I hate recruitment agencies aagghhh!

imsopeedoff

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Have been a spectator on here for quite some time and have learned a lot about how this kip of a country is actually run. Cheers for the heads up!

As my moniker suggests, I'm not a happy bunny right now.

Husband made redundant, both of us at home now. These things happen in life, we can deal with this BUT: In our search for jobs we have to wade through the greatest pile of timewasters (recruitment agencies). I wrote to the editors of Times and Indo in my despair and in hindsight naivety (No reply). They receive advertising revenue from these agencies so it was stupid of me to think that ordinary people trying to get back to work would tug on their heartstrings! This country is so beyond corrupt, we need a whole new word for it. I realised there is nowhere to turn, no one to complain to, no standards agency to appeal to, no-one who isn't bought and sold by greedy corporate ireland. If anyone reading this has any influence anywhere, please highlight this problem, we want to go back to work, they're impeding us. Below is the letter

Dear Editor,

I am a 34 year old IT Professional. I have been a stay at home mother for the past 2 years. My husband was recently made redundant so both of us are now on the job hunt. I am completely appalled at the conduct of Recruitment Agencies in particular IT Recruitment. My disenchanting experience so far :-


Most of the jobs advertised on Recruit Ireland, IrishJobs, Jobs.ie, Loadzajobs etc are in fact non-existent
The same jobs are on these sites for months, yet if you inquire they tell you its been filled.
The recruiters are actually just harvesting CV’s and trying to sell the really good ones to the highest bidder
The agencies are panicking as there are very little jobs out there and their services are not as in demand as they once were so they are fishing for the cream of the crop, pin them down to a figure (a very recessionary figure) add 10% for themselves. (Sorry to say but the word “Pimp” comes to mind)

If there is any way you could write an article informing the HR people of Ireland who may have the Holy Grail of an open position, that the jobseeking professional people in this country have no faith in the agencies anymore, do not have time to apply for imaginary jobs or be sent to mismatched interviews (my husband and I are now searching jobs only where the employer themselves has advertised)

Employers, advertise your positions yourselves if you want the best people. The recruitment agencies have had their day. If jobseekers could just buy a national newspaper every Thursday and know that there is a list of REAL jobs we would all get back to work faster and cheaper cutting out this middleman who is now engaging in unethical and immoral practices to stay alive, and in the process impeding the path back to employment for a lot of very good people.

I think it would be a huge revenue channel for your paper, as it would be like manna if there was a list of “Actual Jobs” to apply for with none of the sharks in the pool.


Regards,

I also sent a link to a relevent thread on boards
 
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Dios

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Just a note to any web developers in the audience, if you want to build the Daft of recruitment websites, just make sure that CV-fishing is outlawed on your site AND LET PEOPLE KNOW THAT. Real adverts for real jobs only, and police it, or have your visitors police it for you. What you lose in initial revenue you'll make up for pretty rapidly in eyeballs, and before too long you'll be the only game in town. This is happening all over the US as we speak.
 

imsopeedoff

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attaboy DIOS :p
 

Elvis Parsley

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recruitdirect.ie seems to be the best as it does not deal with agencies, employers only. Obviously there are less vacant positions on the site.
 

grundie

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I've had to deal with recruitment agencies in the past and I have learnt the following:

- Let them know straight up that you are suspicious of them. Don't be aggressive, but saying something like "I hope you don't mind me saying this, but I'm wary of agencies after some bad experiences it the past" can let them know you won't take any messing around.

- Despite claiming they operate in your best interests and will do anything they can to help you, they won't. They only care about you when you look like you can help them earn a fee.

- Make it quite clear they are not to edit your CV in any way, not even to put their logo on it. If they insist otherwise then move on. I've had my CV edited in the past to make out I had skills I did not actually possess. I've seen logos being added and ruining the layout of my CV as well.

- Give them a time limit to remove your CV from their system if they do not get you a job. Otherwise it will be used as bait to fish for employers for years to come. Do the same if they do get you a job, otherwise they will come after you in six months looking to get you in to a new job and a new fee for them.

- If they insist on giving you interview coaching, specifically giving you suggested answers, then be wary - they may have edited your CV or exaggerated something about you.

- If the agency person has stubble or smells of alcohol, walk away.

- If a so-called 'specialist' IT recruiter asks you to explain what simple IT acronyms mean (e.g. What is PHP/C++/HTML etc), walk away.

- If they wax lyrical about a job, without telling you who it's with, then they are competing with other agencies to get someone into that job.

- Make it very, very clear to the agency they are not to submit your CV to an employer without you giving permission first. If an employer receives the same CV from two agencies they will not hire that person - no matter how good they are. They do not want to get in to an argument over which agency will get a fee.

The trick to dealing with recruitment agencies is getting them to sing to your tune. You have to make sure they know that you will not be treated like a commodity, nor will you stand for having your CV being used to help them fish for fees. Reputable agencies will go out their way to help you and look after your CV, dodgy ones won't. Seek out the good ones and stick with them.
 

jmcc

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Ah the return of the slave traders. It seems like 2001 all over again. :) Watch out that some of these slave traders don't try to extract a commission from your salary if you do manage to get a job with their help.

Regards...jmcc
 

Digout

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If the job aint real, report to them the dept of trade and enterprise. IT recruitment agencies are almost as scummy as FF.
 

slx

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I've found recruitment agencies worse than useless in the past and now go direct to employers.

I have had my CV filtered out because my degree title didn't immediately fit into a narrow selection of degrees they recognised, or was categorised incorrectly and was not put forward for jobs that I was 100% qualified for as a result.

I have also been put forward for jobs that I was totally unqualified for without my permission which was just stupid and a waste of my time and the employers.

