Hysteria in the Media

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Two related questions. (1) Why are there so many outbursts of Hysteria these days and (2) why are certain types of vile behaviour completely exempt from this Hysteria?

One the one hand you have the criticism of Doctor Michael Neary who is being turned into a monster of iniquity even though for years his colleagues, nurses, administrators and patients saw nothing wrong with his work. The judge who investigated the case said that he had an exaggerated fear of excess bleeding after operations and was too quick to resort to the ultimate option. This is a bit like a major accident that is caused by a series of blunders that no one copped on to while they were happening. Why the disgusting demonisation of the man?

On the other hand consider the case of former nun Nora Wall who was convicted in June 1999 of raping a child. Again the news coverage was vicious. "Vile Nun", "Pervert Nun", "I Was Raped by Anti-Christ". It quickly emerged that both the accuser and her "witness" had previously made a series of allegations against several other people and that this fact had been concealed from the defence. (After the trial one of their previous victims recognised the name of the "witness" in a newspaper report and contacted Nora Wall's family). The case collapsed and media comment ceased very quickly. There were no attacks on the false accusers!!

But perhaps this was because Regina Walsh and Patricia Phelan were not household names? Well neither was Doctor Neary for that matter - and, unlike Nora Wall's accusers, he was not acting maliciously.

In any case some well known figures in Ireland have acted viciously without being savaged by the media pack.

For example John Cooney published his biography of John Charles McQuaid about the time of the Nora Wall controversy. Cooney's claim that the late Archbishop was a homosexual paedophile was not supported by a single historian or responsible journalist. Yet all he got was a light rap on the knuckles - and he was subsequently appointed Religious Affairs correspondent of the Irish Independent!

Imagine the uproar if a Catholic author claimed that a previous Chief Rabbi of Ireland was a paedophile!

Hysteria in Ireland is largely sexual hysteria and it is created and manipulated by the media. It is directed at people whom the media wants to be hated and those whom it loves are exempt (e.g. left wing journalists and politicians no matter how badly they behave.)
 


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Kilbarry1 said:
Hysteria in Ireland is largely sexual hysteria and it is created and manipulated by the media. It is directed at people whom the media wants to be hated and those whom it loves are exempt (e.g. left wing journalists and politicians no matter how badly they behave.)
Would largely agree.

Emmet Stagg being one case in point.

The well known journalist who is a frequent coke-user being another.
 

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Well the problem with a lot of media is that they are capitalist enterprises... They need to make profits and they benefit from such hysteria... The more they sell the more profits they make...

So its no surprise that since America declared war on a few defenseless countries we started seeing news agencies like CNN becoming clones of FOX News... Hysteria helps sell more so be it... It is however interesting to note that such hysteria taps into the stereotypes that exist in the society before hand... The Media can be crucial in building attitudes in the masses as well but generally they dont experiment with things...
 

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I think tommy sums up the media best :D

[youtube:3efodw80]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MdsmRGOR1jc[/youtube:3efodw80]
 

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The media can't exist in a vaccum. Whereas in the past the media could survive by holding the State to account, the modern media cannot survive unless it continually promotes the idea that the State is on the brink of collapse. The media no longer sells 'news'; it sells popular reassurance that everything is somebody else's fault.

What is perhaps most ironic is that people's regard for the media remains undiminshed. Most people will still take the view of a journalist over the view of a politician, despite the fact that the journalist is clearly been paid to sow discontent, while the politician is democratically elected.

This is changing slowly. More and more people are beginning to see that the media is self-serving, money driven oligarchy. Whether the media can and will adapt to this is another matter.
 

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The following is an extract from the Australian media about a SCHOOL newspaper that was heavily criticised by the NATIONAL PRESS because a teacher made a joke about Penthouse. One small advantage of this hysterical outburst is that no Australian teacher will ever again tell a joke to his students - unless it's one that would not have offended Doris Day. Teachers' jokes were seldom funny anyway!

