If Gaza is wrong, so is Aleppo ... but Where is the Outrage?

Socratus O' Pericles

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Of course not. ISIS can be dispatched by the Syria and Russian armies once they're not having to contend with the West's proxy terrorists.
Why do you favour Russian involvement over Western involvement?
 


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The Syrian people don't want their country balkanised. They need the West to stop arming the terrorists and wind the conflict down.

Then the people of Aleppo can be saved, and Syria can begin to heal. The war is only unwinnable and more death is guaranteed if the US and its allies continue with their regime change attempt. They need to stop it. It has left 400,000 dead and a country ruined.

The regime change attempt has to end. That solves everything..
When then have the Kurds basically declared an independent autonomous region called Rojava?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rojava

Again, you have no special expertise know what Syrians want ... let them hold a constitutional convention, then.

Only stop the war, get around a conference table with a realistic agenda.
 

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Yes it should. The terrorists in Aleppo should be crushed because they do not represent the Syrian people. They have been helped with training, arms and funding from the Gulf States and Western States as part of a deliberate regime change strategy. You may remember Hamas won a free election in 2006.
Which ones?
 

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Yes it should. The terrorists in Aleppo should be crushed because they do not represent the Syrian people. They have been helped with training, arms and funding from the Gulf States and Western States as part of a deliberate regime change strategy. You may remember Hamas won a free election in 2006.
So both Gaza and Aleppo are fair game.

Interesting, at least we know where you stand.

Civilians are fair game to be slaughtered, no matter where, even without military necessity in an unwinnable war.

That even justifies the Rwanda genocide.
 

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Sorry, I reject any pretence that you somehow have insider knowledge of the state of hwat Syrians think.

If Assad was so popular, there would have been no revolt against him. He was always a torturer, autocrat and plunderer like his father, and pulled down the house on his own head.
Only partially true. He also had popular support. Here is a video of pro-Assad rally in Damascus in 2011:
[video=youtube;bsDP8S3ry1A]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bsDP8S3ry1A[/video]
 

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Staffan di Mistura, the UN representative says it is "another Srebenica, another Rwanda", incessant bombardment by Russian and Syrian planes of a city full of people is killing civilians, women and children for the reason that there are "terrorists" among them.

Excuse me? Isn't that the justification Israel gives for its bombardments of Gaza which (rightly) provoke anger and condemnation?

In Aleppo, bunker-busting bombs are being dropped on civilian targets, including hospitals, deliberately to destroy any infrastructure that might offer come comfort and relief. Last month a relief convoy for Aleppo was bombed from the air.

Where is the anger and condemnation of Syria and Russia? Even if Aleppo is captured it will be a battered ruin, and 30% of the country will still be in rebel hands, territory the Assad regime will not be able to re-capture without major slaughter. The suspicion here is that the intent is genocidal and punitive, not a case of military necessity.

But where is the Irish voice of outrage? Is the country not ready to send a message to Russia and Syria that bombing of civilians must stop?

Yes, I know both Russia and the Assad regime have their supporters, but surely this targeting of Aleppo goes beyond what is appropriate action to bring peace to Syria?


The Irish Anti-War Movement have called a protest meeting on October 19th at 5:30pm outside Dail Eireann.

No outrage because, by and large, the left support the Russian massacres of the Syrian population
They label them as 'terrorists' and thus legitimate targets for Russian air attack
And the left control the media
 

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So both Gaza and Aleppo are fair game.

Interesting, at least we know where you stand.

Civilians are fair game to be slaughtered, even without military necessity in an unwinnable war.
I said the exact opposite and you know it. The Jihadi terrorists in Aleppo are mostly foreign backed proxies. The Israel/Palestine conflict is totally different, not comparable and what should apply in one case should not necessarily apply in the other.

Nowhere have I ever said that civilians are fair game.
 
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Christians bombed in Aleppo. Western media won't report it. Why?


Edward Dark ‏@edwardedark 3h3 hours ago

2nd day in a row, rebel shelling targets Franciscan mission & school(background in pic) in Muhafaza, west Aleppo. 1 dead, 11 injured #Syria

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If the Russians supported the Israelis , the left would suppose Israel. It is just a logical extension of the left's anti Americanism to back Palestinians .
 

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The Syrian people don't want their country balkanised. They need the West to stop arming the terrorists and wind the conflict down.

Then the people of Aleppo can be saved, and Syria can begin to heal. The war is only unwinnable and more death is guaranteed because
the US and its allies continue with their regime change attempt.
They need to stop it. It has left 400,000 dead and a country ruined.

The regime change attempt has to end. That solves everything..
Sure.

Hillary?s Top Advisor Arch Foe of Israel | Dov Ivry | The Blogs | The Times of Israel

Maureen Callahan: “It’s the top-secret mission that never was: the US plan to oust Syrian dictator Bashar al-Assad in 2012.

“A former CIA agent named Douglas Laux reveals the Obama administration’s paralysis — and that of our European allies — in his heavily redacted new memoir, ‘Left of Boom.’

“After meeting with members of the Syrian rebellion, Laux was summoned back to DC, where he briefed his superiors in June 2012.

“‘It became clear right away that everyone involved in the Syrian issue, from the White House on down, regarded it as a political hot potato,’ Laux writes. ‘They wanted to aid the Syrian rebels, but were wary of being drawn into a war that could spread throughout the region and make them look bad politically.’

“Still, Laux says he spent two months drawing up plans and traveling to European capitals, attempting to sway US allies into taking action. Like the rest of the book, names, dates, even whole conversations are blacked out — the result of CIA vetting before publication.

“‘It quickly became clear,’ he writes, ‘that (our allies) wanted to support the program but expected us to do everything.’

“On Aug. 10, 2012, then-secretary of state Hillary Clinton travelled to Turkey and publicly announced that the US was seriously considering a no-fly zone over Syria.

“Laux was stunned — the CIA had given him no heads-up, and he had no idea if they even knew about this announcement. He immediately met with Syrian rebel leaders who, he writes, ‘were elated by Clinton’s statement.’

“Once suspicious of US motives in the region, they now ‘happily shared everything with me — the state of their forces, where they were deployed, the names of important leaders, etc. It yielded an intel bonanza.’

“A week went by with no US air power over Syria. Two weeks, and the rebels were angry and suspicious, despite President Obama’s public statement that the use of chemical weapons in Syria would be ‘a red line,’ resulting in likely military force.

“After three weeks, the rebels felt so betrayed that they stopped meeting entirely with Laux, who realized Clinton’s statement had been a bluff — a clumsy attempt to flush Assad out diplomatically.


“‘What (the consideration a no-fly zone over Syria) accomplished was to flush the slim credibility we had in Syria down the drain,’ wrote Laux.”

A president who is corrupt, incompetent, inexperienced, and in apparent bad health would not be any worse news for Israel than for anyone else except for one other factor. It turns out from her e-mail releases that Hillary takes her marching orders from someone, George Soros. This guy despises Israel and if he is going to be doing this when she is president, I think that Israel needs to seriously consider joining the Russia-China alliance.
 

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Whereas the Shia jihadists of Hezbollah and the various Iraqi sectarian militias currently leading the pro-Assad assault on Aleppo are less of a concern for you, presumably.
Yes I think they represent the lesser of two evils, and present a better chance, with the Russians and Assad, of securing a stable secular Syria. I know you think different and we are probably not going to agree on it so little point in arguing about it.
 

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It appears al Assad is an all round good egg? Is that it?
 


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