purpose classroom if education was given priority with proper planning to ensure money is spent on education rather than socialistic handouts as an excuse to under spending an education budget.
With all due respect, this issue is not about teachers who will be subject to an effective paydrop with respect to inflation under O'Dowd's tenure, this is about cafeteria workers, technicians and janitors having to pay rising bills.
 

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I'd be surprised if anyone but Martin McGuinness had the same cumulative 'earnings' as Sammy Wilson, within Sinn Féin, don't forget Sammy's an Executive minister, MLA and an MP.
Does interest from a Bulgarian bank ,count as "earnings"?
 

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With all due respect, this issue is not about teachers who will be subject to an effective paydrop with respect to inflation under O'Dowd's tenure, this is about cafeteria workers, technicians and janitors having to pay rising bills.
Do "cafeteria workers,technicians and janitors" in the private sector not have exactly the same problesms to deal with? They have to deal with them with no "full wage" sick pay or cushy pensions to look foreward to either.
 

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Which right wingers are you talking about? Which loons are happy to see a massive drop in real living standards? And are all school and hospital workers truly dedicated?



I have two children in primary school. Many of their teachers have been far from dedicated and I would suggest many are lazy and overpaid. My son has spent the last two years in a temporary classroom because the SF minister deemed the school's viability to be somehow uncertain. This is a school for P4-7 with over 900 children in it which turns pupils away because of overscription!! Maybe my child might have a fit for purpose classroom if education was given priority with proper planning to ensure money is spent on education rather than socialistic handouts as an excuse to under spending an education buidget.
Well, I'll start at the very top, David Cameron, a man who bangs on about bankers leaving the country and has issues with highly qualified people with years of experience in their .profession getting paid more than he. A man who worked just a few months in PR many, many years ago.

Under performing teachers should be addressed via the school governors and head teacher.

For part of my school years I was taught in a crumbling school with striking prefabs around it. So what?
 

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