If Gardai are allowed to strike as in some EU countries, will the Garda Siochana be reorganised into several organisations as in those countries?

patslatt

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If Gardai are allowed to strike as in some EU countries, will the Garda Siochana be reorganised into several organisations as in those countries?

In the present gardai strike days and industrial actions, the government is not threatening or resorting to the summary dismissals of the 1940s strike which could be imposed along with jail terms under Irish law. Given that the security of the state is being exploited for collective bargaining, the government can't pretend that it's business as usual even if the strikes are resolved quickly.

EU countries that permit police strikes have police forces organised into local, regional and national forces, each with separate trade union representation apparently. In the USA, Canada and the UK, there are the FBI, state police and big city police; the federal mounties, the provincial police and the big city police; and Scotland Yard and UK Constabularies. These structures protect the state security of those countries as policing cover can be provided by some of the forces when others forces strike.However, police strikes are extremely rare going by the lack of news about such strikes.

An interesting question is how the efficiency of Irish policing, or lack of it,would be affected by a break up in reorganisation. The centralised single organisation of the Garda Siochana may suffer from the usual problems of over centralisation where communications up and down the chain of command require too many bureaucrats and hobble local decision making. Also, the lack of a competing police force prevents benchmarking for good national practices. In the development of information technology which is critical for policing, benchmarking could have improved systems.

Small police forces can be highly efficient. I read that the notorious German Gestapo which terrorised the occupied territories of Europe in WW2 had only 6,000 police spread all across Europe for the task of suppressing resistance fighters. In comparison, with modern technology an organisation of a few thousand police should easily manage Ireland's national policing for functions like counterterrorism, contraband smuggling and highly specialised police units such as organised crime detectives. Local police organisations could be organised around the top dozen cities and adjacent rural areas. If say 80 percent of the gardai or close to 10,000 of them were local, that would be an average of over 800 gardai per local organisation, maybe within a range of 500 to 1100 which should be big enough.

Given their very different tasks,the education and training of the national police would be different from the local police. However, to ensure cooperation between police forces, the national police should spend some time learning the basics of local policing, while some limited promotions from local to national police should be permitted.It would also be important to recruit highly qualified university graduates.

To prevent strikes that threaten the security of the state,trade unions should be legally barred from organising more than a certain percentage of the force,say a fifth, and from organising across the country.No two police unions should be allowed to strike simultaneously.
 
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Polly Ticks

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If the Gardai go on strike, will some court cases just be dismissed?














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You actually had me agreeing with you right up until you used the gestapo as an example. What the Fück is wrong with you?


There are plenty of modern day examples that would have sufficed.
 

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You actually had me agreeing with you right up until you used the gestapo as an example. What the Fück is wrong with you?


There are plenty of modern day examples that would have sufficed.

You have to ask...?
 

patslatt

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You actually had me agreeing with you right up until you used the gestapo as an example. What the Fück is wrong with you?


There are plenty of modern day examples that would have sufficed.
I did say the Gestapo were notorious. WTF is wrong with your eyesight?

Let's have your modern day examples. Since I'm not an expert on policing, I can't name any but I'm sure they exist.
 

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I see two advantages in reorganising the Gardai into a purely civilian police force, the commissioner could report to the police authority rather than directly to the minister without worrying about who was on the authority and there would be one less objection to bringing in an outsider to reorganise the top level. It would be necessary to set up a security organisation to deal with domestic or foreign threats which I think should be headed by an ex military rather than ex police individual and who would report to govt, preferably to the Taoiseach.
 

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I see two advantages in reorganising the Gardai into a purely civilian police force, the commissioner could report to the police authority rather than directly to the minister without worrying about who was on the authority and there would be one less objection to bringing in an outsider to reorganise the top level. It would be necessary to set up a security organisation to deal with domestic or foreign threats which I think should be headed by an ex military rather than ex police individual and who would report to govt, preferably to the Taoiseach.
THe commissioners in the biggest city police forces could report to mayors of councils who would have the right to appoint commissioners. That would bring direct accountability at the local level. Pay and working benefits could be negotiated at council level and paid partly or fully from council taxes.
 


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