On a more serious note: I was a student for many years at schools run by religious - including a boarding school- and I never came across this kind of lunacy.

School Newsletter Had Penthouse As Recommended Reading from Huliq News, 28 August 2008
http://www.huliq.com/5/67100/school-new ... ed-reading

............ The school at the center of child-sex allegations, St Stanislaus College in Bathurst, New South Wales, Australia has removed a newsletter recommending Penthouse magazine as recommended reading for teenage boys. On the schools website, the newsletter has been replaced by a copy which omits these comments.

In the same newsletter, principal of the college John Edwards informs the school community that The Daily Telegraph had contacted him regarding sex abuse allegations.

The controversial comments were made by Ian MacDougall, a HSIE teacher. When asked what book he recommends every teenage boy read, he responded "Besides 'PeCENSOREDse' - any book that stirs the imagination/concious".

A parent who does not wish to be named told Wikinews she took the comment to mean Penthouse magazine. She said the newsletter was given to her sons on Friday and when she read it she raised concerns with the school. The newsletter was changed on the school's website after concerns were raised. The parent said she was considering enrolling her sons at a public school following the incident. "It makes you wonder how much truth there is to the allegations when you have a teacher recommending students read an adult magazine," said the concerned parent.

The schools principal John Edwards told Wikinews that the newsletter was changed after Mr. MacDougall's answer was "widely interpreted to mean a girl magazine". Mr Edwards said he deemed the original comments "unacceptable".

When questioned by Wikinews on whether or not the article was recommending Penthouse, he said that the question was completed before the staff member went on long-service leave [!!] . The principal said the original version of the questions listed 'peCENSORED' and later had 'se' added to the end as "humour". He said after feedback from the comments, the version was replaced on the schools website.
 

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Kilbarry1 Wrote:
I was a student for many years at schools run by religious - including a boarding school- and I never came across this kind of lunacy.
What a sheltered upbringing you must have had! Are you including your time in the seminary when you say you were a "student for many years" ?

And what kind of "lunacy" did you come across in the seminary - was it of the Ledwith kind:

Ledwith was nominated to be President of St. Patrick's by the then Bishop of Ferns, Dr. Brendan Comiskey. Comiskey resigned in disgrace on account of sex abuse cases in his constituency, and Ledwith paid compensation in 2002 for allegedly abusing a child.
Ledwith was appointed during the tenure of Tomás Cardinal O'Fiaich Primate of All Ireland and Archbishop of Armagh, himself a former President of the College who had served Ledwith on the College staff until his appointment to Armagh in 1977. Ledwith was also supported by O'Fiach's successor, Cahal Cardinal Daly, who having been a Bishop since 1967 was well-versed with his career at the College. Ledwith was regularly spoken of as a future bishop and indeed Archbishop of Dublin especially in 1988 when Cardinal Desmond Connell was appointed.
Seems to me there's not enough 'hysteria' in the media!
 

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Kilbarry1 Wrote:
Imagine the uproar if a Catholic author claimed that a previous Chief Rabbi of Ireland was a paedophile!

Hysteria in Ireland is largely sexual hysteria and it is created and manipulated by the media. It is directed at people whom the media wants to be hated and those whom it loves are exempt (e.g. left wing journalists and politicians no matter how badly they behave.)
You must have missed this story: New York Daily News

Kilbarry1 Wrote:
Hysteria in Ireland is largely sexual hysteria and it is created and manipulated by the media. It is directed at people whom the media wants to be hated and those whom it loves are exempt (e.g. left wing journalists and politicians no matter how badly they behave.)
I suppose you'll be adding bankers and dodgy developers to your list of those whom you claim the media wants to be hated!
 

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Child Killing Witch-hunts in Jersey and Ireland

A £4million investigation into possible child murders at a care home in the Channel Island of Jersey was totally discredited today as police revealed it was based on tainted evidence. The farcical nature of the high-profile investigation at Haut de la Garenne became apparent when the island's police chief, Graham Power, was suspended.

