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Ian Paisley Senior back on form :- "UK a Protestant country, NOT a secular one!".


st333ve

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Seen him rambling on UTV news, he's planning a huge protest with his free Presbyterian church.

The man is embarassing himself after enjoying a few years of being considered a changed man.

He also said..

"The Pope's visit will Destroy our whole history over night and everything that made Britain great, and it will do".

The old over the top scaremongering is rearing its ugly head again, and when it comes from his mouth it has proven to be very dangerous indeed.

A reformed man?

Obviously not.

A priests car and a chapel was attacked last night as recent anti-Catholic hysteria is whipped up by politicians and the media.
 

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Seen him rambling on UTV news, he's planning a huge protest with his free Presbyterian church.
60 people, hardly a huge protest. my guess is he'll be only one of thousands out to protest the visit on all sorts of grounds.
 

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60 people from his church, that doesn't include the stragglers.
Imagine all the bigots who have a last chance to see Paisley speak his bile infront of the Pope again.
It's not just a Protestant Ulster for Protestant people, he's now speaking on behalf of the English Welsh and Scots who I'm quite sure will find really strange, especially as they are living in the modern age in a multi-cultural secular country and most never even think of labelling it a certain religion.

I bet British Citizen is buying his Ryan Air ticket as we speak, pity they didn't leave this dump a month earlier.
 
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Although, as far as I'm concerned, the pope can can take a long walk off a short pier, saying that his visit will be some sort of catastrophe is an over reaction in the extreme. if these people really want to protest his visit, they chould do what they do every Thursday and completely ignore it. The papal events will all be a disaster of a non event anyway

If/when those events fail, that'll mean Ireland will never recieve another visit, there are more catholics in the UK afterall.
 

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I've no problem with people disliking the Pope, but Paisleys ramblings about their history being destroyed over night and the UK being a Protestant country is extremism, or at the very least some sort of Loyalist medieval craziness.

There's lots of legitimate concerns you could highlight about the Catholic church, infact I could go on all night but this nonsense is just dillusional rambling and not actually attached to these concerns.

If it was crazy to say "Northern Ireland is a Protestant country for Protestant people" in a different era, then surely saying Scotland, England an Wales is one today is even more crazy?
 
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Legally speaking, he's entirely correct. The established church in England and Wales is the Protestant Church of England, the established church in Scotland is the Protestant Church of Scotland.

Furthermore, the Act of Settlement prohibits anyone who is not of the Protestant faith from becoming monarch and titular head of the Church of England.

Although I doubt that's what's motivating Paisley...
 

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The language sounds so dated and redundant in 2010 it's not true. It feels decades out of time.

My description of the UK would be as a post-religious society. Not sure how different that is to "secular" - perhaps it's a complimentary term? Post-religious and secular. "Post religious" also fillets Dr. Paisley's rather laughable description of it as "Protestant", which is patent nonsense except for in an archaic and formal (constitutional) sense that nobody there really gives a toss about.
 

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Legally speaking, he's entirely correct. The established church in England and Wales is the Protestant Church of England, the established church in Scotland is the Protestant Church of Scotland.

Furthermore, the Act of Settlement prohibits anyone who is not of the Protestant faith from becoming monarch and titular head of the Church of England.

Although I doubt that's what's motivating Paisley...
And effectively Prime Minister too, Blair had to wait until he left office to convert to Catholicism, Disraeli converted to Anglicanism before he could become PM. They don't like to advertise it because it raises questions about how much of a democracy they are but without a rule change that hasn't happened yet a Catholic cannot become PM of the UK.

So in that sense, what Paisley said had an element of truth.
 

st333ve

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Legally speaking, he's entirely correct. The established church in England and Wales is the Protestant Church of England, the established church in Scotland is the Protestant Church of Scotland.

Furthermore, the Act of Settlement prohibits anyone who is not of the Protestant faith from becoming monarch and titular head of the Church of England.

Although I doubt that's what's motivating Paisley...
Legally?

The British establishment describes its country as secular.
The people of Britain are very secular.