The other thing I found very annoying was one particular recruiter who put me forward for a job I didn't really want. She convinced me over the phone that it was great etc. Then about 3 days later, rang me at work to give me really nasty and negative feedback about how my CV 'lacked direction' and the employer felt that I should know this.

What was I supposed to say? Oh thank you for that wonderful advice, I will now just rewind time and start my career all over?!

I actually ended up having a big row with her by email.

I would advise if it all possible try and deal directly with employers, most of the recruitment agents (with a few honourable exceptions) are complete chancers and nothing other than glorified sales people.
 

Oriel27

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I've had to deal with recruitment agencies in the past and I have learnt the following:

- Let them know straight up that you are suspicious of them. Don't be aggressive, but saying something like "I hope you don't mind me saying this, but I'm wary of agencies after some bad experiences it the past" can let them know you won't take any messing around.

- Despite claiming they operate in your best interests and will do anything they can to help you, they won't. They only care about you when you look like you can help them earn a fee.

- Make it quite clear they are not to edit your CV in any way, not even to put their logo on it. If they insist otherwise then move on. I've had my CV edited in the past to make out I had skills I did not actually possess. I've seen logos being added and ruining the layout of my CV as well.

- Give them a time limit to remove your CV from their system if they do not get you a job. Otherwise it will be used as bait to fish for employers for years to come. Do the same if they do get you a job, otherwise they will come after you in six months looking to get you in to a new job and a new fee for them.

- If they insist on giving you interview coaching, specifically giving you suggested answers, then be wary - they may have edited your CV or exaggerated something about you.

- If the agency person has stubble or smells of alcohol, walk away.

- If a so-called 'specialist' IT recruiter asks you to explain what simple IT acronyms mean (e.g. What is PHP/C++/HTML etc), walk away.

- If they wax lyrical about a job, without telling you who it's with, then they are competing with other agencies to get someone into that job.

- Make it very, very clear to the agency they are not to submit your CV to an employer without you giving permission first. If an employer receives the same CV from two agencies they will not hire that person - no matter how good they are. They do not want to get in to an argument over which agency will get a fee.

The trick to dealing with recruitment agencies is getting them to sing to your tune. You have to make sure they know that you will not be treated like a commodity, nor will you stand for having your CV being used to help them fish for fees. Reputable agencies will go out their way to help you and look after your CV, dodgy ones won't. Seek out the good ones and stick with them.

Great post, good tips. here.

I have noticed alot of these agencies dont really know much about HR themselves.
I applied to a job one day. the agency girl told me that she wouldnt put me forward for a job as i didnt have a certain accronym on my CV. Little did she know i actually had, but only it was a different recognised accronym but the same thing.
The same girl then peed me off another time by telling me i wasnt qualified for another job.

So anyway i got in contact with her boss, made an official complaint. and as far as i know, she got the boot.
 

slx

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Wouldn't fishing for CVs be illegal under the data protection act?

Perhaps an investigation is in order!

I'm sure the Data Protection Commissioner could apply for a few jobs and see what happens!
 

Oriel27

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Wouldn't fishing for CVs be illegal under the data protection act?

Perhaps an investigation is in order!

I'm sure the Data Protection Commissioner could apply for a few jobs and see what happens!
so what about monster.ie do they not fish for CVs?
 

flavirostris

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Employers, advertise your positions yourselves if you want the best people. The recruitment agencies have had their day. If jobseekers could just buy a national newspaper every Thursday and know that there is a list of REAL jobs we would all get back to work faster and cheaper cutting out this middleman who is now engaging in unethical and immoral practices to stay alive, and in the process impeding the path back to employment for a lot of very good people.
HR Departments in Irish Companies tend to outsource all of the head-hunting to the recruitment agencies. The HR people leave all the web scouring to the agency types while they get on with the important stuff like doing Sweet FA.
Generally if you post your CV on the Web and someone contacts you, ten times out of ten its going to be an agency person.
 

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Wouldn't fishing for CVs be illegal under the data protection act?

Perhaps an investigation is in order!

I'm sure the Data Protection Commissioner could apply for a few jobs and see what happens!
Come under the dept of trade and enterprise. Some of the agencies have their people on a target number of calls to make per day, target number of CV's etc. Some of the have a full time admin person updating the jobsites all day, pushing their jobs to the top.

When an agency calls you and says "what companies have you been put foreward to by other agencies, i need to know as I dont want to duplicate", dont tell them a word. If you do, they pick up the phone and call that company and send in other CV's to the job. Tell them that the agency that send you to the job told you to keep it quiet. If you dont like the agent, give them a bum streer by telling them the job is with ESB or Eircom, cos they will be on the phone all day to find jobs in there.
 

slx

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so what about monster.ie do they not fish for CVs?
No, they legitimately request that you put them up and you know what you're getting yourself into.

They don't advertise fake / already filled / non existent jobs to get your personal information.

That's a misleading practice which is giving a marketing company / sales organisation i.e. the recruitment agency access to all of your personal data.

I've heard worrying stories like 'agencies' asking for PPS and Bank Account details before even giving details of a job!

There are lots of total con artists out there
 

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I was looking for a job in Dublin recently and the hassle I had trying to explain what it is I'm qualified in was amazing.

OK, it's fair to mention that I'm not your 9-to-5 college grad. I've got a funny mix of qualifications which happen to be in high demand at the moment, but if the job hunters don't know anything beyond "electronic engineer" or the dreaded and mostly useless "IT" nomenclature then it's more or less a lost cause.

It really put me off the whole idea. that and the state of the economy. I'll be staying where I am for the mo thank you very much.

Shane.
 


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