Fears of mass murder and unspeakable child torture first came to light when deputy police chief LENNY HARPER told the world's media that 'at least' six children had been killed at the home. He had claimed that a child's skull had been exhumed from secret torture chambers under the building and this claim created a world-wide sensation. (The "skull turned out to be a piece of coconut shell.)

However, in a press conference today the new team in charge dismissed suggestions, made by Lenny Harper last February, that children could have been murdered or tortured at the care home.

They revealed that 'human remains' found at the former home were almost all animal bones and that only three might be human. These dated back hundreds of years before the home was built.

LENNY HARPER IS FROM DERY and it's quite likely that the Jersey hysteria originated in Ireland. Between 1999 and 2004 we had a large number of allegations that children had been killed in industrial schools run by the Christian Brothers. These included accusations in a major Sunday Newspaper of mass killing ('a Holocaust') at Letterfrack in Co. Galway. Not a single claim has proved to be correct. This is not surprising as several relate to periods when no child died of ANY cause. (I call these 'Murder of the Undead' or "Victimless Murder" allegations).

The child killing allegations were not made by isolated nutcases but by major newspapers and by leading members of child abuse organisations. They have now ceased but the people responsible have not been called to account. (The journalists who created the hysteria have no intention of repenting.)

Jersey is between the UK and France but neither country has seen this type of of witch-hunt before. What is happening in Jersey looks like a repeat of our IRISH witch-hunt.

At least in Jersey the people responsible ARE being called to account.
 
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Two related questions. (1) Why are there so many outbursts of Hysteria these days and (2) why are certain types of vile behaviour completely exempt from this Hysteria?

One the one hand you have the criticism of Doctor Michael Neary who is being turned into a monster of iniquity even though for years his colleagues, nurses, administrators and patients saw nothing wrong with his work. The judge who investigated the case said that he had an exaggerated fear of excess bleeding after operations and was too quick to resort to the ultimate option. This is a bit like a major accident that is caused by a series of blunders that no one copped on to while they were happening. Why the disgusting demonisation of the man?

On the other hand consider the case of former nun Nora Wall who was convicted in June 1999 of raping a child. Again the news coverage was vicious. "Vile Nun", "Pervert Nun", "I Was Raped by Anti-Christ". It quickly emerged that both the accuser and her "witness" had previously made a series of allegations against several other people and that this fact had been concealed from the defence. (After the trial one of their previous victims recognised the name of the "witness" in a newspaper report and contacted Nora Wall's family). The case collapsed and media comment ceased very quickly. There were no attacks on the false accusers!!

But perhaps this was because Regina Walsh and Patricia Phelan were not household names? Well neither was Doctor Neary for that matter - and, unlike Nora Wall's accusers, he was not acting maliciously.

In any case some well known figures in Ireland have acted viciously without being savaged by the media pack.

For example John Cooney published his biography of John Charles McQuaid about the time of the Nora Wall controversy. Cooney's claim that the late Archbishop was a homosexual paedophile was not supported by a single historian or responsible journalist. Yet all he got was a light rap on the knuckles - and he was subsequently appointed Religious Affairs correspondent of the Irish Independent!

Imagine the uproar if a Catholic author claimed that a previous Chief Rabbi of Ireland was a paedophile!

Hysteria in Ireland is largely sexual hysteria and it is created and manipulated by the media. It is directed at people whom the media wants to be hated and those whom it loves are exempt (e.g. left wing journalists and politicians no matter how badly they behave.)
Oh look. Deja vu time. This post is back again.

Michael Neary - check

Nora Wall - check

John Cooney - check.

Chief Rabbi - check.

Yup. The same one again.

Why every few months to you keep reposting the same post on a new thread? Could you not re-open the old one??? Or so you think that when you use a new name those of us who have read the exact same post won't cop on that it is still you? :eek:
 

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Jersey and Ireland

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The name I normally use is Kilbarry1 - on this and other forums. I don't have another pen name. My latest post does NOT mention Nora Wall, John Cooney, Michael Neary etc. I DID re-open the old thread. What on earth are you talking about?
 

