I can live with cuts but I will not live with unfairness!

cry freedom

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Details of the government's Four Year Plan, have been deliberately leaked,[ the old Soviet Union were very fond of five year plans, but thats by the by].
It appears they are going to cut the minimum wage, social welfare and private sector pensions allowances.
Fair enough, I reluctantly suppose!
Not a word though about cutting politician's, judges or higher public servants wages or conditions.
Nor a peep out of them about:
State cars
Quangos.
Turning up money.
Double pensions
Perks.
expenses
Trade union practices
Waste​
Do these people not realise that the country is on a knife edge
Are they so far removed from reality that they don't know what's going on.
If they don't get their act together very soon there will be blood on the streets.
Leadership and fairness may be able to deflect the worst of it.
I wonder where we should look for that?
 


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You are talking about symbols rather than tackling the real problem.
All expenditure should be cut including TD's wages and expenses but to save any real money we need to offload at least 70,000 PS workers, cut PS pensions, reduce social welfare and health service costs. All of the socialism introduced by Bertie during his reign needs to be done away with - if we could do this then the largest part of our problem is solved.
 

Expose the lot of them

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reduce social welfare ......costs. .
The most effective way to reduce social welfare costs is to get people back into decent well paying jobs which will enable them to contribute to the economy through taxes and spending. Cutting the minimum wage and social welfare will simply take more money out of the economy as those dependent on social welfare and min wage spend every penny immediately.

lenny talked about the min wage being ahead of inflation, what about the increases in transport, gas, electricity and health charges? Items that clothes and footware which have figured largely in the items that have reduced in price are beyond the means of the low paid and the unemployed.

I see in one of today's papers that Bertie is still claiming (and being paid) his turning up money despite having a car and drivers.
 

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we need to offload at least 70,000 PS workers,
Only 70,000? Why you'd still have the odd teacher nurse or Garda left if you limited it to that (not many, and probably none anywhere near where you live) but what of it?

Sure who needs schools hospitals or law and order?
 

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Only 70,000? Why you'd still have the odd teacher nurse or Garda left if you limited it to that (not many, and probably none anywhere near where you live) but what of it?

Sure who needs schools hospitals or law and order?
Nah... I think the remaining 350,000 could manage
If they need help they will call you
 

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I see in one of today's papers that Bertie is still claiming (and being paid) his turning up money despite having a car and drivers.[/QUOTE said:
None of then have to claim the turning up money since the 'reformed' system introduced March 2010. they are automatically paid it every month with salary. as a Dublin TD Bertie atomatically gets €1000 every month turning up money with his salary.

The system allows him to have the car and drivers 24/7 and to keep the turning up money. He is 'entitled' to it.

An utterly immoral situation.
 

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Indeed, people can live with very austere circumstances if they feel that everyone else is on the same boat. Therefore symbolism is important as it has been stated before that the cost of running a parliament is just a drop in the ocean in all costs but if a lot of people lose their jobs in the public sector in the name of cutting costs, then it would be gross to maintain the same number of parliamentarians when as a much smaller number of them would do exactly the same job.
 

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The most effective way to reduce social welfare costs is to get people back into decent well paying jobs which will enable them to contribute to the economy through taxes and spending. Cutting the minimum wage and social welfare will simply take more money out of the economy as those dependent on social welfare and min wage spend every penny immediately.

lenny talked about the min wage being ahead of inflation, what about the increases in transport, gas, electricity and health charges? Items that clothes and footware which have figured largely in the items that have reduced in price are beyond the means of the low paid and the unemployed.

I see in one of today's papers that Bertie is still claiming (and being paid) his turning up money despite having a car and drivers.
But if they are paid more or similar on the dole they will never go back to work...
 

cry freedom

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Indeed, people can live with very austere circumstances if they feel that everyone else is on the same boat. Therefore symbolism is important as it has been stated before that the cost of running a parliament is just a drop in the ocean in all costs but if a lot of people lose their jobs in the public sector in the name of cutting costs, then it would be gross to maintain the same number of parliamentarians when as a much smaller number of them would do exactly the same job.
Agreed. Most people have been able to work out on their own that the "sauce for the goose" cuts that I propose will not, of themselves,
stem the tide of bankruptcy.
What they will do is make the small mans [very necessary] pain somewhat more bearable.
If someone knowingly overcharges me for something, that is one thing.
If however he gives me a cheeky wave driving off in his flashy car then that is quite another. Most of us in this life have had to put up, at one time or another, with being diddled. Having your intelligence insulted at the same time is only adding fuel to the fire.
Optics has been a very overused word recently but the optics of this are now very critical
 


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