I accept collective responsibility for IRA deaths - Ferris

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A discussion on Politics.ie yesterday about Martin Ferris's appearce on The Political Party (tv3) led to a reference to him as a murderer, the basis being, that as he was convicted of gun running, that he should then be held responsible (if even partially) based on the assumption some of those guns may have been used to kill people.

This morning's Irish Independent covers this very point.

SINN Fein's Martin Ferris said he accepted "collective responsibility" for all deaths attributed to the IRA. The Kerry TD was asked on TV3's 'The Political Party' last night if he had killed people. "I'm not going to comment whether I did or not. I will take collective responsibility for every person the IRA were responsible for killing during the period of the last 30 years," he said.

Is 'collective' responsibility still responsibility?
 


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David Cochrane said:
A discussion on Politics.ie yesterday about Martin Ferris's appearce on The Political Party (tv3) led to a reference to him as a murderer, the basis being, that as he was convicted of gun running, that he should then be held responsible (if even partially) based on the assumption some of those guns may have been used to kill people.

This morning's Irish Independent covers this very point.

SINN Fein's Martin Ferris said he accepted "collective responsibility" for all deaths attributed to the IRA. The Kerry TD was asked on TV3's 'The Political Party' last night if he had killed people. "I'm not going to comment whether I did or not. I will take collective responsibility for every person the IRA were responsible for killing during the period of the last 30 years," he said.

Is 'collective' responsibility still responsibility?
He was probably speaking on behalf of his Army and Party, which doesn't mean that he personally was responsable but still shows that his "collective" which includes himself were responsable. Yes it is responsability-In my opinion anyway...
 

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If he accepts responsibilty, is it justified then to call him a murderer?
 
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Dee Four said:
If he accepts responsibilty, is it justified then to call him a murderer?
You see, thats where the word "Collective" comes into play. You can call his group murderers, though I don't think they are personally, but you can't call him a murderer personally.
 

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Re: I accept collective responsibility for IRA deaths - Ferr

David Cochrane said:
A discussion on Politics.ie yesterday about Martin Ferris's appearce on The Political Party (tv3) led to a reference to him as a murderer, the basis being, that as he was convicted of gun running, that he should then be held responsible (if even partially) based on the assumption some of those guns may have been used to kill people.

This morning's Irish Independent covers this very point.

SINN Fein's Martin Ferris said he accepted "collective responsibility" for all deaths attributed to the IRA. The Kerry TD was asked on TV3's 'The Political Party' last night if he had killed people. "I'm not going to comment whether I did or not. I will take collective responsibility for every person the IRA were responsible for killing during the period of the last 30 years," he said.

Is 'collective' responsibility still responsibility?
Yes, hang him, and hang all Republican voters in the US for their responsibility for Iraqi bloodshed.
 

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Norfolk Enchants,

Norfolk Enchants said:
[quote="David Cochrane":289zt749]A discussion on Politics.ie yesterday about Martin Ferris's appearce on The Political Party (tv3) led to a reference to him as a murderer, the basis being, that as he was convicted of gun running, that he should then be held responsible (if even partially) based on the assumption some of those guns may have been used to kill people.

This morning's Irish Independent covers this very point.

SINN Fein's Martin Ferris said he accepted "collective responsibility" for all deaths attributed to the IRA. The Kerry TD was asked on TV3's 'The Political Party' last night if he had killed people. "I'm not going to comment whether I did or not. I will take collective responsibility for every person the IRA were responsible for killing during the period of the last 30 years," he said.

Is 'collective' responsibility still responsibility?
Yes, hang him, and hang all Republican voters in the US for their responsibility for Iraqi bloodshed.[/quote:289zt749]

Excellent point but why stop there why not hang Blair for England's role also. They are a collective force! Oh heck while we are collectively hanging people lets go ahead and hang the Queen and her little boys for the collusion. We can knock out all the birds with just one toss of the stone!
 

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Seabird said:
Excellent point but why stop there why not hang Blair for England's role also. They are a collective force! Oh heck while we are collectively hanging people lets go ahead and hang the Queen and her little boys for the collusion. We can knock out all the birds with just one toss of the stone!
Oo! Oo! Oo! Can we please?! :D :D :D :D
 

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coconut,

Back coconut back, not yet :!: :lol:
 

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Re: I accept collective responsibility for IRA deaths - Ferr

David Cochrane said:
A discussion on Politics.ie yesterday about Martin Ferris's appearce on The Political Party (tv3) led to a reference to him as a murderer, the basis being, that as he was convicted of gun running, that he should then be held responsible (if even partially) based on the assumption some of those guns may have been used to kill people.
:oops: Had they made it to shore and into the hand of ASUs, that is
 

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merle haggard said:
someone very high up scuppered that one . I wonder who ? :roll:
Sean o Callaghan did.
 