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Two related questions. (1) Why are there so many outbursts of Hysteria these days and (2) why are certain types of vile behaviour completely exempt from this Hysteria?

One the one hand you have the criticism of Doctor Michael Neary who is being turned into a monster of iniquity even though for years his colleagues, nurses, administrators and patients saw nothing wrong with his work. The judge who investigated the case said that he had an exaggerated fear of excess bleeding after operations and was too quick to resort to the ultimate option. This is a bit like a major accident that is caused by a series of blunders that no one copped on to while they were happening. Why the disgusting demonisation of the man?

On the other hand consider the case of former nun Nora Wall who was convicted in June 1999 of raping a child. Again the news coverage was vicious. "Vile Nun", "Pervert Nun", "I Was Raped by Anti-Christ". It quickly emerged that both the accuser and her "witness" had previously made a series of allegations against several other people and that this fact had been concealed from the defence. (After the trial one of their previous victims recognised the name of the "witness" in a newspaper report and contacted Nora Wall's family). The case collapsed and media comment ceased very quickly. There were no attacks on the false accusers!!

But perhaps this was because Regina Walsh and Patricia Phelan were not household names? Well neither was Doctor Neary for that matter - and, unlike Nora Wall's accusers, he was not acting maliciously.

In any case some well known figures in Ireland have acted viciously without being savaged by the media pack.

For example John Cooney published his biography of John Charles McQuaid about the time of the Nora Wall controversy. Cooney's claim that the late Archbishop was a homosexual paedophile was not supported by a single historian or responsible journalist. Yet all he got was a light rap on the knuckles - and he was subsequently appointed Religious Affairs correspondent of the Irish Independent!

Imagine the uproar if a Catholic author claimed that a previous Chief Rabbi of Ireland was a paedophile!

Hysteria in Ireland is largely sexual hysteria and it is created and manipulated by the media. It is directed at people whom the media wants to be hated and those whom it loves are exempt (e.g. left wing journalists and politicians no matter how badly they behave.)
I entirely agree with everything in this post.
 

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Bishop of Cloyne and Sex Allegations

There are numerous articles in the 3 main dailies today about the alleged failure of the Bishop of Cloyne (Co. Cork) John Magee to deal properly with allegations of child abuse made against two priests. Only one article in one paper (Irish Examiner) mentions that the Director of Public Prosecutions returned the files on both priests with a direction NOT to prosecute.

The following is an extract from the article by Eoin English.

DPP Was Sent 4 files On Priests But No Charges Brought http://www.irishexaminer.com/irishexaminer/pages/story.aspx-qqqg=ireland-qqqm=ireland-qqqa=ireland-qqqid=80522-qqqx=1.a

"DESPITE extensive Garda probes, the Director of Public Prosecutions (DPP) decided that two priests in the Cloyne diocese accused of child abuse should not face criminal charges.

Gardaí confirmed that “full and thorough” investigations were carried out into each of the allegations levelled against Fr A and Fr B, both priests in the Cloyne diocese.

But after examining one substantial Garda file in relation to Fr A and three files in relation to Fr B, the DPP directed that neither priest should face criminal prosecution. .......

Supt McCarthy said each of the allegations relating to both priests were investigated “fully and thoroughly”.

“Substantial and comprehensive Garda files were prepared. We took the investigations as far as possible and all possible evidence was gathered,” he said.

A single Garda file in relation to Fr A was forwarded to the DPP in November 2006 but the DPP directed in February 2007 that no prosecution should follow.

Three substantial files relating to allegations against Fr B were forwarded to the DPP some time later and in each of the cases, the DPP directed that no prosecution should follow.

Supt McCarthy confirmed that there are no current investigations relating to alleged child abuse by priests in the Cloyne diocese."

