If Gardai do industrial actions as suggesed by GRA, could major rioting start in socially deprived areas?

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If Gardai do industrial actions as suggesed by GRA, could major rioting start in socially deprived areas?

In the event the gardai pursued industrial action as suggested by the GRA and behaved passively in their daily policing of the streets,could rioting break out in socially deprived areas? Could rioting spread to looting of shops?

Some years ago in central Dublin, Republican Sinn Fein staged protests against Orange Order members who had planned a parade. Among young lawless elements and criminals in the inner city high crime areas, word spread rapidly on mobile phones and social media about the opportunities for rioting on O'Connell Street. Soon gardai on duty there were faced with a large mob of rioters who availed of large piles of construction rubbish from road works to pelt the gardai on duty with rocks and debris. Had the gardai panicked and retreated, many of the shops and businesses in the area could have been looted or burned out.

This sudden eruption of violence should be a warning that law enforcement can't be taken for granted in socially deprived areas. Looking at international experience, massive riots have occured in the USA, France and the UK in response to alleged shootings by police.

Given these risks to law enforcement, the government should not even tolerate talk of industrial action. If gardai are allowed to exploit their law enforcement duties for industrial bargaining, that would give them a bargaining power to loot society with giant pay and pensions claims.

A possible solution to the dissatisfaction over pay among young gardai recruited on lower pay and pension rights after the economic crash could be a reversal of the trade union deal on their pay. A pay freeze for a number of years could be imposed on the well paid and pensioned established garda workforce to make room in the budget for improvements in pay of those young gardai.The same reversals could be applied in pay of nurses, teachers and others.
 
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There'll be no noticeable increase in false imprisonment, as Gardai are powerless to prevent that, anyway.
 

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A Syrian style civil war could occur. I don't trust those Sunni's.
 

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Even by patslatt standards this thread is starting with the Crazy dialled up to 12 :lol:
 

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So, if Gardaí striking is illegal, is a striking Garda obliged to arrest himself?

When the law keepers break the law, there is no law.

Well done Inda.
 

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The social contract has in large part broken down.

The mass, countrywide, non payment of water charges would have been unthinkable ten years ago.


There always was an element of society who felt betrayed and outside of the arrangements by which we govern ourselves.

With crooked Fianna Fáil driving the economy over a cliff, and nepotistic Fine Gael cutting the cords on our parachute, that malaise has, predictably, spread to parts of the middle class, and expanded greatly among the working class.

Why play by the rules when the rules seem designed to fùck you over?

We also have a pretty corrupt, and completely incompetent police force who have the respect of very few citizens at this point in time.

They may not be picking the best time in their history to go on strike.
 

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The social contract has in large part broken down.

The mass, countrywide, non payment of water charges would have been unthinkable ten years ago.


There always was an element of society who felt betrayed and outside of the arrangements by which we govern ourselves.

With crooked Fianna Fáil driving the economy over a cliff, and nepotistic Fine Gael cutting the cords on our parachute, that malaise has, predictably, spread to parts of the middle class, and expanded greatly among the working class.

Why play by the rules when the rules seem designed to fùck you over?

We also have a pretty corrupt, and completely incompetent police force who have the respect of very few citizens at this point in time.

They may not be picking the best time in their history to go on strike.
We need a new party to save us all. Any ideas?
 

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In the event the gardai pursued industrial action as suggested by the GRA and behaved passively in their daily policing of the streets,could rioting break out in socially deprived areas? Could rioting spread to looting of shops?

Some years ago in central Dublin, Republican Sinn Fein staged protests against Orange Order members who had planned a parade. Among young lawless elements and criminals in the inner city high crime areas, word spread rapidly on mobile phones and social media about the opportunities for rioting on O'Connell Street. Soon gardai on duty there were faced with a large mob of rioters who availed of large piles of construction rubbish from road works to pelt the gardai on duty with rocks and debris. Had the gardai panicked and retreated, many of the shops and businesses in the area could have been looted or burned out.

This sudden eruption of violence should be a warning that law enforcement can't be taken for granted in socially deprived area. Looking at international experience, massive riots have occured in the USA, France and the UK in response to alleged shootings by police.

Given these risks to law enforcement, the government should not even tolerate talk of industrial action. If gardai are allowed to exploit their law enforcement duties for industrial bargaining, that would give them a bargaining power to loot society with giant pay and pensions claims.
This is kinda the reason that civil and security forces (Police, Army, Paramedics, Firemen) should not be allowed strike.
 

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Ah, I still have my undeground bunker, iodine tablets and tinned goods from the Blue Flue epidemic in '98.

Gots me some C4 too....for huntin' squirrels 'n such.
 

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Ah, I still have my undeground bunker, iodine tablets and tinned goods from the Blue Flue epidemic in '98.

Gots me some C4 too....for huntin' squirrels 'n such.
how can you hunt squirrels with channel 4
 

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In the event the gardai pursued industrial action as suggested by the GRA and behaved passively in their daily policing of the streets,could rioting break out in socially deprived areas? Could rioting spread to looting of shops?

Some years ago in central Dublin, Republican Sinn Fein staged protests against Orange Order members who had planned a parade. Among young lawless elements and criminals in the inner city high crime areas, word spread rapidly on mobile phones and social media about the opportunities for rioting on O'Connell Street. Soon gardai on duty there were faced with a large mob of rioters who availed of large piles of construction rubbish from road works to pelt the gardai on duty with rocks and debris. Had the gardai panicked and retreated, many of the shops and businesses in the area could have been looted or burned out.

This sudden eruption of violence should be a warning that law enforcement can't be taken for granted in socially deprived area. Looking at international experience, massive riots have occured in the USA, France and the UK in response to alleged shootings by police.

Given these risks to law enforcement, the government should not even tolerate talk of industrial action. If gardai are allowed to exploit their law enforcement duties for industrial bargaining, that would give them a bargaining power to loot society with giant pay and pensions claims.
The white collar criminals cost the Nation a site more than the "deprived" area criminals. The country is run by the former and at times in collusion with the latter. Take the FFG blinkers off.
 

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Some kind of work to rule is the most likely outcome

But TBH and IMO the underpayment of junior Gardaí is an absolute disgrace

The Police Force of any State is the frontline in the battle against criminality

- they should be given all the help and support they need

- a decent salary should not be a matter to have to go on strike over
 

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We need a new party to save us all. Any ideas?
We do , but what we really need is a new reformed and effective police force , this could be the opportunity to disband this discredited outfit and re recruit on a new contract and completely retrain like the PSNI
 


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