IMF and EU pressure on the government will turn Ireland into an Orwellian abyss.

Run_to_da_hills

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I believe with all the pressure from the EU and IMF on the Government to cough up with payments on loans, it will enevitably turn this country into an Orwellian abyss.

The authorities will be under extreme pressure to cut welfare figures, take in more revenue and cut down on fraud. In order to do this they need more transparency in all our day to day lives. Current technology just offers this transparency.

Rrecently there was talk of introducing mobile phones for welfare recipients, perhaps no harm, however a mobile phone is far more effective as a tracking device than any electronic bracelet using GSM cell site analysis.

I believe other powers under the recent criminal justice amendment bill could also be used to counter welfare and tax fraud. Such powers could allow access to records from service providers. ie text messages, e mail correspondence and logged locations. This data must be retained by service providers for up to two years under the 2006 data retention directive.

I also believe ANPR / RFID will play a large player in collecting tolls and soon gantries will be dotted right across our EU sponsored motorways. These will replace all toll booths as a more effective way of collecting revenue. Every time you pass a toll your movements will be logged on a database.

Congestion charges in cities will also be introduced to collect more revenue. This will also operate using the same tracking devices ie ANPR / RFID.

RFID based transit smart cards are beginning to make an appearance in this countrys public transport systems. The aim will be eventually have everyone issued with a registered card starting off with pensioners and those on travel passes. This will also become another tracking tool for the authorities.

I also believe that with nationalising the banks will give the state more transparency into our accounts and day to day financial dealings..
 
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Any politician that draws down any part of the EFSF loan, before the Irish people have had a say in it, is guilty of treason.

Irish Statute Book said:
WHEREAS it is provided by Article 39 of the Constitution that treason shall consist only in levying war against the State, or assisting any State or person or inciting or conspiring with any person to levy war against the State, or attempting by force of arms or other violent means to overthrow the organs of government established by the Constitution, or taking part or being concerned in or inciting or conspiring with any person to make or to take part or be concerned in any such attempt:
AND WHEREAS, in order that the said Article 39 may be fully effective, it is necessary that provision should be made by statute for the punishment of persons who commit or are accessories to the commission of treason:

1.—(1) Every person who commits treason within the State shall be liable on conviction thereof to suffer death.
http://www.irishstatutebook.ie/1939/en/act/pub/0010/sec0003.html#zza10y1939s3
 

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Actually, dystopic levels of monitoring and control require huge resources and expense. Think about it, huge numbers of people employed and huge investment in materials that contributes nothing to the economy or to human welfare. Not a smart way to save money methinks.
 

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Actually, dystopic levels of monitoring and control require huge resources and expense. Think about it, huge numbers of people employed and huge investment in materials that contributes nothing to the economy or to human welfare. Not a smart way to save money methinks.
Most of the infrastructure for surveylance and monitoring is already in place and run by private enterprise. EG mobile phone and ISPS. They are required by law to hold information for two years. In the UK authorities are able to get live access to this data if they suspect terrorism or criminal activity.
 
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The welfare idea still makes me laugh!

Anyone with a ounce of sense will simply tell the welfare people they dont have a phone, cant afford a phone and have no funds for credits.

If welfare insist on them having one they will have to provide a phone.

So we will end up with free mobile phones and credit for people on the dole!
 

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Actually, dystopic levels of monitoring and control require huge resources and expense. Think about it, huge numbers of people employed and huge investment in materials that contributes nothing to the economy or to human welfare. Not a smart way to save money methinks.
There is no Irish agency with the resources to do this sort of thing. In the UK and USA they use an automated system mostly, where certain activity is "flagged" by computer for human examination. For example, the use of certain words in telephone conversations.

This form of surveillance in the UK is carried out by GCHQ - at one time they also monitored Irish 'phone-traffic. Not sure if this is still the case.
 

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Ta ceart agat, a chara.

P.s. Conas a faigim an fada anseo?
Not too fluent in Irish, if it's the fada you want then:
ctrl+alt+whichever letter you want the fada over. All three keys must be pressed together.

E.g. ctrl+alt+a = á
 

Run_to_da_hills

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There is no Irish agency with the resources to do this sort of thing. In the UK and USA they use an automated system mostly, where certain activity is "flagged" by computer for human examination. For example, the use of certain words in telephone conversations.

This form of surveillance in the UK is carried out by GCHQ - at one time they also monitored Irish 'phone-traffic. Not sure if this is still the case.
Ireland in itself may not have these resources but certainly the EU has been working relentlessly on it. No doubt they will intervene should Ireland fall into crisis. It is in their interest that Ireland keeps its head above water.

EU surveillance website. Welcome to INDECT homepage — indect-home

What the media say. EU funding 'Orwellian' artificial intelligence plan to monitor public for "abnormal behaviour" - Telegraph
 

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Not obliged

The incoming government is under no political, moral, or legal obligation to accept this deal with the IMF/EU. Their hands are not tied and they are not in a straight jacket. Pat Rabitte is misleading people with his posturing.
The extent to which F.G/Lab would renegotiate the deal is unclear.
Neither one of them has disputed the regressive, neo-liberal philosophy underlying the proposed agreement.
 

Run_to_da_hills

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The incoming government is under no political, moral, or legal obligation to accept this deal with the IMF/EU. Their hands are not tied and they are not in a straight jacket. Pat Rabitte is misleading people with his posturing.
The extent to which F.G/Lab would renegotiate the deal is unclear.
Neither one of them has disputed the regressive, neo-liberal philosophy underlying the proposed agreement.
Sinn Fein are the only party that I would trust on abandoning this deal and throwing it back in their faces.

After all they were the only party that stuck up for Ireland during the Lisbon referendum.
 

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I believe with all the pressure from the EU and IMF on the Government to cough up with payments on loans, it will enevitably turn this country into an Orwellian abyss.
To be clear - you content that the EU and the IMF is leading us to an inevitable Orwellian abyss. The rest of your post then helpfully suggests methods to speed this up. What is the point of your post? As a shinner you probably do look forward to a dystopia of course.
 

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"How To Disappear Without a Trace" Reveals methods used by gov't to track people down-- and how to avoid them!

The Telegraph has come up with an unusual article on how to get around Government surveillance



I guess this Western / EU invoked Orwellian Hell hole is getting closer by the day and more so with the Trojan horses full of ISIS waiting at the gates of the EU and the imminent follow up of false Flag terror leading to the police state,

Today's London "Telegraph" newspaper is running an interesting feature story which explains to the average person "How to Disappear Without a Trace."

It is an in-depth guide to going on the run and escaping detection!

In the story, the newspaper outlines how technology is used to find someone; credit/Debit cards monitored in real-time; cell phones with GPS tracked in real-time, CCTV cameras, License Plate reading cameras (every 15 miles) and more.

Why the newspaper would choose to run a story like this _now_ is an interesting point to ponder, but for those of us who believe we may be on a "red list" having this information is a VERY good thing.

Read this so if the SHTF and you have to "disappear" you do it on your own terms and not on the governments!

Hunted: how to disappear without trace - Telegraph
 


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