The Irish Examiner gives by far the most publicity to the case - about 7 articles spread throughout the paper including a very long Editorial that calls for the Bishop's resignation. The Editorial does not mention the decision of the DPP but at least it is elsewhere in the paper. However the Irish Times says nothing at all about the DPP's decision.

So much for the "Paper of Record"!
 

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Bishop of Cloyne and Sex Allegations

My link to the article in the Examiner today 20 December
DPP Was Sent 4 files On Priests But No Charges Brought
Irish Examiner | Irish News | News from Ireland

did not work so I have tried it again.

Apart from the decision of the DPP NOT to bring charges against the two priests there is another factor. It appears from the media reports that neither complainant wanted to go to the Gardai. Bishop Magee is savagely criticised because he did not immediately report the allegations to the police IN DEFIANCE OF THEIR WISHES.

There is an ethical problem here but the practical one is even more important. If a complainant knows that he cannot speak privately to a Bishop (or Teacher, Doctor or Social Worker) without the latter making a beeline for the Garda station, why should he speak to them in the first place? Either he goes immediately to the Gardai or he keeps quiet about his allegations.

Nobody is helped by this kind of media hysteria.
 

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Vigilantes Hit Home of Child Porn Accused

This article in the Evening Herald shows how our society is spinning out of control.

Vigilantes hit home of child porn accused - National News, Frontpage - Herald.ie

"VIGILANTES have attacked the home of a Dublin man accused of possession of child pornography, after they learned of the allegations against him.

A mob descended on the man's home after finding out he had been charged with accessing hundreds of images.

Slogans were daubed on his front door and gardai were called out after a loud, late-night disturbance.

Neighbours have spoken of their terror at the actions of the vigilantes and anger at the gardai for not warning them of the allegations.

The man is facing a single charge under the Child Trafficking and Pornography Act and no allegation against him has yet been proven. ...........

Ireland's anti-child pornography legislation is among the most stringent in the world. Under the Act, the possession, distribution, importation and exportation or sale of all forms of child pornography are offences with penalties of up to 14 years imprisonment.

Possession alone can be punishable by sentences of up to five years in jail."

The Presumption of Innocence has gone out the window where child abuse is concerned. On the other hand people who are KNOWN to have made false allegations get away scot free - like the two accusers of Nora Wall or the journalist who is widely acknowledged to have made false allegations against a former Archbishop of Dublin. This gentleman is now Religious Affairs correspondent of the Irish Independent having previously held a similar post in the Irish Times.

The media have created this hysteria and they don't turn on their own!
 

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Here's more hysteria for you Kilbarry

The 61-year-old, who is married with five grown up children, left the Christian Brothers the following year in March 1970. Fergal Rooney, senior psychologist at the Granada Institute, told the court that Drummond was just 14 when he joined the Christian Brothers, and at 16 he was introduced to the practice of self-flagellation and public confession. Drummond] had himself as a child joined an organisation that “seemed to be quite inadequate when it came to matters of sexuality”.Source - November 2009
This is in the same time-line as your own sojourn in the Christian Brothers Kilbarry and I'm wondering if you agree that the organisation you joined at that time forced youths to flagellate themselves in order to rid themselves of natural sexual urges?

And is the Irish Times remiss in devoting 5 paragraphs to a story concerning 36 different charges of sexual violence against schoolchildren and mentioning that 19 children were defiled ?

What headline, do you think, would be the most appropriate for this story in order to avoid charges from yourself (and others) of MEDIA HYSTERIA ??

Former Brother abused 19 schoolboys

Guilty man to be sentenced later

?
 

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Newsweek Magazine Repeats Discredited Lunacy about Child Killings in Jersey Institution

Child Abuse Inquiry on Top Tax Shelter Jersey Island Delayed Again

In 2008, police unearthed the remains of at least 10 children, ages 6 to 12 years old, under a shuttered residential care home, on the island of Jersey—a territory of the British Crown, off the coast of France. [My emphasis]

Since then, the scandal has roiled the island, as survivors and activists have clashed with Jersey’s government to find out why hundreds of children who reported being subjected to sexual and violent attacks by more than 150 alleged abusers for decades went largely ignored. Many of the accused are still alive and among the island’s top officials and business leaders, yet the vast majority have never been investigated or punished. ..


