I hate recruitment agencies aagghhh!

zermatt

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Recruiters are one of the scummiest professions along with solicitors.

At least there is a certain honesty in what a prostitute does, not with the recruitment profession.
 


Mackers

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My daughter went to one some time back and they sent her to three interviews. The first was in Marketing where she was asked to attend a seminar that would cost her £500. The other was again in Marketing where she was to be a "chugger" getting people to sign up for a charity in the street. The last was to an interview for a job that had been filled nearly two weeks before.
 

clearmurk

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Interesting how an aged thread is still relevant. What about the IT Skills Shortage??

My biggest gripe with recruitment agencies, and recruiters in general, is the apparent disregard that these have for the personal data of individuals. They seem to think that just because someone is tempted to send them their details, that this then gives the agency ownership over that data and that person. The Data Protection Commission needs to conduct an audit of this sector pronto.

Agree with the sentiment that you are better off pursuing employers direct, but many of the latter specialise in hiding behind agencies. In effect seeking to circumvent any and all employment legislation that may otherwise apply. Such is the feudal state we have become.
 

livingstone

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I’ve only ever had one real experience of working with an agency, and it went well. It was back in 2007 for a call centre job in Cork. Not particularly high end, but it was part-time, inward calls (no selling), flexible hours and well paid, so suited me down to the ground at the time. Have to say, my experience was totally positive – saw the ad in a newspaper, called them, they asked me in for a chat and to bring in a CV. After the chat, they decided whether or not to put me forward for the job (they did). Then I went for an interview with the company a week later and got the job. Everything from there on was handled by the company, not the agency.

All in, very efficient and they were upfront about what the job was from the start – none of this ‘Exciting Communications and PR Role’. The guy I chatted to basically said that the reason for chatting to me first was to make sure I had the core skills and experience, but also to assess whether I was likely to be in it for the long haul. The company invested a lot in recruitment and training, and were looking for people who would stick it out.

For what its worth, the agency was Adecco, and I’ve had a high opinion of them ever since. In later job searches, I’ve chucked CVs in for specific vacancies occasionally without hearing back, so generally agree that direct applications work best. But there are the odd occasions when agencies work.
 

Fritzbox

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LinkedIn is the way to go. All job seekers have to:
Manage an updated and active profile.
Follow/stalk companies of interest and start discussions about how wonderful they are or a topic of relevance.
Then when a job appears the job seekers has to jump at the opportunity to apply, because all the earlier efforts will pay off and job seeker will be known to the company.
Job seekers are suppose to manage an active twitter account following companies and join in discussions.
That is all called networking, most jobs aren't advertised so job seekers have to use their amazing powers on telepathy to find jobs.
Speculative C.Vs are no longer the way forward and actually posting a hard copay is as old as the arc.

Or at least that's what I've been told numerous times by recruiters and companies alike.

I did get an interview through LinkedIn.

But then LinkedIn advertised jobs, let them run for a month then "re advertised " as a new job for another month. This went on for a while. I reckon they had someone in mind from outside the E.U., hence all the nonsense. I emailed and asked what the status on the job was but didn't get any reply.
"The amateur tweets. The pro works."

Steven Pressfield
 

moycullen14

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I'm not going to patronise you or stick up for agencies. You're out there seeking advice on how best to work the system and you deserve praise for taking the initiative to do that. What I will try to do is give you an insight into the mind of a (maybe good) recruiter by telling my story.

Last year I spotted a job in the paper I wanted so I approached the company directly. They told me that I had to deal with an agency. I called them probably 5 times before I got to talk to anyone and even then I was "grunted" at. I sent in my CV and cover letter and followed up with calls and emails but it was hard work. It was one way communication, no feedback etc and I was completely frustrated. I kept a log of all emails and calls and the list just got longer. Eventually he called one day to tell me I was called for interview and that was it. No offer of help etc. I went to his office one morning unannounced and demanded a meeting so that I could get some of his knowledge etc. He reluctantly met me and gave me a few basic details that I already knew anyway. At this stage I knew there was a fine line between getting cooperation and p*ssing him off so I backed off a bit.

Anyway I did the first interview, got a little bit of feedback and he started warming to me and then after the 2nd he was all over me. Got an offer and he then he wouldn't stop ringing me. At this point I'd love to have told him to f**k off but I wanted the job so I had to play ball. I got the job in spite of him as opposed to because of him.

Now - his side of the story. After I started he kept calling wanting to buy me lunch. I decided I'd meet him and tell him what I really thought of him. I met him and didn't hold back. He sat back and listened and said something like "let me explain"

I can't quote the conversation verbatim but it was something like this. He knew he had exclusivity on the job as he had given them a competitive rate in exchange for 6 weeks before they could use anyone else - that was the quid pro pro. It was a fairly senior role and he had 5 people from his own database and he felt 3 of them had a great chance. I arrived and he felt he didn't need me so basically he didn't bother with me. He had met or placed the others for interview so he knew a bit about them but he had nothing on me - I was a risk. However, I kept pestering him so he sent in my CV anyway without meeting me. I did the first interview and he got good feedback on me and 1 other. He now knew that I had a chance so he started taking an interest. The other person made a mess of the 2nd interview so I was last man standing. Then came the punchline. He said "<name>, I'm a salesman. You were my product" He went on to say that he qualifies everyone he talks to in or out in his head and this determines the amount of attention they get. Equally he qualifies the employer on the basis of how likely they will actually go ahead and hire and when they might do so. He only wants to spend time on live opportunties. If he wants to have a chat with someone he'll meet them for a pint. Work is work and he wants to ensure that he uses every minute of his time to maximum effect.

All the above is true. While I wasn't and am still not impressed with some of his methods I couldn't fault his motivation and honesty. He now calls me every month without fail looking for opportunities. He is a salesman and is proud of it. Once I understood this point I could then understood his behaviour. The thing is that while I don't need anyone at the moment the chances are that if and when I do that I will use him as I know how single minded he will be.

Hope this helps in some way - the Masters has started so I'm off.
At last, someone who understands how the real world works.

The dynamic is that the candidate is the product, the agent is vendor and the client is the customer. The customer pays, he's god, the candidate is just raw material to be used/abused as it suits the agent. Whay would they do anything else? You want my attention and care? Fine, pay me!

You should never expect anything from an entity that you do not pay.

It's the same with auctioneers, google, facebook, twitter, etc. Why people expect anything from these guys is beyond me.

It is a vile job: chasing limited opportunities, a complete 'no foal, no fee' environment, endless metrics, no respect from candidates or clients. I don't know why anyone does it. I do, however, understand why someone would want to 'own' one of these companies.

If the industry is to change, then it is completely down to clients.

For the life of me, I can't understand large companies with HR departments willing to fork out 5 figure sums to recruitment consultants to do simple searches/screens that they should be able to do themselves. I mean what use is a HR person in an IT company if they can't conduct a simple technical screening? What exactly are they there for?

So redirect your anger to the right target. That's the employer. The agent doesn't cause the problems, they are an effect.
 

flavirostris

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IT recruiters = professional bullsh*tters
 

louish

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Try reliable and trusted recruitment agencies

Sorry Steve, this may be a bad time for you as you were stuck with a bad agency. Go with a reputable job agency that can help you. Seek out the good one and stick with them for the better job opportunity. Personally, I can suggest you one name. Try Freshminds. I have had a very good experience with them. They are one of the most reliable and trusted recruitment agencies.
 


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