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Ideologies Ireland could import


FloatingVoterTralee

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Perhaps a poll could be run on this - political ideologies that are currently unrepresented in the Dáil, but could aid in reform. You could have libertarianism (Tea Party), right-wing nationalism (Front National, PVV), classical/social liberalism (FDP, Lib Dems), conservatism (UMP, Christian Democrats), euroscepticism (UKIP) or left-wing environmentalism (GroenLinks, RedGreen Movement - Iceland).
 


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Perhaps a poll could be run on this - political ideologies that are currently unrepresented in the Dáil, but could aid in reform. You could have libertarianism (Tea Party), right-wing nationalism (Front National, PVV), classical/social liberalism (FDP, Lib Dems), conservatism (UMP, Christian Democrats), euroscepticism (UKIP) or left-wing environmentalism (GroenLinks, RedGreen Movement - Iceland).

FF is a member of the ELDR party (i.e. The European Liberal Democrat Party) as also are the FDP and the Lib Dems.

FG is a member of the EPP (i.e. the European People's Party/Christian Democrats) as also are most Christian Democratic parties and the UMP.

SF sit and vote together with the Nordic Green Left-ies in the GUE/NGL parliamentary group in the European Parliament. The Icelandic RedGreen's are part of the Nordic Green Left-ies (in an non-EU context). The (Dutch?) GroenLinks are part of the European Green Alliance, as also are the (Irish) Green Party.

So far, we half the ideologies covered more or less. Most of the rest are unlikely to go down well with the electorate.
 

redger

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How about a government "telling the truth", or is that an alien ideology too far?
 

cry freedom

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How about a government "telling the truth", or is that an alien ideology too far?
I'd vote for that in the morning.
 

TODevastated

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FF is a member of the ELDR party (i.e. The European Liberal Democrat Party) as also are the FDP and the Lib Dems.

FG is a member of the EPP (i.e. the European People's Party/Christian Democrats) as also are most Christian Democratic parties and the UMP.

SF sit and vote together with the Nordic Green Left-ies in the GUE/NGL parliamentary group in the European Parliament. The Icelandic RedGreen's are part of the Nordic Green Left-ies (in an non-EU context). The (Dutch?) GroenLinks are part of the European Green Alliance, as also are the (Irish) Green Party.

So far, we half the ideologies covered more or less. Most of the rest are unlikely to go down well with the electorate.
most of the ideologies covered??

you must be kidding

FF have one ideology power, FG the same (only they can't get it) Labour champagne socialists does not count as an ideology either
 

LeDroit

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Libertarianism is badly needed and had it been around the cabinet table two years ago we wouldn't have seen the Anglo bail out.
 

ManOfReason

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We need a good dose of libertarianism in our social conscience. In politics, religion, the media, business and even down the pub - the individual is always in second place to the group. I'm not talking about tea-party libertarianism (you have to crawl before you can walk), I'm just saying we need to balance the rights of the individual aginst the power of pressure groups.
 

LeDroit

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We need a good dose of libertarianism in our social conscience. In politics, religion, the media, business and even down the pub - the individual is always in second place to the group. I'm not talking about tea-party libertarianism (you have to crawl before you can walk), I'm just saying we need to balance the rights of the individual aginst the power of pressure groups.
+1

When your current govt is passing Blasphemy and Co-habitation Laws (Forced Marriage), there's something not quite right in the balance of the State vs. The Individual.
 

Fr. Hank Tree

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Considering that our current crisis stems from the last ideology we imported, i think we should be a little wary of bringing in the latest fads just for the sake of it. I know this will be hard for some on this site who possess worrying amounts of self-loathing, but that's the way it goes.
 

merle haggard

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a lot of bollix .

Right now our economic sovereignty - and thereby our nation - is under attack by speculators after having been hollowed out from within by national economic treason . We dont need to import ideologies , those of Pearse , Connolly and Fintan Lawlor are specifically designed and tailored to protect the people . A bit of Bolivarianism wouldnt hurt either though .
Those pencil necked nimrods and weirdoes who adhere to this no such thing as we individual libertarianism stuff should be a true individual and go somehwere else and be an individual as much as they like as they obviously have no loyalty to anything or anyone only themselves and the other rich people wholl stick together as individuals and declare feck everyone else . Go build some Maggie Thatcher theme park on a rock somewhere and bloody live there . It was the hidden hand of your free feckin market got us into this disater and will only get us deeper into it .
 