NO bodies of murdered children were discovered in 2008. A lot of animal bones, a fw human bones dating back hundreds of years AND the "fragment of child's skull" that sparked the 6 month police dig was found to be a fragment of Victorian coco-nut! It's not the only nutty aspect of this case. The recent (6 April 2017) Newsweek article continues

Those accused include British disc jockey Jimmy Savile and, more recently, former U.K. Prime Minister Ted Heath. Both men, now deceased, were fond of traveling to Jersey and inviting orphaned children on sailboat rides. A few of the island’s residents who witnessed these rides have reported some of the children never returned. ....

And the piece de resistence

...Many reported being taken as children onto boats and yachts into international waters, where they were raped. Children who resisted or tried to get help reported being drugged, put into solitary confinement or sent to the local mental hospital or subjected to further violence. Some reported witnessing kids commit suicide at places like Haut de la Garenne. One survivor who published a book about his time at Haut de la Garenne says he witnessed another child (who was trying to fight off his abuser) boiled alive....

The American weekly "Newsweek" was never regarded as a highly intellectual journal but it would certainly have been seen as respectable. On the other hand the Irish Times has also published articles about child murders by the Christian Brothers in Artane at times when no child died of ANY cause! This is the same kind of tripe now published by the more down-market Newsweek. "A fish rots from the head" is a saying about a decadent upper class who then corrupt the rest of society and it's relevant about the media also!
 
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Newsweek Magazine Repeats Discredited Lunacy about Child Killings in Jersey Institution [2]

......The American weekly "Newsweek" was never regarded as a highly intellectual journal but it would certainly have been seen as respectable. On the other hand the Irish Times has also published articles about child murders by the Christian Brothers in Artane at times when no child died of ANY cause! This is the same kind of tripe now published by the more down-market Newsweek. "A fish rots from the head" is a saying about a decadent upper class who then corrupt the rest of society and it's relevant about the media also!
And the craziest thing is that an article that claims that children were murdered, boiled alive and/or raped and then drowned by a former British Prime Minister is entitled:
CHILD ABUSE INQUIRY ON TOP TAX SHELTER JERSEY ISLAND DELAYED AGAIN

Does this journalist Leah McGrath Goodman believe what she has written? Did she read what Newsweek published or did a sub-editor insert the child-murder bits into an article she wrote about a tax-shelter?

Did the Religious Affairs correspondent of the Irish Times believe the child-killing article he wrote which ALSO contained no names of deceased children?
 
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That's not the half of it. What about the climate change hysteria in which each passing month is the hottest on record, but we're still frozen with the cold for 6 months of the year?
 

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Man Helping Lost Toddler Was Smeared Online as a Predator

There are over 1,300 comments following this Washington Post story
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/morning-mix/wp/2017/06/27/a-man-helped-a-lost-toddler-find-her-parents-police-say-he-was-smeared-online-as-a-predator-and-fled-town/?tid=a_inl&utm_term=.f14fdb8e36ec

A man helped a lost toddler find her parents, police say. He was smeared online as a predator and fled town.

...A man trying to help a lost toddler find her parents was misidentified as a kidnapper on social media over the weekend, according to police in Lakeland, Florida., prompting him to leave town in fear for his safety and the safety of his family. The man was also punched by the child’s father who told local media that he “thought he was trying to take my daughter” and “wanted to kill him.”.......

The good Samaritan told several local outlets that he has now left town with his family for their safety. He says he will not press charges against the father. The father made no apologies for his actions but told The Post, “All that matters is that my daughter is home safely.”...


There were 2 cases reported in Ireland recently - in counties Kildare and Kerry where innocent people were targeted by a mob. In the Kildare case, the woman responsible also refused to apologise. This kind of lunacy means that people will be very reluctant to help a child in distress or lost.
 


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