I am so sick of this whining

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The Anthony Long debacle - Yet again, we have a dangerous/drunk driving convicion, and find out that the killer had a previous conviction for drink driving. If we had a masculine, grown-up attitude to road safety, his first convicion would have resulted in a lifetime ban from driving, and he would not have been free to drive drunk and kill two people.

But no, we have to endure crying from the victims' families, and pleas about 'responsibility' and 'care' on the road and 'consideration' and 'watching somebody in the pub who might be drunk and having the courage to take the keys off them' and all that nonsense, thus turning a simple, legal, logical problem into an emotional one. Nothing will change on account of this moaning - Ill-looking characters like this Anthony Long can get drugged, drive dangerously and even GET CAUGHT, but go free to do the same again.

Is nobody else sick of this whining and pleading and soft sentencing, when simple, authoritative measures are called for to curb thuggery on the public roads?

http://www.rte.ie/news/2010/1110/longa.html
 


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The Anthony Long debacle - Yet again, we have a dangerous/drunk driving convicion, and find out that the killer had a previous conviction for drink driving. If we had a masculine, grown-up attitude to road safety, his first convicion would have resulted in a lifetime ban from driving, and he would not have been free to drive drunk and kill two people.

But no, we have to endure crying from the victims' families, and pleas about 'responsibility' and 'care' on the road and 'consideration' and 'watching somebody in the pub who might be drunk and having the courage to take the keys off them' and all that nonsense, thus turning a simple, legal, logical problem into an emotional one. Nothing will change on account of this moaning - Ill-looking characters like this Anthony Long can get drugged, drive dangerously and even GET CAUGHT, but go free to do the same again.

Is nobody else sick of this whining and pleading and soft sentencing, when simple, authoritative measures are called for to curb thuggery on the public roads?

Dangerous driver sentenced to five years - RT News
this guy sounds like someone who would drive drunk with or without a licence.
but I think a two strike approach to drink driving should be in place.
 

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+15---the minimum a guy should get for a second drink driving offence
 

ne0ica

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Blame our liberal judiciary.
 

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Is nobody else sick of this whining and pleading and soft sentencing, when simple, authoritative measures are called for to curb thuggery on the public roads?
I couldn't agree more, but the justice system in Ireland, and the politicians who draft the laws that make it work are both utterly dysfunctional. This country is a basket case when it comes to the law. People who don't pay fines for leaving cardboard boxes at bottle banks go to jail, criminal bankers and corrupt politicians will never see the inside of one and scum like the road killer in this instance receive sentences that don't correspond with the enormity of the crime.

But calls for harsher sentences – richly deserved in many cases – will mark you out as a right-wing loon with no empathy for people.

Banana Republic lives up to its name.
 

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The Anthony Long debacle - Yet again, we have a dangerous/drunk driving convicion, and find out that the killer had a previous conviction for drink driving. If we had a masculine, grown-up attitude to road safety, his first convicion would have resulted in a lifetime ban from driving, and he would not have been free to drive drunk and kill two people.

But no, we have to endure crying from the victims' families, and pleas about 'responsibility' and 'care' on the road and 'consideration' and 'watching somebody in the pub who might be drunk and having the courage to take the keys off them' and all that nonsense, thus turning a simple, legal, logical problem into an emotional one. Nothing will change on account of this moaning - Ill-looking characters like this Anthony Long can get drugged, drive dangerously and even GET CAUGHT, but go free to do the same again.

Is nobody else sick of this whining and pleading and soft sentencing, when simple, authoritative measures are called for to curb thuggery on the public roads?

Dangerous driver sentenced to five years - RT News
The whole philosophy of the motoring laws are at fault.
The powers that be would rather harass law abiding citizens with road blocks and spot breathalyzing checks than introduce real deterrents.
If second offenders faced a mandatory 20 years it would be far more productive in terms of changes in road behavior.
 

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5 years for killing two people through wanton disregard for the safety of other road users..
 

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There's no personal responsiblity in the country though. This is a perfect example. It's always my dad's fault because he drank, or the bartender's fault for serving me, or the car's fault for not driving upside down. It's never my fault for taking the first drink.
 

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He must have friends in high places.
nah,
sure if he killed them with a knife but didn't mean to kill them he might have only gotten the same or maybe 7 or 8 years for each person. served concurrently of course.
 

