I just got an electronic cigarette

H.R. Haldeman

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I'm a 20 a day man and love smoking, but in truth I've had it with my inability to make it through 10 minutes of the waking day without thinking about fags (if you are a pack a day smoker, this is almost literally true: your life is measured out by 10 - 15 minute gaps between fags. It is pathetic). And the cost is just ludicrous - it is almost a week's rent in my case.

So I have just bought an electronic cigarette (e-cig, also called a vapouriser). Here's the Wiki on e-cigs, and a link to the biggest e-cig forum on the net (it is entirely non-commercial):
Electronic cigarette - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
e-cigarette-forum.com • The place for electronic cigarette reviews, news and chat

I recommend the forum for those interested in finding out more. It looks like a very large and conscientious community, but you'll need to judge that for yourself.

Boots in the UK (and perhaps here) sell a form of the c-cig, but in general the jury is very much out on their health status. If you are going to try an e-cig this is the #1 issue by a mile so you must do your own research and come to a conclusion for yourself....They are almost entirely unregulated - the FDA in the US are very anti and confiscate e-cigs and accessories coming into the US, primarily from China. In addition, most brands (there are 5 or 6 from what I can gather) are made in China which, as we know, is not exactly a Health and Safety nirvana. And, as Wiki says, there have been precious few, if any, peer reviewed, respected clinical trials on e-cigs. So this is pretty scary territory for a product that puts "smoke" into your lungs. So caveat emptor BIG TIME.

But here's my view: if the e-cig is manufactured as stated (in other words assuming it is made just as the manufacturer claims it is made and no corners are cut/additional elements sneaked in) I think these things are potentially a wonder-product for us addicts.

Having had the e-cig for a few days now, I am absolutely staggered by the effect this thing has had on me. The extent to which it replicates the smoking experience is amazing. Smokers will know the problem with nicotine replacement treatments is that you miss the smokey "hit" on your throat and lungs. The e-cig delivers this. It's pretty amazing, and the theory says that what you are inhaling is not "smoke" but rather vapourised Propylene Glycol and nicotine....Here's what PG is (we consume tonnes of it already):
Propylene glycol - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Nictoine is nicotine, which you know about already. The crucial point in theory is that you are not putting carcinogenic smoke into your lungs - instead, it is water vapur. Nothing burns in an e-cig. With a normal fag, it is the smoke specifically that does the real damage, not the nicotine per se...the burning of the tobacco is merely a nicotine delivery system, which is really, really, really stupid if you think about it - you are taking something carcinogenic merely as a means of getting nicotine! If that isn't the stupidist goddam thing ever, I dunno.

As a matter of public health policy, someone somewhere HAS TO do a health assessment of these things. Having used them for just a few days, I have never been more optimistic of replacing my habit with this safer alternative (assuming that's what it is!!). I am obviously very concerned with the health aspects set out above, but for now I almost don't care as long as I am not smoking bloody fags. I have had 5 cigarettes in the last 3 days, when normally I would have had 60 or 70. Do the math.

On cost, my estimation is that replacement nicotine cartridges and other parts for my e-cig should come in at about 10% - 20% the cost of my fag habit. Maybe €40 a month or something.

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I bought my e-cig through an Irish supplier of one of the more popular brands. I don't want to spam the suppliers name here, but a Google search wiill propbably find it, or if you want to PM me I can pass on the details. I have no connection whatsoever with this operation and am not connected with e-cigs in any way other than as a consumer for the last few days.
 


5intheface

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Was at the GP on wednesday, got 10 week course of patches and nicotine inhaler. Planning to go all out on Sunday. There's a twisted but accidental logic to giving up the day Lent ends. I really want to stop but not that confident so us know how you get on with it.
 

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Those electronic cigarettes are a waste of money. The battery goes dead after 200 pulls. The battery is not replaceable. So you pay about €20 for the electronic cigarette and it dies in no time at all. They'd be ok for plane trips though. Mind you the airlines will probably say it could interfere with the workings of the plane
 

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You can get ones with rechargeable batteries.

But I'll warn ye now, it's only a small step away from cyborgs and the NWO!

REPENT! REPENT!
 

5intheface

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Anyone else try the inhalers? How do they differ from the ecigs? I haven't stopped yet but I had a go at the inhaler and it nearly made me chuck. You do get a fair nic hit off them to be fair.
 

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I like the physical experience of smoking but hate the effect of the actual components, and don't even like the taste of cigs. So I don't smoke - but if there was an e-cig with something harmless or even moderately good (i.e. camomile extract) instead of nicotine vapor, I'd be getting one.

I once bought "non-tobacco cigarettes" and they were much fun but I never saw them again, and besides I don't know if the smoke is still bad if you're burning other stuff (I don't exactly remember what was there, but it was all legal).
 

wysiwyg

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l had a naughty thought, thx cookie and hr, l shall be thinking batteries and small phallic displacers all evening whilst doing the spring cleaning.

Do you smoke yourself Dot

:rolleyes:
 

merle haggard

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that contraption sounds like a disaster waiting to happen . I thought it was only the japs who were kamikazes but it sounds like the ching chong dog eaters are now too . No way id trust any scientific marvel emanating from a country with a long established draconian populaion reduction agenda . Any more than id trust a chicken dish i didnt see the actual UN WHO certified SARS free bird slaughtered and cooked until it was on my plate .

Ill stick to my lithuanian marlboro lights thanks very much . £24 per carton . Courtesy of lithuanian bloke at works coat and a quick exchange every monday .
 