Paisley like many Loyalists, are a world apart from Britain and it's people.
The massive amounts of British flags will not make up for this.

BBC NEWS | Programmes | wtwtgod | UK among most secular nations

Paisley is totalitarian leaning like many Unionists, they describe a country based on the power of its elite, what Queen is the Priminister etc.
They totally over look the actual people there who are of various other religions.
What the elite want is over and above what the people want or think, Therefore they are ignored and the country is described as 'Protestant'.

There's more Muslims in England than there is Protestants in 'Ulster'.
There are millions of Catholics in Britain too.

Paisley's rant is like saying saying Britain is a white country because the majority are.
 
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Shock and horror reknowed Anti-Catholic (Church not people) is protesting at the visitation of the head of the Church
 

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Outside of pockets in occupied Wales, Scotland and of course the six counties the "UK" is a secular country. There are more commited members of the RCC in England than of the Church of England.
 

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For someone who claims to hate the catholic church you're regularly getting your Y-fronts in a twist at any Pope bashing on here.

Do you want to tel the truth St333ve?

Are you really a one-day-a-week bead rattler??
 

st333ve

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Where have I stuck up for the Pope or opposed Pope bashing?
Where have I said anything positive about the Catholic Church?

Please back up what you say.

You seem to believe that peoples views on the civil population are the same as an opinion of the Pope.

Paisley saying Britain is a Protestant country is something which a lot of people in Britain will disagree with.
He's not bashiong the Pope here he is making a supremacist statement about the people who he believes is the same faith as himself.

Every citizen is equal, the people living there are all deemed the same in the eyes of the law irrespective of what religion they are.
It is a secular country.

Paisley claiming a visit from the Pope will destroy their history over night is also not Pope bashing, it is an extremist lie which could never possibly be true.

If you cant understand why someone would have a problem with his rants then thats your prooblem.
 

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Ian paisley is as representative of Britain as Jim corr is of Ireland, they both should receive the same amount of attention.
 

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I was reading that 78% of the UK are Chrisitians and Im not sure what percentage are Catholic. However I would imagine the vast majority of these are non practicing?
 

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I was reading that 78% of the UK are Chrisitians and Im not sure what percentage are Catholic. However I would imagine the vast majority of these are non practicing?
The Church of England is a bit of a fluffly biscuit itself....Many know believing parents will get their kids Baptisied as a "Nice ceremony" marking a "rite of passage" without actually believing in Baptism as a Sacrament...Im surprised that it is as high as 78 per cent.
 

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Sorry fluffy....I misunderstood what you were saying....

A lot of people in England would identifiy as "Christian" without believing in the Incarnation and Holy Trinity so the fact that they arent practising is so big deal...Its more a "Nationalistic" identifiication.
 

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Yes, legally.

As in the law says that the Church of England is the official, established church of England and Wales.

The Church of Scotland is the official, established church of Scotland.

The British establishment describes its country as secular.
They can describe it in whatever way they like.

The fact is that there are established, official churches in Britain and the head of state must, by law, be a member of the Protestant faith and is also titular head of the Church of England.

The people of Britain are very secular.
Although, according to figures quoted on this thread, 78% describe themselves as Christian.

Paisley like many Loyalists, are a world apart from Britain and it's people.

The massive amounts of British flags will not make up for this.

BBC NEWS | Programmes | wtwtgod | UK among most secular nations

Paisley is totalitarian leaning like many Unionists, they describe a country based on the power of its elite, what Queen is the Priminister etc.
They totally over look the actual people there who are of various other religions.
What the elite want is over and above what the people want or think, Therefore they are ignored and the country is described as 'Protestant'.

There's more Muslims in England than there is Protestants in 'Ulster'.
There are millions of Catholics in Britain too.

Paisley's rant is like saying saying Britain is a white country because the majority are.
Paisley is a gob************************e - I'm not agreeing with him, just pointing out that his description of Britain as a Protestant country is, legally-speaking at least, correct.
 

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St333ve. Why you getting all pissy over what ONE man said?

I guess Paisley can still get to you after all these years.

Overreaction from Paisley, overeaction from you as well.
 
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