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If there was no GAA

General Urko

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Undoubtedly, The GAA has added immensely to Irish life and we would have a much less colourful country without it.
What would be the other implications of not having these unique and highly democratic institution?

Maybe -

  • A professional soccer league
  • An even better rugby team
  • Some impact being made in other world sports more so than currently - basketball, cricket, tennis, athletics, hockey
  • More Olympic medals
  • No Gaelic football
  • Unfortunately, hurling would have a profile at the level of shinty in Scotland
  • Less meeting places/networking possibilities for the Diaspora
  • A few more clowns going into politics instead of becoming a local club administrator
  • More rural isolation
  • Redkneck faction fighting in towns and villages at a dangerous level because there would be no rules
  • One less integration vehicle to assist the New Irish assimilate into life here, The GAA has been hugely impactful in doing this!
 


General Urko

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Actually this really should be in The History Forum, for greater exposure! Please, Please Move!
 

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And less heartbreak for Galway hurling!
 

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Diddlie eye ************************e. There is no evidence that any sport has lost players to gaelic games.

If the state didn't aggressively support the GAA back in the day they would as you say be at shinty level and the status quo of cricket in rural Ireland and football and rugby in the towns would have continued. Most people who play sport play the established sports, not the artificially introduced gaelic versions

As for your ludicrous last point the gaa is way behind the rest on integration
 

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Diddlie eye ************************e. There is no evidence that any sport has lost players to gaelic games.

If the state didn't aggressively support the GAA back in the day they would as you say be at shinty level and the status quo of cricket in rural Ireland and football and rugby in the towns would have continued. Most people who play sport play the established sports, not the artificially introduced gaelic versions

As for your ludicrous last point the gaa is way behind the rest on integration
In fairness, it is not! They have a very active policy of showing the native games to parents of young people and cannot do enough to bring the New Irish on, that is my clear understanding at any rate and I'm not a member!
 

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Then hundreds of fellas would fly across to the UK each weekend in too tight polyester shirts to watch English football.
 

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Diddlie eye ************************e. There is no evidence that any sport has lost players to gaelic games.

If the state didn't aggressively support the GAA back in the day they would as you say be at shinty level and the status quo of cricket in rural Ireland and football and rugby in the towns would have continued. Most people who play sport play the established sports, not the artificially introduced gaelic versions

As for your ludicrous last point the gaa is way behind the rest on integration
Go away you eejit, 40 years from the foundation of the GAA, only 16 clubs owned their own ground. Right up to the 1920s, even the Catholic Church was against it, having nearly destroyed it in the 1890s.

The land commission granted some land to all sports land. The GAA got no particular advantage.

The Government gave nearly 200 million to redevelop Landsdowne road. It gave 50 million to the GAA to redevelop CP.

Rugby had no interest in developing outside of the fee paying schools until professionalism. Even today, most pro players attended fee paying schools.

Soccer never pushed to developed in rural Ireland, where most of the population lived until the 60s. They still don't have their own stadium and have little to show for their so called popularity. Corrupt to the core are the FAI taking 5 million from FIFA to shut up. Most of FIFA has been suspended pending investigation.

Don't blame the GAA for other sports lack of business acumen. Maybe you should take a leaf out of the GAA book and fit an new President every 3 years.

Perhaps that's why soccer is at Shinty level and always will he.
 

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And less heartbreak for Galway hurling!
When the substitutions occurred at half time & then Bubbles came on I thought oh dear.

Still 2 great games this weekend. Great advert for the game & our games.
 

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Go away you eejit, 40 years from the foundation of the GAA, only 16 clubs owned their own ground. Right up to the 1920s, even the Catholic Church was against it, having nearly destroyed it in the 1890s.

The land commission granted some land to all sports land. The GAA got no particular advantage.

The Government gave nearly 200 million to redevelop Landsdowne road. It gave 50 million to the GAA to redevelop CP.

Rugby had no interest in developing outside of the fee paying schools until professionalism. Even today, most pro players attended fee paying schools.

Soccer never pushed to developed in rural Ireland, where most of the population lived until the 60s. They still don't have their own stadium and have little to show for their so called popularity.
Don't blame the GAA for other sports lack of business acumen. Maybe you should take a leaf out of the GAA book and fit an new President every 3 years.

Perhaps that's why soccer is at Shinty level and always will he.
Well soccer has made great strides in rural areas now, apparently it rivals hurling in Athenry and that's something! So it's certainly absolutely not at shinty levels, though it would have higher attendances at LOI games many moons ago!
Also Keano and ROG, both from the People's Republic, said that at underage levels our national teams in both soccer and rugby had a distinct Dublin bias in selection!
 