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How did this guy only get 10 years...? He should never be left out again... One of the worst cases I have ever read. Surely 30 years would have been more apt?
If it was any other country he would never see the light of day again. he will be out after 5 years. This is like something from A Clockwork Orange.

Dundalk man jailed for 'extreme violence' - RT News

A Dundalk man has been sentenced to ten years imprisonment for what the Central Criminal Court had been told was a random act of extreme violence.
Angelo O'Riordan, 23, from Point Road, Bellurgan, had been charged with the murder of Aidan Myers at Upper Faughart on December 13th, 2006 but pleaded guilty to manslaughter during his trial.
He also pleaded guilty to assaulting Gearoid O'Donnell on the same occasion.
The court had been told that two cars were hijacked by a group of young men in Dundalk on the evening before the killing.
The gang were armed with a machete and the first driver was slashed with it, leaving him needing 45 stitches.
In the second car, a woman and young child were forced out of their car by the gang wielding the machete.
37-year-old Aidan Myers had been collected from his sister's home in Upper Faughart by his friend, Gearoid O'Donnell.
They were driving towards the town when they were rammed from behind and their car forced into the ditch.
When they got out to find out what was going on, they were attacked with a machete. They ended up on the ground, being hit by the machete.
Mr Myers was still on the ground when O'Riordan got into a car, pushing the other car over him.
Det Garda Charlie Geoghegan told the court that a friend to whom O'Riordan had confessed said he could hear Mr Myers screaming under the car as he kept driving.
Mr Myers later died of his injuries.
Mr O'Donnell later died of natural causes although his family believe his death has hastened by the injuries he received in this attack.
The court was told that the defendant had consumed alcohol, cocaine, cannabis and other drugs on the night in question.
He had a list of previous convictions including dangerous driving and reckless endangerment.
Today Judge Patrick McCarthy said the details of the case were quite shocking.
He sentenced O'Riordan to ten years imprisonment and suspended the last year.
He also backdated the sentence to May of last year when the defendant was arrested on this matter.
 

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The whole philosophy of the motoring laws are at fault.

The powers that be would rather harass law abiding citizens with road blocks and spot breathalyzing checks than introduce real deterrents.

If second offenders faced a mandatory 20 years it would be far more productive in terms of changes in road behavior.
Medical researchers believe the that the greatest contribution the breathaliser makes to Road Safety is in the pressure it puts on heavy drinkers to stop driving altogether.

If you've ever known any heavy drinkers you'll know that they're even more awkward when they're deficient of alcohol than they are with a few drinks inside them.

That's why random breath-tests are so important. For every drinker that's caught there are umpteen others that will stop driving. It's easier for them to stop driving than it is to stop boozing.
 

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Blame our liberal judiciary.
A comment straight out of the tea-party phrase book.

The american situation is not applicable to the Irish one - you need to be getting your information from irish sources.

If anything, it's a very old-fashioned paternalistic attitude to be sympathetic to drink driving.
 

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Isn't there some legal provision in place that enables the DPP to seek a re-trial because of an over-lenient sentence?
 

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How did this guy only get 10 years...? He should never be left out again... One of the worst cases I have ever read. Surely 30 years would have been more apt?
So if attack a completely random innocent person with a machete, then drive off crushing him to death you get 10 years.

Some of the Cratloe gang-rapists in Limerick are back walking around the streets already. Larry Murphy could be anywhere.

It's odd that we have built a society where the "rights" of the criminal outweigh the rights of society to protect itself. I don't remember voting for this society.
 

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The whole philosophy of the motoring laws are at fault.
The powers that be would rather harass law abiding citizens with road blocks and spot breathalyzing checks than introduce real deterrents.
If second offenders faced a mandatory 20 years it would be far more productive in terms of changes in road behavior.
+1
 
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What I'm saying is, there should be no two-offence rule for dangerous/drunk driving. The first offence for either should result in an automatic lifetime ban from driving, whatever about a fine or a custodial sentence. This is the only measure that shows respect and, more importantly, PROTECTION for other road users, many of whom are child passengers.
 

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If we had a masculine, grown-up attitude to road safety, his first convicion would have resulted in a lifetime ban from driving, and he would not have been free to drive drunk and kill two people.
I agree that these people should be taken off the road, so not quibbling at all. My question is why do you describe an 'attitude' as being 'masculine'?
 


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