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What a classic quote in merles sig :lol:
 

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Sinn Féin TD Martin Ferris is expected to act as a character witness for a former IRA member who is appealing a decision by gardai to refuse him a licence for a firearm.

Former IRA member Angelo Fusco is appealing the decision

Fusco was accompanied to court in Co Kerry yesterday by Sinn Féin TD Martin Ferris who is expected to be a character witness on his behalf.

The matter, which had been adjourned, came before Tralee District Court, and was set for hearing in what was expected to be a full contest.

At least four character witnesses were to be called, Fusco's solicitor Padraig O'Connell told Judge James O'Connor.

The Sinn Féin TD Martin Ferris accompanied Fusco along with Tralee businessman Eddie Barrett, and family members of Fusco.

Fusco (59), of Knocknacaska, Kilflynn, Tralee, is appealing a decision of Supt James O'Connor given on April 8 last, to refuse to grant him a firearms certificate in respect of a Baikal Shotgun Serial No 119316, according to the notice of appeal, which was signed by Fusco and lodged in the District Court in Tralee.

After being told yesterday by State solicitor Aidan Judge that the matter would take some hours, Judge James O'Connor said it would require a special day and adjourned the matter to a civil court day in October.

There will be a full appeal against the decision, Mr O'Connell stated.

Fusco was one of eight men who broke out of Crumlin Road prison in Belfast in 1981.

Days later Fusco, along with Paul Patrick Magee and Robert Campbell, were convicted in their absence for their part in the murder of Richard Westmacott.
 

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Sinn Féin TD Martin Ferris is expected to act as a character witness for a former IRA member who is appealing a decision by gardai to refuse him a licence for a firearm.

Former IRA member Angelo Fusco is appealing the decision

Fusco was accompanied to court in Co Kerry yesterday by Sinn Féin TD Martin Ferris who is expected to be a character witness on his behalf.

The matter, which had been adjourned, came before Tralee District Court, and was set for hearing in what was expected to be a full contest.

At least four character witnesses were to be called, Fusco's solicitor Padraig O'Connell told Judge James O'Connor.

The Sinn Féin TD Martin Ferris accompanied Fusco along with Tralee businessman Eddie Barrett, and family members of Fusco.

Fusco (59), of Knocknacaska, Kilflynn, Tralee, is appealing a decision of Supt James O'Connor given on April 8 last, to refuse to grant him a firearms certificate in respect of a Baikal Shotgun Serial No 119316, according to the notice of appeal, which was signed by Fusco and lodged in the District Court in Tralee.

After being told yesterday by State solicitor Aidan Judge that the matter would take some hours, Judge James O'Connor said it would require a special day and adjourned the matter to a civil court day in October.

There will be a full appeal against the decision, Mr O'Connell stated.

Fusco was one of eight men who broke out of Crumlin Road prison in Belfast in 1981.

Days later Fusco, along with Paul Patrick Magee and Robert Campbell, were convicted in their absence for their part in the murder of Richard Westmacott.
Good man johnny, a 10 year old thread.
Well done you.
Take your head up off the ground.
 

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A discussion on Politics.ie yesterday about Martin Ferris's appearce on The Political Party (tv3) led to a reference to him as a murderer, the basis being, that as he was convicted of gun running, that he should then be held responsible (if even partially) based on the assumption some of those guns may have been used to kill people.

This morning's Irish Independent covers this very point.

SINN Fein's Martin Ferris said he accepted "collective responsibility" for all deaths attributed to the IRA. The Kerry TD was asked on TV3's 'The Political Party' last night if he had killed people. "I'm not going to comment whether I did or not. I will take collective responsibility for every person the IRA were responsible for killing during the period of the last 30 years," he said.

Is 'collective' responsibility still responsibility?
So - What was his involvement?

Pity more Shinners can't admit their responsibility of lack of?
 

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I think in view of what he has said previously about his belief that violence was necessary to whatever freedom we have in Ireland, and that his "mistakes" don’t haunt him, and so on, that what he is essentially saying is that he actually is proud of playing his part in the death and suffering engendered by the mutant provos, one of the most ruthless, immoral, despicable terrorist organizations the world has ever seen.
 


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