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Undoubtedly, The GAA has added immensely to Irish life and we would have a much less colourful country without it.
What would be the other implications of not having these unique and highly democratic institution?

Maybe -

  • A professional soccer league
  • An even better rugby team
  • Some impact being made in other world sports more so than currently - basketball, cricket, tennis, athletics, hockey
  • More Olympic medals
  • No Gaelic football
  • Unfortunately, hurling would have a profile at the level of shinty in Scotland
  • Less meeting places/networking possibilities for the Diaspora
  • A few more clowns going into politics instead of becoming a local club administrator
  • More rural isolation
  • Redkneck faction fighting in towns and villages at a dangerous level because there would be no rules
  • One less integration vehicle to assist the New Irish assimilate into life here, The GAA has been hugely impactful in doing this!
No GAA would make an awful lot of NI Unionists very happy, as they view the GAA as the Nationalist sporting equivalent of the Orange Order.
 

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When the substitutions occurred at half time & then Bubbles came on I thought oh dear.

Still 2 great games this weekend. Great advert for the game & our games.
There has been talk that hurling was descending into puke football levels, though these matches were brilliant, to me it's a real pity we will probably have to put up with The Alex Ferguson of hurling for a couple of more years!
 

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No GAA would make an awful lot of NI Unionists very happy, as they view the GAA as the Nationalist sporting equivalent of the Orange Order.
There have certainly been complaints from GAA players from protestant backgrounds in Ulster that they and their families have been subjected to sectarian abuse from opposition GAA fans over the years!
 

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Well soccer has made great strides in rural areas now, apparently it rivals hurling in Athenry and that's something! So it's certainly absolutely not at shinty levels, though it would have higher attendances at LOI games many moons ago!
Also Keano and ROG, both from the People's Republic, said that at underage levels our national teams in both soccer and rugby had a distinct Dublin bias in selection!
They missed decades though when most of Ireland's pop was still primarily rural.

If there was no GAA, the guys that play would definitely be playing something, so your right, other sporting organisations are losing out.
 

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Diddlie eye ************************e. There is no evidence that any sport has lost players to gaelic games.

If the state didn't aggressively support the GAA back in the day they would as you say be at shinty level and the status quo of cricket in rural Ireland and football and rugby in the towns would have continued. Most people who play sport play the established sports, not the artificially introduced gaelic versions

As for your ludicrous last point the gaa is way behind the rest on integration
If there was no GAA, lads and ladies with a sporting inclination would drift to other sports surely?
 

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They missed decades though when most of Ireland's pop was still primarily rural.

If there was no GAA, the guys that play would definitely be playing something, so your right, other sporting organisations are losing out.
But there was a ban on 'Foreign Games' imposed and ladz in rural environments would have been 'obliged' to play for their parish team in Gaelic Games!
 

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There have certainly been complaints from GAA players from protestant backgrounds in Ulster that they and their families have been subjected to sectarian abuse from opposition GAA fans over the years!
Protestants attack the GAA because it's the one organisation that kept northern nationalist in touch with the rest of the Irish population.

Funny how the most nationalist city of Derry, the GAA is not strong. Belfast is a republican city and the GAA is not strong there either.
 

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As Pat Spillane rather famously said about young people preferring to play other sports - a young person can see the difference between a premiership player escorting a beautiful blonde out of a Ferrari and an inter county GAA palyer pull a cow out of a portach!petunia
 

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But there was a ban on 'Foreign Games' imposed and ladz in rural environments would have been 'obliged' to play for their parish team in Gaelic Games!
Necessary at first and nobody was obliged as they had no other option as rugby & soccer were not available anyway.
 

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Protestants attack the GAA because it's the one organisation that kept northern nationalist in touch with the rest of the Irish population.

Funny how the most nationalist city of Derry, the GAA is not strong. Belfast is a republican city and the GAA is not strong there either.
I would be fairly sure that many protestants in predominantly CNR areas play GAA!
 

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Necessary at first and nobody was obliged as they had no other option as rugby & soccer were not available anyway.
Well in The Tea Egg Republic back in the day, if you could kick a ball at all and you refused to play for your parish team, you would be scolded for letting the parish down and in all honesty, if you did play and play well, you might get a pint from one of the locals in appreciation, but if you played badly, not only would you get abused by the locals, your whole family would as well!:rolleyes:
 

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