Fr. Hank Tree

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a lot of bollix .

Right now our economic sovereignty - and thereby our nation - is under attack by speculators after having been hollowed out from within by national economic treason . We dont need to import ideologies , those of Pearse , Connolly and Fintan Lawlor are specifically designed and tailored to protect the people . A bit of Bolivarianism wouldnt hurt either though .
Those pencil necked nimrods and weirdoes who adhere to this no such thing as we individual libertarianism stuff should be a true individual and go somehwere else and be an individual as much as they like as they obviously have no loyalty to anything or anyone only themselves and the other rich people wholl stick together as individuals and declare feck everyone else . Go build some Maggie Thatcher theme park on a rock somewhere and bloody live there . It was the hidden hand of your free feckin market got us into this disater and will only get us deeper into it .
And neoliberalism/libertarianism aren't really pro-individual anyway, as any thinking person can see.
 

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Why not Zetecism? Zetetic: Introduction to Zetetics and Zeteticism - Zetetica Discussion Community

The term 'Zetetic' is formally defined as "one who proceeds by inquiry; a seeker." In modern usage, the term 'inquiry' is understood as 'critical inquiry,' and the zetetic is therefore best considered a 'skeptical seeker.'

Zeteticism, then, is the principle and practice of being a zetetic, a skeptical seeker. In plainer terms, it is an open-minded yet realistic approach to matters of truth, philosophy, and religion. It is based in critical thinking.

In that Zeteticism is a skeptical worldview, it is generally humanistic in its approach. This is to say that since traditional mythologies and ideas are examined critically, the zetetic worldview tends toward secular humanism.

Zeteticism is not dogmatic, nor does it eschew concepts such as spirituality and numinous experience. It is generally open-minded toward most ideas, but it encourages discernment based on logic, reason, and critical thought.
It's never too late. petunia
 

merle haggard

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And neoliberalism/libertarianism aren't really pro-individual anyway, as any thinking person can see.
its just pro rich people that dont want to pay any tax or have any responsibility towards their fellow man . Its just pro some individuals , social darwinianism . Very shady stuff that will only lead to some very dark corners . Its most certainly not the answer to our current disaster . Obviously the individual under this theory has the perfect right to financially speculate on Irish credit and bonds and the like and make a killing even if it kills us . As an individual his responsibility is purely to himself and not to the wlefare of his fellow man . Personally i think its obscene .
 

anons

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Libertarianism is badly needed and had it been around the cabinet table two years ago we wouldn't have seen the Anglo bail out.
Libertarian policies would savage the most vulnerable in today's society and to call for them is irresponsible.

It's a failed ideology.
 

splashy

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It seems that a great deal of our history as a nation and a people has been spent repudiating foreign ideologies. I believe if we put the effort into encouraging the study of past Irish political thought and funding further development (something like the Frankfurt School perhaps) we could find an ideology which would fit us better than any tailored continental garb.


As to libertarianism, the following Tennyson quote comes to mind: "Freedom, free to slay herself, and dying while they shout her name."
 

LeDroit

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Libertarian policies would savage the most vulnerable in today's society and to call for them is irresponsible.

It's a failed ideology.
A failed ideology? Where has it ever been tried?

The only ideology that has failed everywhere it's been tried is Communism/Marxism. Even with the current difficulties that Capitalism faces, it is still the preferred method of global economic governance.
 

ManOfReason

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Libertarian policies would savage the most vulnerable in today's society and to call for them is irresponsible.

It's a failed ideology.
My experience is that the people who rabbit on about 'the most vulnerable' in society are really only interested in protecting special interests favoured by the government - namely civil servants, 'businesses' who get all their 'work' via their FF connections, RTE and quangos. The real vulnerable in society get €210 a week to keep them placid whether the economy is in a tiger economy or in our current impending bankruptcy.
 

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