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There is a low nitrosamine smokeless product from scandinavia, (I wont mention its name), but it works quite well with all tests conducted so far showing no increased cancer risk. Major studies would be needed of course.

Its illegal to import to the EU because big tobacco has a powerful lobby apparatus and they don't need the competition but i'm sure if it was on the market a lot of europeans would not be dying of smoking related cardio vascular disease. OP can send pm if he needs details.
 

H.R. Haldeman

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Those electronic cigarettes are a waste of money. The battery goes dead after 200 pulls. The battery is not replaceable. So you pay about €20 for the electronic cigarette and it dies in no time at all. They'd be ok for plane trips though. Mind you the airlines will probably say it could interfere with the workings of the plane
And cigarettes aren't a waste of money? Hmmmm.

Anway, the batteries are re-chargebale and are said to last up to a month. They cost a few € to replace and you get a re-charger unit with your starter pack (as well as 2 batteries). And 200 pulls is about a pack of fags so even if you are right (I think it may be more, but whatever) one battery could = a month's supply of fags assuming you re-charge it. Not bad and hardly the waste you suggest.

Anyone else try the inhalers? How do they differ from the ecigs? I haven't stopped yet but I had a go at the inhaler and it nearly made me chuck. You do get a fair nic hit off them to be fair.
I tried the nicotine inhaler. The problem is that all it does is deliver nicotine, it does not replicate the sensation of smoking (except the fact it is vaguely cigarette shaped and you hold it like one). As a hardcore addict, I gave up on it after a few days. With the e-cig, you actually get the vapour into your throat and lungs as well as the nicotine hit, so it is much more an all-round smoking experience. I would actually call it an "alternative smoking experience" rather than a "replacement cigarette", but so far it is doing the trick for me. Those in the know prefer to call it "vapourising" to make it seem an entirely different thing to smoking. I think they kinda have a point - it is similar but somewhat different.

I like the physical experience of smoking but hate the effect of the actual components, and don't even like the taste of cigs. So I don't smoke - but if there was an e-cig with something harmless or even moderately good (i.e. camomile extract) instead of nicotine vapor, I'd be getting one.
Michael, one of the key points the e-cig lobby make is this: the nicotine is not the problem in a traditional cigarette - it is the carcinogens in the burning tobacco that is. So the fact e-cigs have nicotine delivery systems isn't really the point. And besides, the vapour is not primarily a nicotine vapour - the main component of the vapour is Propylene Glycol, as I mentioned in OP.

that contraption sounds like a disaster waiting to happen
The fact of the matter is I have absolutely no argument to refute this and in the back of my mind I somewhat agree. It is not impossible that in 5 years there will be a sudden emergence of problems associated with long-term use of these things. That is certainly possible.

But I can say this: these machines have been used now by many, many thousands of people for several years, and I have yet to find one single report of a serious side-effect. As you say, that could all be waiting down the line, but as of the first few years of these things' use, there don't yet appear to be issues.

But as I said in OP, I am not a schill for these things, I've only been using one for a week and ultimately I don't know if they are safe or not. Each person must decide on the cost/benefit to themselves.
 

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I was a 20 per day smoker & quit in January. I used the nicotine patches for a couple of days but ultimatley decided I didn't need them and stopped using the patches after a few days.

There is no miracle cure for nicotine addiction. You basically have to decide you want to stop. That is the secret. If you aren't ready to quit, you won't be successful but if you truly want to stop smoking you will do it without much effort as I did.

I don't believe that the e-cig is a good idea as its basically just another way for the nicotine to be delivered and if it admits to being just that then its a drug delivery system. Do you really need that to get through the day?
 

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You can't beat an e-cig after electronic sex or a big electronic meal....
 

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I was a 20 per day smoker & quit in January. I used the nicotine patches for a couple of days but ultimatley decided I didn't need them and stopped using the patches after a few days.

There is no miracle cure for nicotine addiction. You basically have to decide you want to stop. That is the secret. If you aren't ready to quit, you won't be successful but if you truly want to stop smoking you will do it without much effort as I did.

I don't believe that the e-cig is a good idea as its basically just another way for the nicotine to be delivered and if it admits to being just that then its a drug delivery system. Do you really need that to get through the day?
As a 20 a day smoker who would love to be a non smoker-I got the Ecigarette with rechargeable battery + 50 spare cartridges .the cigarette itself is very big and unwieldy .It gave me a very dry mouth and a sore throat so I didn`t stick with it .Apparently the sore throat will go as you get used to them so maybe I will try again -a nephew of mine has had great success with them .Agree withabove poster that you really have to want to give them up otherwise you will always find an excuse to go back
 

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What is champix? Is that the drug the doctor prescribes which reduces your desire to smoke over a six to eight week period?
 

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What is champix? Is that the drug the doctor prescribes which reduces your desire to smoke over a six to eight week period?
Yes it is. You're on it for three months, and you smoke for the first week while it's building up to a certain level in your brain. You stop during the second week, but it's no bother. No cravings, no inclination to have a cigarette (not even, or hardly even, at the "trigger points" like after a big meal, or while having a drink), and you're safe in the knowledge that even if you had one, it wouldn't give you any love. Some people have a problem with the side-effects, they're not bothering me particularly.

I've tried quitting before, and don't know what it's going to be like after the three months are up, but I never thought it could be this easy. A good way of skipping the hard bit before the longer-term abstinence.
 


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